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SedanChair posted:So in other words, everyone lost the War on Christmas. Whoever wins the war on Christmas, we all lose.
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pangstrom posted:a No mention that his wife admits to having Daddy Issues? I find "I like older men" kind of creepy...but I'm a sperglord supreme.
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So Oprah recently told the BBC that an entire generation of old people in the US were "born, bred and marinated in prejudice and racism," and that for racism to be fully stamped out any time soon, these people "just have to die." Of course, the totally not-racists who produce and watch Fox News are taking it personally because they're not racist, she is! Here's a still frame from a recent Hannity commercial, with Oprah being given the Fox trademark 'scary monster' look to drive the point home:  "Oprah says you have to DIE because you're all old, backwards, out-of-touch RACISTS but you're NOT you're just TELLING IT LIKE IT IS OH GOD WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP CALLING ME RACIST IT'S NOT FAAAIIIRR 
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Rhesus Pieces posted:So Oprah recently told the BBC that an entire generation of old people in the US were "born, bred and marinated in prejudice and racism," and that for racism to be fully stamped out any time soon, these people "just have to die." It's weird: I absolutely abhor watching her show but everything Oprah does outside of it consistently impresses me.
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Nov 20, 2013 19:34
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's weird: I absolutely abhor watching her show but everything Oprah does outside of it consistently impresses me. Her show is obviously tailored for a demographic that not many posters on these forums would fall into. Doesn't mean she isn't smart, though. I'm waiting for them to start telling their viewers that Obamacare will test for racism and those found guilty will be first to the death panels.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's weird: I absolutely abhor watching her show but everything Oprah does outside of it consistently impresses me. That is strange that you, a poster on a forum dominated by twenty-something males, do not enjoy a show that was targeted at middle-aged housewives. She's basically the most powerful woman in the world and she grew up poor and black. Of course she's brilliant.
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I knew that Oprah line was going to morph from "some people will never leave racism behind" to "off to the camps for you!"
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The best part is conservatives love to trot out Oprah as an example that poverty and skin color have nothing to do with potential and anyone from any background can be extremely successful. Ignoring the fact, of course, that if that were true, then her story wouldn't be noteworthy or inspirational at all. Unless you genuinely believe that literally 99% of black and poor Americans are just too lazy to be successf-oooooooooooooooh.
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"First they came for the racists, and I said nothing because I have a black friend..."
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Rhesus Pieces posted:"Oprah says you have to DIE because you're all old, backwards, out-of-touch RACISTS but you're NOT you're just TELLING IT LIKE IT IS OH GOD WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP CALLING ME RACIST IT'S NOT FAAAIIIRR
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It's almost like when they call a middling conservative president who leans slightly liberal on social issues a radical socialist and literal conservative free market based healthcare reform socialized medicine, I have to think there is some factor at play other than his actual policies. I dunno man.
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Nov 20, 2013 20:51
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mr. mephistopheles posted:That is strange that you, a poster on a forum dominated by twenty-something males, do not enjoy a show that was targeted at middle-aged housewives. Yeah, it's not her brilliance, it's that what I've seen of her show seemed targeted somewhat exploitatively at fairly stupid middle aged housewives, but outside of the show she seems to show far more character than you'd expect from a talk-show huckster. I must be missing something.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, it's not her brilliance, it's that what I've seen of her show seemed targeted somewhat exploitatively at fairly stupid middle aged housewives, but outside of the show she seems to show far more character than you'd expect from a talk-show huckster. I must be missing something. Her decision to target the lowest common denominator, average viewer is due to her being brilliant and the primary reason she is disgustingly wealthy.  Not everybody uses their brains to create something profound or meaningful. Jerry Springer is actually really intelligent also and probably would have had a successful career in politics if it paid as well as lovely trash TV.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:It's almost like when they call a middling conservative president who leans slightly liberal on social issues a radical socialist and literal conservative free market based healthcare reform socialized medicine, I have to think there is some factor at play other than his actual policies. This is really the problem and I don't think 1 in 10 even realize it. When someone points out that you didn't care when (white president) did X, but you are livid when (black president) does X, and they ask "So what's with that?" "I'm not a racist!" is not an answer to that question. It's a destination that you might wish to arrive at but just saying it doesn't explain anything. It's the same thing that infuriates me about "I was taken out of context" being widely accepted as a reply to "whoa what the gently caress is up with you on tape saying this crazy thing?" That's not an explanation, that's the start of an explanation. What was the loving context that we missed out on? It's like making GBS threads all over a bathroom stall and telling the Janitor "I had a really good reason for blasting poop all over" and then walking away. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Nov 20, 2013 |
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Most conservative beliefs are based off of things with equally simplistic or base explanations, so at least they're consistent about that.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Her decision to target the lowest common denominator, average viewer is due to her being brilliant and the primary reason she is disgustingly wealthy. Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. It's weird to see her showing so much character elsewhere, given her show. I never find myself reading news stories that make me think "Wow, I really admire that thing Jerry Springer said."
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Intel&Sebastian posted:This is really the problem and I don't think 1 in 10 even realize it. When someone points out that you didn't care when (white president) did X, but you are livid when (black president) does X, and they ask "So what's with that?" "I'm not a racist!" is not an answer to that question. It's a destination that you might wish to arrive at but just saying it doesn't explain anything. I've seen a proactive version of that response to people using The Fear Card on xenophobes, etc. It's even lazier, though I've never personally dealt with anyone that dumb. "Haha there she goes, playing the X CARD just like I expected. Typical." Somehow argumentative technique works like Rumpelstiltskin, by finding its True Name you can dismiss it and live happily ever after. And the bad guy is the one who points out bigotry. So rude! We should all just express our opinions and agree to disagree (but Republican opinions should be the law of the land, and disagreeing is unpatriotic)
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kik2dagroin posted:Rush actually just had a caller on that said something like "Obama's low approval rating is due to people not being afraid to criticize him anymore. I was so afraid to oppose Obama's policies verbally due to my cowardly belief that if I opposed him in any way I would be branded a racist." Rush, of course, harps on how Republicans and Conservatives are unfairly labeled as racists by the media everyday, and explicitly states that any criticism of Obama will be perceived as racist. In reality charges of racism are brought up when people say and/or do racist poo poo. And it's usually Republicans and people like Rush Limbaugh. My favorite thing is how they immediately talk about lynching the president after coming out with that "everyone's too afraid of being called racist" card. e: 
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Nov 20, 2013 21:52
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/20/still-think-conservatives-dont-read-check-out-the-amazon-best-seller-list/ "If conservatives are close-minded, anti-intellectuals who don't read then how come the best selling book list is full of books that appeal to close-minded, anti-intellectuals? Checkmate libtards." 
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Eponymouse posted:http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/20/still-think-conservatives-dont-read-check-out-the-amazon-best-seller-list/ Because buying = reading. A lot of conservatives I know (ANECDOTE) don't read the books they buy. They are for display only. Bragging rights. Or because an authority (Beck) told them to buy it.
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Conservatives are a lot like juggalos in that they are oblivious to the fact that it's a giant money making scheme and will buy anything their heroes poo poo out. I would put money that there is a non-negligible portion of those people who simply buy the books and never read them or read very little and get bored. Not that that's solely a conservative thing by any means, I know plenty of people with Kerouac or Joyce on their bookshelves that they've never opened, but there's no way that's not heavily at play here.
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What they leave out is that all of those political books get bought in bulk by think tanks and it counts towards those sales lists.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I would put money that there is a non-negligible portion of those people who simply buy the books and never read them or read very little and get bored. Not that that's solely a conservative thing by any means, I know plenty of people with Kerouac or Joyce on their bookshelves that they've never opened, but there's no way that's not heavily at play here. "Hey, I'm a Christian! See, I have a "Hey, I'm a Republican! See, I have a Some lines of thought are common in people, and they don't always look at themselves critically enough to realize or examine their subconscious heuristics, calculating exactly why they do or believe the things they do.
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As if we all don't have books that we have yet to read on our shelves. Sometimes we get around to it, sometimes we don't, but conservatives and liberals alike don't deserve too much criticism for aspiring to read more than they actually do. It really says a lot more about how conservatives are still buying big hardbound vanity books by Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh when the rest of the world is mostly reading online, like we're doing here. I walked into a lovely store called "Books-a-Million" while doing a little Christmas shopping and found the politics aisle lousy with hardbound anti-Obama books. Not a single book, (from an admittedly brief glance) that resembled any viewpoint that wasn't pretty damned white suburbanite conservative. My immediate thought was who owns this chain anyway? My second thought was, yeah, the oldsters are still buying up the hardbound vanity books, I guess. Since when does a 100 page political rant deserve to be hardbound anyway?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. It's weird to see her showing so much character elsewhere, given her show. I never find myself reading news stories that make me think "Wow, I really admire that thing Jerry Springer said." I admittedly haven't watched much of her show but from what I've seen it's nothing at all comparable to Jerry Springer. Jerry Springer is just random no-name fuckups yelling at each other for the sake of schadenfreude. She has some decent interviews sometimes and gets big people on the show and talking.  it could be much worse. You might learn something or be amused by it. There's at least some decorum and class to the show. Schmaltzy, but not necessarily low-brow -- just easy to digest.
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SnakePlissken posted:I walked into a lovely store called "Books-a-Million" while doing a little Christmas shopping and found the politics aisle lousy with hardbound anti-Obama books. Not a single book, (from an admittedly brief glance) that resembled any viewpoint that wasn't pretty damned white suburbanite conservative. My immediate thought was who owns this chain anyway? My second thought was, yeah, the oldsters are still buying up the hardbound vanity books, I guess. Since when does a 100 page political rant deserve to be hardbound anyway? I worked at a Books a Million for two years, and can confirm that they are a very right-wing company. They are based out of Birmingham, Alabama.
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It's kinda telling that Books-A-Million is also now the second largest remaining US book seller. (Barnes & Noble being the largest and the only book chain that still has stores in all 50 states, BAM has them in 31)
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A lot of those lovely right wing vanity books are never read and eventually wind up collecting dust in used book stores. I remember going to one that had this whole back area filled with shelf after shelf of right wing books in good condition, usually going for no more than a dollar each. I was guessing that most were bought up in bulk to inflate sales figures and eventually filtered their way down to stores like that one.
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Yeah there have been so many campaigns caught buying up their candidate's hastily ghostwritten books to funnel legit campaign money into the leader's pockets, it's not even funny anymore.
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Install Windows posted:Yeah there have been so many campaigns caught buying up their candidate's hastily ghostwritten books to funnel legit campaign money into the leader's pockets, it's not even funny anymore. It was never funny.
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ashgromnies posted:She has some decent interviews sometimes and gets big people on the show and talking. Let's not pretend it's all fine though. I mean she did give a voice to the anti-vaccine nutters and made Dr Phil.
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That's the tremendously  thing about it. Millions of books plastered with the name of a person who didn't write it being bought by people who will never read it. I never realized the campaigns buying books thing before, but that totally makes sense.
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SnakePlissken posted:As if we all don't have books that we have yet to read on our shelves. Sometimes we get around to it, sometimes we don't, but conservatives and liberals alike don't deserve too much criticism for aspiring to read more than they actually do. I don't know if you're right or not and, of course, there are several books I haven't gotten to over time, but... I've worked at more than a few a jobs that had a very conservative political atmosphere and I never saw anyone reading much of anything. They'd watch soap operas, The Price is Right and Jerry Springer on the lunchroom TV while I usually read the newspaper or whatever book I was into at the moment. During commercials, I'd overhear their political thoughts and ideas about the news but it was usually "ACORN", "taxes" and poo poo like that. More than one of them made fun of me for being a "bookworm". When break or lunch was over, they'd go back to their work areas and turn Rush Limbaugh back on their radios. I guess my point is that, yes, most liberals I know read a LOT more than the conservatives I know do.
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ErIog posted:That's the tremendously It is the deeply troubling metastatic nature of industrial civilization. Pulping trees and printing pages and pages of garbage information that is unlikely to ever enter a brain. I can't think of a more depressing place than one of those clearinghouses of books.
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ErIog posted:That's the tremendously It's like money laundering. Except with elections. McDowell posted:It is the deeply troubling metastatic nature of industrial civilization. Pulping trees and printing pages and pages of garbage information that is unlikely to ever enter a brain. I can't think of a more depressing place than one of those clearinghouses of books. I'd be tempted to just print "Keynes was right. Keynes was right. Keynes was right. Keynes was right. Keynes was right." over and over.
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That's real funny that people are trying to say they were afraid to criticize Obama. What happened bitches? I thought you had the get-tough ideology that loves to show off. Could it be that you're all meek followers? 
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I love how up in arms the tea party people seem to be over Obama not using the under god line in the Gettysburg Address.
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Here is a nice clip of Master Shake bemoaning Paul Ryan not returning his calls.
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Orange Devil posted:I'd be tempted to just print "Keynes was right. Keynes was right. Keynes was right. Keynes was right. Keynes was right." over and over. Only if it was a government sponsored printing program  With regards to buying book and not reading them, I think there is value to having a book just for the potential to have quick reference to it. Examples in my library are books like The Second Sex and Das Kapital, which are books that I haven't read cover to cover but are useful to have on hand when I want to see specific chapters from because I know an argument is well laid out there. I can see why people would want to have books from an ideologue they respect even if they don't read all of it right away.
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McDowell posted:It is the deeply troubling metastatic nature of industrial civilization. Pulping trees and printing pages and pages of garbage information that is unlikely to ever enter a brain. I can't think of a more depressing place than one of those clearinghouses of books. It's even worse because the paper that is used for mass production of books today is not of a quality that it would last. All our modern books will end up falling apart and turning to dust in less than a century, in contrast to books from hundreds of years ago when paper wasn't mass produced.
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