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Xander B Coolridge posted:I guess there's no chance at a sincere apology and eventual redemption for Nick? If he were a Hollywood/TV guy maybe? But Nick is in a community which really cares about this stuff and in which fan/creator interaction is key.
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Aug 4, 2017 23:33
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Xander B Coolridge posted:I guess there's no chance at a sincere apology and eventual redemption for Nick? I don't think that's necessarily the case, given we haven't seen any actual fallout yet
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Aug 4, 2017 23:33
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kidcoelacanth posted:I don't think that's necessarily the case, given we haven't seen any actual fallout yet Yea I mean I'd be very surprised if guys like Griffin and all would want to be close with him and all but do I think he'll be a monster forever? Probably not unless something actually horrific comes out. I think his future at Polygon may be on thin ice, though, if only because so much of Polygon's brand is the literal opposite of being ok with this poo poo.
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Aug 4, 2017 23:36
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Xander B Coolridge posted:I guess there's no chance at a sincere apology and eventual redemption for Nick? It has been less than 24 hours friend. It is okay to be sad but let's slow down.
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Aug 4, 2017 23:38
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:who the hell is saying this dumb poo poo Here let's look at an actual quote from a different forum: quote:This whole burn at the stake is ridiculous. Some dude probably sent some pictures to some females whom all may or may not have been gaming journalists and probably fired on them hard and now people are saying he was sexually harassing them. Maybe this dude is a sex addict like Tiger Woods. I just feel until the facts are out there, then this is hardly a story. gently caress, even Bill O'Reily didn't get this much attention. People are dumb, y'all
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Aug 4, 2017 23:38
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Spaced God posted:Here let's look at an actual quote from a different forum: Lots of people don't seem to know what sexual harassment is, I feel like this is something that we should address as a society. I'm not making a joke, I really do think teaching this stuff in schools would improve a lot of people's lives.
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Aug 4, 2017 23:44
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Spaced God posted:Here let's look at an actual quote from a different forum: Like I feel if I walked up to a woman in the street and slipped her a picture of myself naked, it would be harassment. I don't know why people have this mentality of something being 'just online' and not 'real life' as though one gives you a little more leeway with how much of a creep you can be.
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Aug 4, 2017 23:47
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Lots of people don't seem to know what sexual harassment is, I feel like this is something that we should address as a society. yea there are tons of studies that show constantly a distressingly high amount of people literally don't understand what sexual harassment/assault actually IS. There's so much the layer of 'uh I didn't drag her into an alley and rape her, you can't call this a sex offense man' that people genuinely don't understand 'hey, if you've made someone uncomfortable or unsafe feeling maybe you need to consider if you're in the wrong'.
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Aug 4, 2017 23:47
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Lots of people don't seem to know what sexual harassment is, I feel like this is something that we should address as a society.
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Aug 4, 2017 23:49
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Also I think that anyone who uses the word "female" in this context should have any opinions completely disregarded.
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Aug 4, 2017 23:49
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Just wanted to go on record that I'm incredibly willing to forget all about this if he somehow weathers the storm.
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Aug 4, 2017 23:49
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Apparently there's a post about the situation in the cool games Inc Facebook group? Anyone a member?
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Aug 4, 2017 23:53
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Apparently there's a post about the situation in the cool games Inc Facebook group? Anyone a member? There is one, it has like 500 comments in roughly 1/10 of the time it took this thread, and I'm not dealing with that.
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Aug 4, 2017 23:56
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Soup du Jour posted:There is one, it has like 500 comments in roughly 1/10 of the time it took this thread, and I'm not dealing with that. Oh I thought it was an official statement
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Aug 4, 2017 23:57
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Spaced God posted:Also I think that anyone who uses the word "female" in this context should have any opinions completely disregarded. 
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Aug 5, 2017 00:02
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I don't know enough about the accusations or the people involved and will wait until an official company response or some substantive reporting outside the confines of Twitter. lovely situation.
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Aug 5, 2017 00:10
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Apparently there's a post about the situation in the cool games Inc Facebook group? Anyone a member? I am. That thread very quick got populated with "Nick is a rapist and we should obliterate all references to content of his in in this group" comments on one side and "well I don't see any evidence so you are all just witchhunting" on the other. The latter group was mostly just summarily banned. edit; actually that's a mischaracterization of the former group. There have been a lot of people who are basically saying that the very fact that some people in the industry seem to have been confirming that Nick did something is proof enough of misconduct. Bayham Badger fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Aug 5, 2017 00:36
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Waterbed Wendy posted:That's funny, a goon group that I'm an admin for recently ousted a dude when one woman, who had been harassed, decided to look into it with all the other women in our group and lo and behold almost 100% of our female users, myself included, had endured some sort harassment from this dude from soliciting to nudes to constant messaging when asked to stop to even worse things. I assume somewhere along the line someone said "This guy did a thing, it's not cool" and other people spoke up at some point as well. That's not what's happening here. So far all we've seen was "I heard a thing happened but can't share the deets" and "wink wink, nudge, nudge you know who did you know what." None of which is anywhere near the same as actually talking about a problem.
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Aug 5, 2017 00:39
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Nuebot posted:I assume somewhere along the line someone said "This guy did a thing, it's not cool" and other people spoke up at some point as well. That's not what's happening here. So far all we've seen was "I heard a thing happened but can't share the deets" and "wink wink, nudge, nudge you know who did you know what." None of which is anywhere near the same as actually talking about a problem. His two "real good friends, like for decades, here let's make a podcast so we can still interact" buddies up and left said podcast while decrying the guy. That's pretty concrete enough for me. We may never know what happened but it's not really our business either.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:His two "real good friends, like for decades, here let's make a podcast so we can still interact" buddies up and left said podcast while decrying the guy. That's pretty concrete enough for me. We may never know what happened but it's not really our business either. On the other hand, his career was over and if they didn't their careers would suffer by virtue of associating with him because that's how this kind of rumor mongering poo poo spreads. In just one day this has gone from "He's Bad" to "He has a wife and cheated on her" to "He's a rapist!" and "He's also a pedophile!". No actual sources or evidence has come clean, and I sure as hell can't blame anyone for not wanting to get caught in the cross fire. Whether he did it or not his career is just done now because this stuff will never go away. You say it's not our business, and someone earlier said that victims don't have to come out and talk about what happened. And you're right it's not, and they don't. But people shouldn't just drop vague hints and let things just go up in flames either. People in this topic were talking about how it's "not a huge leap" to assume he did whatever heinous sex crimes people are accusing him of - but it is. A leap is still a leap without any kind of evidence.
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Nuebot posted:I assume somewhere along the line someone said "This guy did a thing, it's not cool" and other people spoke up at some point as well. That's not what's happening here. So far all we've seen was "I heard a thing happened but can't share the deets" and "wink wink, nudge, nudge you know who did you know what." None of which is anywhere near the same as actually talking about a problem. People are talking about a problem; you're witnessing the fallout from those conversations. It's natural for people to feel like they should be privy to the complete record in a situation like this because it involves public figures and public dragging, but we're talking about very sensitive subject matter and third-party observers who aren't even being asked to take any action have no right to specific details. Nuebot posted:On the other hand, his career was over and if they didn't their careers would suffer by virtue of associating with him because that's how this kind of rumor mongering poo poo spreads. Ruining someone's career does not work the way you think it does at all.
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Aug 5, 2017 01:17
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General Dog posted:Just wanted to go on record that I'm incredibly willing to forget all about this if he somehow weathers the storm. I don't really know why you would say that out loud unprompted, because it makes you look like a real rear end in a top hat.
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Aug 5, 2017 01:21
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Nuebot posted:On the other hand, his career was over and if they didn't their careers would suffer by virtue of associating with him because that's how this kind of rumor mongering poo poo spreads. Again, these two guys were very good friends of his. If they felt these rumours were untrue, they would speak up and defend their friend, regardless of damage to their career. Instead they immediately cut ties. There has been a poo poo ton of vagueness surrounding this, but that fact alone should set off alarms.
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Aug 5, 2017 01:23
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Aug 5, 2017 01:25
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Varam posted:Ruining someone's career does not work the way you think it does at all. Cicadalek posted:Again, these two guys were very good friends of his. If they felt these rumours were untrue, they would speak up and defend their friend, regardless of damage to their career. Instead they immediately cut ties. There has been a poo poo ton of vagueness surrounding this, but that fact alone should set off alarms. Alarms are not the same as actual evidence though.
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Aug 5, 2017 01:26
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Lots of people don't seem to know what sexual harassment is, I feel like this is something that we should address as a society. That, and a class on managing your online presence, with important lessons like "nothing's stopping your recipient from screenshotting that message and sending it to your wife" or "Everybody is talking to everybody else all the time so stop using your professional account to creep on people" and "nothing's private or anonymous anymore so maybe think before you say dumb poo poo"
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Aug 5, 2017 01:28
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Admiral Joeslop posted:His two "real good friends, like for decades, here let's make a podcast so we can still interact" buddies up and left said podcast while decrying the guy. That's pretty concrete enough for me. We may never know what happened but it's not really our business either. I lost every friend I had a decade ago over a provably (and proven several times over) false accusation, so that is meaningless to me. I still lose people in my life when the monthly harassment campaign against me sparks up again. Even your closest friends drop you when people are harassing them over you.
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Aug 5, 2017 01:28
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Aug 5, 2017 01:29
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:I lost every friend I had a decade ago over a provably (and proven several times over) false accusation, so that is meaningless to me. I still lose people in my life when the monthly harassment campaign against me sparks up again. I'd like to hear more about this, it seems like the appropriate thread
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Nuebot posted:Alarms are not the same as actual evidence though. It's pretty loving strong circumstantial evidence, I don't know what else to tell you. The alternative is that two people who have been friends with Nick for years heard a rumour that he was a creep, and then immediately and unquestioningly cut ties with him without doing any verification themselves.
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Nuebot posted:Alarms are not the same as actual evidence though. "Don't worry about fire alarms, it's not the same as there being a fire" -Nuebot, 2017
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I mean I've been presuming the people who cut ties were shown evidence in confidence. I am not going to harass Nick or claim I know exactly what happened or call him a rapist but I think it's stupid to say I'm not allowed to have a bad feeling when people so close to him immediately cut ties. Either way, something bad went down, and I don't have the evidence to know what.
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:I lost every friend I had a decade ago over a provably (and proven several times over) false accusation, so that is meaningless to me. I still lose people in my life when the monthly harassment campaign against me sparks up again. I don't give two shits about whatever garbage you vomit into threads, FAROOQ. Admiral Joeslop fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Aug 5, 2017 01:37
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Cicadalek posted:It's pretty loving strong circumstantial evidence, I don't know what else to tell you. The alternative is that two people who have been friends with Nick for years heard a rumour that he was a creep, and then immediately and unquestioningly cut ties with him without doing any verification themselves. Yeah and this could happen but it'd also be a pretty lovely level of friendship, especially since as far as I can tell most people weren't anywhere near convinced until these two people publically cut ties.
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Aug 5, 2017 01:38
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I really doubt that Ben and Kessler cut ties over vague and nonspecific tweets about sexual harassment, it seems way more likely they have heard from people were are alleging harassment but (for very good reason) aren't willing to broadcast their experiences publicly. e: and given the content of their statements I really doubt the alleged behaviour was as harmless as a 'sned nudes lol' DM.
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Aug 5, 2017 01:40
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ekeog posted:I'd like to hear more about this, it seems like the appropriate thread I was lucky to be able to evidence that I have never been in the same country as my accuser. And apparently that isn't enough for some people on twitter. I'm thinking nothing about this because 1. Nick doesn't have an actual, specific accusation to respond to (not even talking about evidence, the accusation is nebulous enough that i can't even tell if its one incident that a lot of people are talking about or multiple). 2. The people i pay attention to are all saying he has to prove he hasn't done anything which is absolutely not achievable when the accusation involves twitter.
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Aug 5, 2017 01:41
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Admiral Joeslop posted:I don't give two shits about whatever garbage you vomit into threads, FAROOQ. luckily i'm not mentioning your transphobia.
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Aug 5, 2017 01:42
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