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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Possible not-biden '24 Dem Candidates ranked by likelihood of winning general (subjective opinion) According to this, our best chance for a candidate to hit that sweet spot is Ol' Pete Buttergate. Rat Mode is back on the menu, boys!
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Hannity was going on today about how "the NYT admits that Dem poll numbers are inflated! So actually the Republicans are basically ahead in every Senate race!"
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Twelve by Pies posted:Hannity was going on today about how "the NYT admits that Dem poll numbers are inflated! So actually the Republicans are basically ahead in every Senate race!" I didn't see the program but it sounds like The Bradley Effect at work again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect
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Run AOC for total socialist supremacy Can't wait to read about AoC Bros ruining the imternet
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FilthyImp posted:Run AOC for total socialist supremacy I mean FFXIV is better but I don't think they ruin the internet...
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v3a4/qanon-igor-lanis-walled-lake-michigan-murder QAnon Follower Killed Wife and Shot Daughter Before Cops Shot Him Dead The shooter’s daughter says Trump’s stolen-election lies triggered her father’s descent down the QAnon rabbit hole. quote:A 53-year-old Michigan man who was consumed by “Stop the steal” and QAnon conspiracies allegedly shot his wife, daughter, and their dog at their suburban Detroit home early Sunday morning, killing his wife and the dog.
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Sep 13, 2022 11:43
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The surviving daughter posted a thread on reddit about it a few hours after it happened. It’s extremely depressing to read. Edit: an uninjured daughter, I should say. She was staying with friends because she was too afraid of her father to sleep in the house. She couldn’t get her mother or sister to see that he was dangerous.
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Sep 13, 2022 12:27
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Fortunate Bird posted:What's the consensus here on who the Dems are going to run in 2024? The party line obviously is saying Biden and I'm inclined to agree that's what will happen. But almost every person I talk to seems convinced he won't run again. But, nothing against her but I don't feel particularly great about Kamala running. Frankly I don't love the Biden vs desantis matchup either but y'all are making me feel a little better about it. If Biden can still speak he's going to be the nominee.
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Sep 13, 2022 12:33
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I'm not interested in defending murderous maniacs or qanon, but what about the alt right made him execute his family? The only thing I could imagine is an increasing sense of isolation sometimes who buys into that stuff must face. Again not trying to defend qanon at all, just can't help but be critical of the implication of the article. If he had blown away some election day volunteer or political enemy, it would seem more qanon motivated.
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Sep 13, 2022 12:41
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If you truly believe that all liberals are commie facist pedophiles or whatever, and that they are going to hunt down and kill all Trump supporters in the near future, it's a reaction that makes a kind of sense at least. I think mostly it just shows that most of the people who claim to believe this stuff don't, in their heart of hearts, because going about your daily life as normal isn't really a rational response to that kind of apocalyptic worldview?
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Sep 13, 2022 12:46
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Careful, that way lies inner vs. outer narrative
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BRJurgis posted:I'm not interested in defending murderous maniacs or qanon, but what about the alt right made him execute his family? The only thing I could imagine is an increasing sense of isolation sometimes who buys into that stuff must face. If you're acting in good faith here and really just asking how: Q is aa very isolating belief system. It requires you not just to believe the level of mainstream gripes about the election but also requires you to believe that many mundane parts of your life are engaged in an actual-factual pedophile network. Like Wayfair selling contains of children because you can't believe anyone would pay so much for a cabinet. Tom Hanks, who stars in a hundred movies, to go on daily hunts for children. To believe that any day now Trump is going to reveal that he's been shadow president the whole time and the current Biden is a clone since the real one was executed. Of course you know you can't say these out loud but if you believe them it means trying to explain why you're agahst at the new rug. Or why you're so adamantly opposed to watching Forest Gump. You're constantly waiting for a vindication that's never going to come and the people in your life are just moving on not wanting to spend time with you and you're forced to wonder why. You, of course, couldn't be duped so it has to be real. You've shown them the evidence but they just don't see. And as this rift opens between you and the rest of the world it becomes easier and easier to radicalize, until eventually: Why aren't you doing anything about it? So you lash out, emotionally, to those around you. Except this time your emotional and you own a gun.
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Sep 13, 2022 13:01
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That's a lot of words to say "undiagnosed mental illness."
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It's not, it's a cult. A cult that dehumanises all outsiders until it's not just fine to kill them, it's a moral imperative. That's why members of the cult kill so often.
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Zipperelli. posted:That's a lot of words to say "undiagnosed mental illness." Antigravitas posted:It's not, it's a cult. A cult that dehumanises all outsiders until it's not just fine to kill them, it's a moral imperative. That's why members of the cult kill so often. Right, it's this. It's indoctrination, pure and simple. It's malicious. It may be comforting to say "Oh! There's something wrong with these people we can diagnose!" But at the end of the day they are the often-willing victims of targeted indoctrination. Some people really just want to harm other people and this cult gives them the "moral" opportunity to do so. If you don't understand that mindset, I think it's a good thing. But it's not always as benign (or treatable) as "Mental Illness".
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Sep 13, 2022 14:21
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Also this is hardly the first time one of them murdered family members; Last year a Qultist killed both his kids with a speargun because he thought they'd been poisoned by his wife's "serpent DNA" and would inevitably turn into monsters.
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Levantine posted:Right, it's this. It's indoctrination, pure and simple. It's malicious. It may be comforting to say "Oh! There's something wrong with these people we can diagnose!" But at the end of the day they are the often-willing victims of targeted indoctrination. Just wait until they feel like they've "lost". Be that trump dying on the toilet, another election loss, someone they like being outed as a pedophile for real... sometime soon, we're going to see more endless suffering of our neighbors by our neighbors because they joined a cult and we can't do anything to fix it. It's depressing and I hate it.
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Sep 13, 2022 14:37
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Also this is hardly the first time one of them murdered family members; Last year a Qultist killed both his kids with a speargun because he thought they'd been poisoned by his wife's "serpent DNA" and would inevitably turn into monsters. And the 2019 case of a Qultist killing his brother because he thought he'd been replaced by a lizard https://www.thedailybeast.com/proud-boy-member-accused-of-murdering-his-brother-with-a-sword-4
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Sep 13, 2022 15:49
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FFT posted:Careful, that way lies inner vs. outer narrative Prester Jane was right about everything.
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Sep 13, 2022 16:15
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Woolie Wool posted:Prester Jane was right about everything. She was absolutely right about how cults work and how to start them; it was just unfortunate that she couldn't stop herself from trying to start one herself
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skeleton warrior posted:She was absolutely right about how cults work and how to start them; it was just unfortunate that she couldn't stop herself from trying to start one herself It's that whole thing about being careful staring in the abyss.
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Woolie Wool posted:Prester Jane was right about everything.
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skeleton warrior posted:She was absolutely right about how cults work and how to start them; it was just unfortunate that she couldn't stop herself from trying to start one herself wait what
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skeleton warrior posted:She was absolutely right about how cults work and how to start them; it was just unfortunate that she couldn't stop herself from trying to start one herself Knowing her life story I got the feeling we were the first people to actually value her input on anything, that'd make anyone act a little weird and possessive
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Tesseraction posted:And the 2019 case of a Qultist killing his brother because he thought he'd been replaced by a lizard https://www.thedailybeast.com/proud-boy-member-accused-of-murdering-his-brother-with-a-sword-4 And who could forget the one who killed his mother to steal her car so he could go murder his brother and sister-in-law for vaccinating people? https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-md-cr-burnham-follow-20211006-srubyenoujenvkd5igalidruwm-story.html
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I grew up in wild weird fundie evangelical world and had similar experiences with their indoctrination as prester Jane. She was not revealing some sort of hidden truth about anything. It was just...growing up fundie. 
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PJ's issue wasn't that she was wrong. It was that she though her insights were original and not things academics and theorists had been discussing for decades, if not centuries.
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PeterWeller posted:PJ's issue wasn't that she was wrong. It was that she though her insights were original and not things academics and theorists had been discussing for decades, if not centuries. And also making up an entire complicated new set of terms to describe concepts that were already part of that research.
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Let's keep the poo poo talking to the fascists in the world and quit singling out a goon, please.
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PeterWeller posted:PJ's issue wasn't that she was wrong. It was that she though her insights were original and not things academics and theorists had been discussing for decades, if not centuries. I think if you grow up in an evangelical cult, you're not likely to live a life that sets you up to have meaningful access to academia and theory though. Maybe her takes are the children's education, Bill Nye The Science Guy, equivalent to actual sociological research, but what makes Bill Nye valuable isn't that he discovered all kinds of new scientific phenomenon, it's that he was able to communicate them to an audience that otherwise would be unable to even know how to get started with learning. I think there's plenty to criticize, but she was filling a gap that still needs to be filled.
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What gap was that? I never found any of those ramblings to be valuable.
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I feel bad for participating but would like to direct everyone to this welcome backseat mod post:pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Let's keep the poo poo talking to the fascists in the world and quit singling out a goon, please. Let's not dogpile PJ and get back to laughing at extremely dumb and decidedly not well-meaning folks like Tucker Carlson, who is like a big piece of poo poo, except worse, because he's not a waste byproduct that is part of a necessary biological function.
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'Things would be so much nicer if they'd just stop investigating us' https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1569492668756987905
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OgNar posted:'Things would be so much nicer if they'd just stop investigating us' Reminds me of Seth Meyers compiling all the times Sean Hannity kept bringing up the piss tape long after every other host had moved on.
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HootTheOwl posted:.... isnt this just an online store doing a thing to meta game its SEO rankings? have it accurately listed as unstocked, unavailable dings its SEO ranking.
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PhazonLink posted:isnt this just an online store doing a thing to meta game its SEO rankings? have it accurately listed as unstocked, unavailable dings its SEO ranking. The average Qanon adherent doesn't understand SEO (amongst many, many other things)
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Levantine posted:Right, it's this. It's indoctrination, pure and simple. It's malicious. It may be comforting to say "Oh! There's something wrong with these people we can diagnose!" But at the end of the day they are the often-willing victims of targeted indoctrination. For example, Göbbels and his wife murdered their children with cyanide capsules before offing themselves in Hitler's bunker because they believed that a world without National Socialism was so horrible it was a mercy to their children to spare them from living in it. They weren't mentally ill. QAnon frightens people about a horrible future of humanity being mostly exterminated and the survivors enslaved by satanic pedophiles. And vaccines and poo poo became part of the plot. Imagine you genuinely believe all that and then your spouse says "oh yeah I'm going to nerve-staple the kids, oh calm down the news says nerve-stapling prevents covid"
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OgNar posted:'Things would be so much nicer if they'd just stop investigating us' Funny how so many of those investigations lead to indictments or had bipartisan reports at the end clearly calling out that the thing did happen and was bad but we love trump anyway like the senate intelligence report on Russian interference in the 2016 election headed by Rubio of all people.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Also this is hardly the first time one of them murdered family members; Last year a Qultist killed both his kids with a speargun because he thought they'd been poisoned by his wife's "serpent DNA" and would inevitably turn into monsters. "Guy was probably an Antifa plant that Soros paid for getting too close to the truth" - poo poo the friends on his FB page are probably posting
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The largest problem is that conspiracies are validating. You have the knowledge AND the mental gift to piece it all together. People aren't actually worried about your grip on reality, they've just been poisoned by the MSM and the satanic/NWO plan that you and the other true believers avoided. You are special. You matter. And because of that, You are the only one who can act against it. Especially with Q but a part of a lot of these conspiracy groups is that they tell you that, yes, the world is hosed up but it's not your fault. And because you know the Truth, you can be a part of the fight against it. They weaponize the chaos and change inherent in the world and cast it not as a complex web of interconnected ideals and policies from people, but as a singular force that can be resisted and fought against. It's the same ideas that drove the Pogroms: your life doesn't suck because of the complexities of international relations or trade, it sucks because 'the Jews' kidnap babies and drink their blood in offerings to Satan. You can stop that! Just kill them all and destroy their homes and businesses because they aren't actually people, they are demonic monsters. Q brought together a lot of different strains of conspiracy, and weaponized it against the biggest boogeyman in the U.S., politics. There's strains of the 90s militia movements, neo-nazis, anti-vaxxers, Confederate apologists, NWO paranoiacs, 'Left Behind' Rapture nuts, doomsday isolationists, and so on and so forth. It's a continuation of the ever-shifting enemies of the John Birch era, distilled into a single place that gives people a sense of identity and cooperation. The only price of admission is rejecting reality. But all of the above have been doing that for years now, so no big cost there. So when one of your daughters practically moves out because 'she can't handle the truth', that's the globalist mind poison getting to them. When your wife tells you she's worried, she is being attacked by demons looking to weaken you. The enemy is at the gates. It's been a problem for decades now. Q just refined it. And until we deal with it as a society (which takes a lot of effort, education and investment in said society) it will continue to be with us.
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