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Insurrection was also a turd though I dunno why you're including it
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Fojar38 posted:Insurrection was also a turd though I dunno why you're including it Look I used to say 5 was the worst Trek thing ever made. It was the one I pretended didn't exist. Then they released the last one. I'd gladly watch Spock's Rocket Boots and Baku Babes from the Briarpatch ten times each rather than watch that one again. It's that much worse.
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Dec 9, 2016 22:28
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empty sea posted:I'm watching Voyager in order for the first time, instead of catching a random episode and holy poo poo, I don't know if it was the cough medicine or the wine but when I realized the aliens stole Neelix's lungs I couldn't stop laughing. I don't even know the last time I laughed that hard. The best part of this is that Neelix's missing lungs are the longest piece of continuity that Voyager has. https://youtu.be/RX1i3buWwUk
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Dec 9, 2016 22:29
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vortmax posted:Look I used to say 5 was the worst Trek thing ever made. It was the one I pretended didn't exist. Then they released the last one. I'd gladly watch Spock's Rocket Boots and Baku Babes from the Briarpatch ten times each rather than watch that one again. It's that much worse. If that's the one where kirk ask the floating head why he needs a spaceship I disagree completely.
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Dec 9, 2016 22:33
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My hot take: they were both bad films and who really cares which was technically "more bad".
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Dec 9, 2016 22:35
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vortmax posted:All that remains is Enterprise. It's been a long road...getting from The Cage to here~. Dammit
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Dec 9, 2016 22:43
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Chomp8645 posted:My hot take: they were both bad films and who really cares which was technically "more bad". I have a policy where I don't watch any of the films. It's served me well.
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Dec 9, 2016 22:48
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vortmax posted:Look I used to say 5 was the worst Trek thing ever made. It was the one I pretended didn't exist. Then they released the last one. I'd gladly watch Spock's Rocket Boots and Baku Babes from the Briarpatch ten times each rather than watch that one again. It's that much worse. Insurrection is set during the Dominion War and would have been amazing if it was actually allowed to be about the Dominion War. It's hilarious how First Contact blew its budget on a two minute long space battle with a Borg Cube, and then two years later, DS9 comes out with Sacrifice of Angels and the Battle of Chin'toka in the same season.
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Dec 9, 2016 22:51
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...and the pitch! posted:I have a policy where I don't watch any of the films. It's served me well. All of the original 6 movies have some merit (even 5 is worth watching to see how loving goofy it is). The only TNG movie that is any account is First Contact and it's more of an action movie with a thin Star Trek skin. It's probably responsible for all of the movies since being action slock.
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Dec 9, 2016 22:59
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Lowen SoDium posted:All of the original 6 movies have some merit (even 5 is worth watching to see how loving goofy it is). I think I've seen all of the originals. For some reason I wasn't in to TNG at all so the later movies held no interest at all.
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Dec 9, 2016 23:02
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...and the pitch! posted:I think I've seen all of the originals. For some reason I wasn't in to TNG at all so the later movies held no interest at all. Oh. Well, TNG is good (the first 2 seasons are... kind of weird). But as I said above, most of the TNG movies are pretty stupid.
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Dec 9, 2016 23:14
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Lowen SoDium posted:Oh. Well, TNG is good (the first 2 seasons are... kind of weird). But as I said above, most of the TNG movies are pretty stupid. I gave you absolutely the wrong impression and for that I apologize. I'll continue not watching the TNG movies.
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Dec 9, 2016 23:18
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I agree tng movies are crappy but og star trek movies are one of the greatest things yet devised by man.
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Dec 10, 2016 00:15
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2,4,6,8
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Dec 10, 2016 00:19
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I think 3 and Generations are watchable, but they're honestly pretty mediocre.
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Dec 10, 2016 00:22
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The TNG movies are well made but badly written. They try way too hard to be action movies. So do the reboots, but those aren't forcing the elderly TNG cast to do it. Generations, First Contact, Insurrection all have good scenes and you can pretend FC and Insurrection are good if you don't think too hard about some of the details. Insurrection is sort of a big-budget TNG episode. The three old movies that I think most people would describe as "definitely good," II, IV, and VI, don't have a whole lot of action. If Wrath of Khan had been a TNG movie, they would have made Picard fistfight Khan at the end. Tl;dr gently caress Rick Berman
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Dec 10, 2016 01:05
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Again, Dominion War film would have been nice. gently caress, Insurrection was set during the time when the Federation was getting the absolute poo poo kicked out of it. And it had the loving flagship of Starfleet out on diplomatic missions, leaving Sisko to fill out his fleet with goddamn Miranda class pinatas. If he had a few Sovereigns on hand.
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Dec 10, 2016 01:09
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Insurrection is set during the last episode of DS9 when the Federation is negotiating the end to the war. Picard even says the reason they are playing host to so many diplomatic events is that all the diplomats are busy negotiating an end to the war.
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Dec 10, 2016 01:55
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Arcsquad12 posted:Again, Dominion War film would have been nice. gently caress, Insurrection was set during the six months when the Federation was getting the absolute poo poo kicked out of it. And it had the loving flagship of Starfleet out on diplomatic missions, leaving Sisko to fill out his fleet with goddamn Miranda class pinatas. If he had a few Sovereigns on hand. In a way it kind of doubles back on making sense. Starfleet got its poo poo pushed in because they were still holding onto the exploration/diplomatic side of things and had no idea how to wage a war of that scale.
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Dec 10, 2016 02:09
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sweet geek swag posted:Insurrection is set during the last episode of DS9 when the Federation is negotiating the end to the war. Picard even says the reason they are playing host to so many diplomatic events is that all the diplomats are busy negotiating an end to the war. Not quite. For a large stretch of DS9's final run, Worf and Ezri were captured by the Dominion. Insurrection takes place most likely during the episode "It's Only a Paper Moon", which takes place over several weeks which gives Worf time for leave from the Station. So it's still well within the Dominion War, before the Breen entered the conflict on the side of the Dominion. Picard says that they are putting out political brush-fires because the Federation is still losing badly and they need all the help they can get. It's why the dwarfs at the start of the film were accepted into the Federation only a year after achieving warp travel, because the Federation is desperate to shore up neutral planets before they sign non-aggression pacts with the Dominion.
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Dec 10, 2016 02:12
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Lowen SoDium posted:Oh. Well, TNG is good (the first 2 seasons are... kind of weird) The word you are looking for is "bad" hth maybe watch the Q episodes but that's it
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Dec 10, 2016 02:13
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what season is "au contraire mon capitan, he's back" from
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Dec 10, 2016 02:14
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it was post beard so its from a good season
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Dec 10, 2016 02:15
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FuturePastNow posted:If Wrath of Khan had been a TNG movie, they would have made Picard fistfight Khan at the end. They actually wanted to find a way to have Kirk and Khan face off in person for the movie's climax, but they just couldn't figure a plausible way for it to happen. These days, of course, moviemakers aren't constrained by pedestrian notions like believability, or the plot making any loving sense at all.
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Dec 10, 2016 02:28
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Arcsquad12 posted:Again, Dominion War film would have been nice. gently caress, Insurrection was set during the time when the Federation was getting the absolute poo poo kicked out of it. And it had the loving flagship of Starfleet out on diplomatic missions, leaving Sisko to fill out his fleet with goddamn Miranda class pinatas. If he had a few Sovereigns on hand. A war film might cost too much for Star Trek so it'd probably be a political mystery thriller involving Changelings with adventure elements and a battle scene or two. It doesn't have to be much. Just enough battle to spark the imagination for terrible things happening across a planet. Use trick photography to make the city look larger and more populated than any given Star Trek episode. Jem'Hadar occupy a city while all the inept Starfleet security officers getting murdered. CGI or HO Scale Dominion tanks patrol the streets with portable shields, or they have ships that convert into sentry guns. Show a building or two being destroyed by a Dominion warship from orbit. Have a fallen starship slowly falling apart in the distance in reentry. Maybe a Klingon warrior squad take out a bunch of Jem'Hadar but get massacred. And that's all you need for war scenes. Less than five minutes but it shows you what an all out war looks like in the Star Trek. The rest of the scenes can be the actors walking around on redressed studio sets while talking about duty and the prime directive and stuff. And then Nimoy can come back from the grave and do a merry jig while 1970's Uhura feeds me grapes.
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Dec 10, 2016 03:18
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Arcsquad12 posted:Not quite. For a large stretch of DS9's final run, Worf and Ezri were captured by the Dominion. Insurrection takes place most likely during the episode "It's Only a Paper Moon", which takes place over several weeks which gives Worf time for leave from the Station. So it's still well within the Dominion War, before the Breen entered the conflict on the side of the Dominion. Picard says that they are putting out political brush-fires because the Federation is still losing badly and they need all the help they can get. It's why the dwarfs at the start of the film were accepted into the Federation only a year after achieving warp travel, because the Federation is desperate to shore up neutral planets before they sign non-aggression pacts with the Dominion. Picard does not say it is because of the war, his exact words are "busy with Dominion negotiations." Also, the Son'a were allies of the Dominion, so they would not have conducted a joint mission with the Federation unless the war was over. The fact that Worf had to return to DS9 means it takes place before he becomes ambassador to the Klingons. The only place it can take place is between the surrender of Cardassia and the signing of the peace treaty. This is confusing, since Insurrection certainly came out around the time of "It's Only a Paper Moon." The only explanation is that when the line was written they thought the movie might be released after DS9 was finished so they placed a vague line about Dominion negotiations in there to be up to date. When the actual release date was earlier than they had anticipated, they didn't remove it, consequently spoiling that the Dominion War was over.
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Dec 10, 2016 03:23
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Gorelab posted:I think 3 and Generations are watchable, but they're honestly pretty mediocre. 3 is easily the most underrated Star Trek film. It certainly suffers from being the middle chapter of a trilogy, to the extent that you basically have to watch it with 2 and 4, but it's a solid and decent movie.
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Dec 10, 2016 05:51
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3 is also not as well written as 2 and not as over the top as 4, so it suffers in comparison. But there's nothing major wrong with it. It is a solidly entertaining movie. 5 is bad, but "What does God need with a starship?" makes up for all the poo poo that movie throws at you. The theatrical version of 1 is not great either, though the directors cut is much better.
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Dec 10, 2016 05:58
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You can't hate on 3 when it has Christopher Lloyd hamming it up as a Klingon, flubbing his lines, and killing space slugs.
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Dec 10, 2016 06:10
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Fojar38 posted:what season is "au contraire mon capitan, he's back" from 3, Deja Q
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Dec 10, 2016 06:32
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Hey what made you choose bubble fun guardian guy as your avatar, Ralp?
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Dec 10, 2016 06:34
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Children of Time: Odo condemns 8000 people to death because he loves Kira. Looks like he has a bit of Founder in him after all. Blaze of Glory: The Dominion massacres several hundred thousand Maquis colonists offscreen. And next episode is Empok Nor. Season 5's last bit is so good.
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Dec 10, 2016 06:53
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ACRE & EQUAT posted:Hey what made you choose bubble fun guardian guy as your avatar, Ralp? It's the goofiest part of a bad and extremely weird episode that somehow won two emmy awards for outstanding makeup and outstanding hairstyling. I posted the image in a star trek thread in fyad in like 06 or 07 and then decided it would make a good avatar. It's not a very interesting story but there you go.
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Dec 10, 2016 07:04
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sweet geek swag posted:5 is bad, but "What does God need with a starship?" makes up for all the poo poo that movie throws at you. The theatrical version of 1 is not great either, though the directors cut is much better. You know, this just made me realize that among Star Trek movies (I'm just dealing with the original cast here), even the BAD ones still have some universally-known good bit. TMP had V'Ger (the idea, if not any particular scene), and Star Trek V had the "What does God need with a starship" bit.
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Dec 10, 2016 07:09
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empty sea posted:I'm watching Voyager in order for the first time, instead of catching a random episode and holy poo poo, I don't know if it was the cough medicine or the wine but when I realized the aliens stole Neelix's lungs I couldn't stop laughing. I don't even know the last time I laughed that hard. they made a grim dark reboot, it was called Battlestar Galactica and prospered from the combination of america losing its goddamn mind over 9/11 and america losing its goddamn mind over Lost
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Dec 10, 2016 07:23
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Ralp posted:It's the goofiest part of a bad and extremely weird episode that somehow won two emmy awards for outstanding makeup and outstanding hairstyling. I posted the image in a star trek thread in fyad in like 06 or 07 and then decided it would make a good avatar. It's not a very interesting story but there you go. no plot holes; stood up to scrutiny; I rooted for the protagonist better than a lot of episodes
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Dec 10, 2016 07:24
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Fister Roboto posted:In a way it kind of doubles back on making sense. Starfleet got its poo poo pushed in because they were still holding onto the exploration/diplomatic side of things and had no idea how to wage a war of that scale. nah, the studio specifically ordered that the Enterprise-E or other ships of her class were not to be used, seen, or mentioned in DS9
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Dec 10, 2016 07:24
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also when Michael Piller was writing Insurrection he called up Ira Behr to ask how the war was going, and before he reached Behr he was fully expecting an answer of "yeah the Feds are about to get their poo poo pushed in pretty hard" but instead Behr said that things were going to be looking up for the Feds soon
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Dec 10, 2016 07:26
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also let's be real, even without getting into superior chemistry, star trek 5's plot makes more sense than most of the TNG films
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FC makes sense in that it is very simple. The borg send an explosive ball into the past to stop humans from ever becoming a threat and the enterprise follows and fights the ball and then somehow goes back to their own time.
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