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VelociBacon posted:For your average professional career, how many references are reasonable to provide? I was surprised to receive feedback (after being hired) that one of my references wasn't as glowing as I would have expected. They aren't going to tell me who it was (of my 4) so I was going to just cut the one I think is the most likely and replace it with a new reference who I am very confident is a solid addition.
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Dik Hz posted:Have a friend call and roleplay as a hiring manager. I've actually considered testing my references by having one of my friends who own a business send the generic email template thing (that's how references work in my industry) but something about that just seems so sleezy?
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VelociBacon posted:I've actually considered testing my references by having one of my friends who own a business send the generic email template thing (that's how references work in my industry) but something about that just seems so sleezy?
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Dec 8, 2022 03:31
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I'm currently interviewing for a role that requires you to have a bachelor's degree and some relevant experience but is otherwise considered "entry level". Namely, it's a Contracts Analyst job. Other than that, the role has some specific requirements that I fit, such as proficiency in a couple of languages. I had an initial 30-minute HR screening, a first interview, and a skill assessment, all of which went well (at least I think so, I haven't received any specific feedback). Today I had a second and final interview with another person, and it did not go well. I had prepared answers to questions about my time management and organizational skills (which is what the job posting explicitly called for), and the interviewer pressed me on high-level, substantive issues that I had faced in my professional experience. This was completely different from what the first interviewer had pressed me on, and also I wouldn't be expected to actually solve those kinds of issues in my role, just escalate them if they came up. To be clear, these are fair questions given my experience, but they caught me off guard and I had to scramble to give a coherent answer. I've been job searching for a while now, and some of these experiences are from years ago and I couldn't just say nothing for 2 minutes while I organized my thoughts. After that the interview kind of petered out. I was told to expect a decision next week. Is it worth sending an email to the interviewer essentially expanding and providing a few more examples on what he asked? I have good answers to them, but in the moment I froze. For what it's worth, I had good rapport with him and at no point did he say anything negative about me, but I could tell he was looking for something more.
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Dec 9, 2022 20:21
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Probably not, once a decision is made one way or another an email isn't going to change it. "Here's a better answer" in particular probably won't fly very well. I've had people send me followup questions or maybe a little bit of "let me expand on this topic we talked about", which I guess is nice but won't move the needle.
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Dec 9, 2022 20:27
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It would move the needle a bit for me if you followed up. I don't think it would hurt.
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Dec 9, 2022 20:44
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I'm gonna  the email for some feedback, hope it's ok. It's around 230 words in total, which feels long but also at some point if I trim too much from the answers they stop making any sense.Also for context, the interviewer is English and soccer fanatic. Argentina won today, and England is playing tomorrow. quote:redacted cause I’m not gonna send it. Thanks for the advice! dpkg chopra fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Dec 10, 2022 00:51
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Seems too long to me. I've had people follow up before, and A.) it doesn't really help, and B.) it's usually just a couple sentences and a link. Like: "[...normal thank you stuff...] During the interview we talked about X, and I wanted to provide some more context for my answer. Please see this summary report which includes a breakdown of Y and Z." Maybe not the best example, but basically it's not trying to sneak in a "do over" for a question that was flubbed in the moment. Yours feels like a do-over, which you don't get in interviews. I say don't send that and just see what happens. Anyone with interviewing experience knows that people can be caught off guard. It's not an instant dealbreaker. But an after-the-fact somewhat desperate sounding note (instead of a thank you) might be a dealbreaker. So just let it go. You might be surprised! Esp. if you did well in the other ones. e: also the soccer comment itself isn't bad but in this context feels tacked on, and a little bit like you're trying to exploit the small amount of camaraderie that was developed during the interview. It seems like you're just overthinking it - just relax and see what happens. If you got through all those first rounds without any problem I really doubt you screwed up as badly as you think. Sometimes interviews just don't gel, it happens. gamer roomie is 41 fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Dec 10, 2022 01:03
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Yeah, that honestly tracks with my gut feeling, I guess I am just fishing for a do-over.
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Dec 10, 2022 01:08
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If someone with work experience sent me an essay I’d think they are a chore to work with
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Dec 10, 2022 01:24
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CarForumPoster posted:If someone with work experience sent me an essay I’d think they are a chore to work with Ditto. I’d think they didn’t know how interviews work.
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Starting to do STAR based interviews and I really suck at them. It really feels like they would prefer I just give them the canned answers that you get off of Youtube. The fact that I really dislike shining the spotlight on myself doesn't help, I pushed my next interview for a different position back a couple of weeks because this last one made me feel a great deal of self doubt and I need to recharge. A couple of samples from today's round "Tell me of a time that you found a safety hazard and how you dealt with it" I improvised as best as I could, but it's hard for me to think of a workplace where tip-toeing around workplace hazards wasn't just part of the job. It will feel odd working for a place that actively tries to not have that. "Tell me of an ethical problem you found at work and how you dealt with it" The only types of workplace ethics I've really dealt with are things like dealing with the boss to get paid, by sending the labor department after them and coworker shenanigans. Both feel like bad options, I went for the former, but phrased better. "Tell me of a time when you had a problem with multiple solutions, how did you choose." Sensible, but that's about as vague of a question as you could give me. I went for the efficiency angle. There were a few others that were more standard questions that I've run into before. This is for a wrench turning job. Wish me luck.
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Dec 16, 2022 02:10
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STAR questions should be the start of a conversation. Just a series of those questions without any discussion is a stupid waste of time. Then again most interviewers are bad at interviewing.
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Dec 16, 2022 02:18
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From what I gather I'm being interviewed by volunteer employees and the panel may or may not include a person from HR or corporate. The way it runs is they'll ask me a question from the list, I answer, they sometimes ask for clarification. At the end there's an open questions session, but this last group felt like talking to a brick wall and we ended early. Feeling a bit of FOMO over this one, because its the sort of position that I could sit in for a fair time.
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Dec 16, 2022 03:00
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Group of employees interviews generally have little to no bearing on hiring decisions.
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Dec 16, 2022 03:07
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nomad2020 posted:The fact that I really dislike shining the spotlight on myself doesn't help,
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Dec 16, 2022 04:08
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Got all stressed out for nothing, woke up to a contingent offer sitting in my mail. Really didn't expect that fast of a turnaround, but I won't start until well after New Years.
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Dec 16, 2022 19:49
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nomad2020 posted:Got all stressed out for nothing, woke up to a contingent offer sitting in my mail. Really didn't expect that fast of a turnaround, but I won't start until well after New Years. Congrats, sounds like you killed it if they wanted to get the offer to you so fast!
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Dec 16, 2022 19:51
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nomad2020 posted:Got all stressed out for nothing, woke up to a contingent offer sitting in my mail. Really didn't expect that fast of a turnaround, but I won't start until well after New Years.
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Dec 16, 2022 20:03
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This offer places me about midway up the Union scale, I have already accepted that. Honestly a bit lower than I was shooting for, but higher than the other position I was looking into would offer. Good benefits otherwise, I will be well taken care of.
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Union scales limit your negotiating room so it sounds like this is a win for you. Grats.
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Helping my brother out with his resume and had a quick (maybe obvious) question. What would be the best way to structure it if his experience looks like this? Company A / Paralegal Assistant 2019 - Present Bank A / Bank Analyst 2015 - 2019 Company A / Assistant 2009 - 2014 (same employer as current job) He's looking to get back into banking but I assume we should still stick with chronological and not functional / hybrid? Make the bank position details the meat and potatoes of the resume?
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Dec 20, 2022 07:40
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Non chronological resumes go in the trash.
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Dec 20, 2022 14:29
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Use chronological unless you have concurrent roles, then group. And yes, emphasize the roles you want more of.
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They should also spin the description of the most recent paralegal role to emphasize the duties and responsibilities that would be most relevant for a bank job.
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I'm in the final stages of an interviewing process. In my CV I mentioned I had native proficiency in one language, and "Advanced" proficiency for another. I made sure to mention in the interview that for the "Advanced", my reading and speaking skills were better than my writing skills, and the Hiring Manager seemed OK with that, but it's not a point we spent too much time on. They sent me a couple of online language tests, and I aced the reading for both. The writing section will probably take a few more days to come back, but I expect for my "Advanced" language, the result will be in the middle of the range. Is it worth sending a polite email to the HM reminding them of the reading/writing disparity or do I just let it lie and hope they remember? Mostly I'm concerned about it looking like I tried to pass my skills off as something they are not.
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dpkg chopra posted:I'm in the final stages of an interviewing process. In my CV I mentioned I had native proficiency in one language, and "Advanced" proficiency for another. Depends on the role, will writing be a core skill in that language for the job? If so, don't remind them that you think you suck, it won't help. If reading/speaking is more important, maybe. I'd still lean no because if the score sucks they will think you suck but setting an expectation might give a slight edge.
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I probably wouldn't bother. I don't think your concern is founded considering you did well on the other portions.
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It's hard to tell. Nominally, yes, writing is important but 99% of my writing would be in English. From how the job was explained to me, even with other countries the documentation is mostly in English, knowing other languages is good for being able to deal with stakeholders, and in my role I honestly would have to escalate any substantial changes to any text, anyway. The job description asked for proficiency in "X and/or Y languages".
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Dec 20, 2022 20:59
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Don’t bother them about it; you’ll come across as insecure and trying to game the process.
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But Doctor, I am insecure and trying to game the process!
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(I won’t send the email, thanks for the advice)
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Am I handling this correctly? Job #1: Just made me an offer, I'm not too excited about this role or the company but I'm in no position to refuse their money right now and I will accept. Start date 1/9. Job #2. I'm in interview stage 3 of 4 for Job #2, I'm very excited about this role and they will pay me more than Job #1. Currently waiting for them to reach and confirm I made it to the final interview, who knows what will happen but best case scenario they make me an offer before my start date for Job #1. What should I do if I start Job #1 and still interviewing/waiting for Job #2? To cover my rear end I'm accepting Job #1 but I really want Job #2 and I'd rather not start a job for a week and quit. Should I try to push Job #2 to wrap this up ASAP or continue to be patient and let things play out?
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I'd push (nicely). Starting then walking away from a job will burn you there for a long time. That might be worth it, and depending on your industry and location it might not be a big deal but if you can avoid it you should. Letting them know you have another job offer isn't rude. I wouldn't tell them you accepted it though.
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Does the new company know you have an offer? Whenever I've been in that spot, telling the new company I've got an existing offer in-hand has accelerated their interview process.
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PRADA SLUT posted:Does the new company know you have an offer? Whenever I've been in that spot, telling the new company I've got an existing offer in-hand has accelerated their interview process. They don't know I have an offer, in previous conversations I've mentioned that I'm interviewing at other places and would like to move fast. Job #2 reached out to schedule a final interview for next week. At that point I'm going to let them know I have another offer but really want this job and would appreciate a quick decision so I can let Job #1 I'm not going to accept. I could also try to push my start date for Job #1 to buy some time.
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Let job #2 know you have an offer but would like to understand all options and still think that's potentially a great fit but that there's a time crunch. Don't tell them they are your top preference.
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References still have a place, especially if your candidate is maybe not a great communicator so you need to figure out if they are nervous in an interview vs full of poo poo. I don't use them very often but sometimes you need to. And vet your references, don't give a reference from someone who would be that petty. If you work somewhere for a couple years and can't come up with one person who can be positive of your work that's a whole different problem.
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Lockback posted:References still have a place, especially if your candidate is maybe not a great communicator so you need to figure out if they are nervous in an interview vs full of poo poo. I don't use them very often but sometimes you need to. This is where someone's skill as a recruiter comes in. A professional recruiter's job is to gleam as much as they can about a candidate. Sure some people don't do well in the interview process, but that logic cuts both ways- some people are great at interviewing but end up falling way short of the impression they set once they start the job (I have experienced this and bet that you have, too). And when people give you a reference you have no way of knowing if it's legitimate or phony. melon cat fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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