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slurm posted:Everyone at my work is talking about how the Dems are going to take everyone's 401k and put it into paying off the national debt. Where does this come from? https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/22/biden-administration-loosens-trump-era-esg-rules-for-401k-plans.html https://nypost.com/2022/12/06/team-bidens-401k-heist-could-raid-your-retirement-for-a-woke-agenda/ through a game of idiot telephone this story went from "biden admin is reversing a trump esg fund rule which discouraged including esg funds even if the plan administrator determined they were appropriate" to "biden is making it easier for wallstreet to invest your money in woke funds" to "biden passed a rule allowing him to seize every 401k and put it into his own bank account"
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Is my impression that Telegram is a favored online haven of American chuds, qmanoids and rightwing dipshits of various types correct? If so, why? Because it’s encrypted and doesn’t get moderated? My datapoints are two. One is an old family friend of my wife’s who has come out as an angry right wing crank since the Trump years but doesn’t seem to watch TV, listen to hate radio that we know of etc. His wife says he doesn’t use social media but did discover he has a Telegram account. Also of note, as a realtor dealing in pretty expensive property in SoCal a major part of his clientele are Russians with a lot of money. Second data point, I was just on a domestic flight, seat mate was a pleasant seeming older lady, a housewife from Wyoming, who showed me nice pics of her puppies, then spent the rest of the flight going over every single Q conspiracy belief with the poor Asian lady sitting on the other side of her. Military tribunals, clones, people long dead who have been replaced by imposters wearing masks of them, Trump being the secret king of the universe, the whole drat bit. Of course at the end she asks the Asian lady if she’s on Telegram. Can someone explain this to me? Zwabu fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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Ytlaya posted:The ideology is basically like you describe, but the "culture" is a specific sort of gen X/boomer liberal. It's Gen X, because I went to high school with the founder. She was a senior when I was a sophomore.
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Zwabu posted:Is my impression that Telegram is a favored online haven of American chuds, qmanoids and rightwing dipshits of various types correct? If so, why? Because it’s encrypted and doesn’t get moderated? Telegram is popular among cranks of every shape and size from what I've seen. Iirc it's where the kiwifarms crowd fled to, and seems to be favored by anyone who doesn't want outsiders looking in on them.
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emSparkly posted:Telegram is popular among cranks of every shape and size from what I've seen. Iirc it's where the kiwifarms crowd fled to, and seems to be favored by anyone who doesn't want outsiders looking in on them. Kiwifarms is still around as a regular website you can go to and visit. I don't doubt some fled to Telegram to have a more private clubhouse, but while I've not bothered to check if they are less active than they once were, the original website is still around.
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Zwabu posted:Is my impression that Telegram is a favored online haven of American chuds, qmanoids and rightwing dipshits of various types correct? If so, why? Because it’s encrypted and doesn’t get moderated? my chud uncle is like that too. i suspect its alot of boomer/early gen x chuds are bored with their lived and deep down feel lied to by trump because he promised to make them kings of the world and vindicated and (unsaid) respected by family again. but that didnt happen, so now they need some assassains creed type meta plot to explain why trump was a gently caress up moron who didnt make them happy.
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My dad’s newsletter is going off the deep end, calling people evil and enemies.
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Had a nice dinner last night with the exception of the loud guy at the next table. Most of their conversations (six people at that table) were typical edge of hearing what was going on. Then, a guy in his 50s started going on about the "corrupt state department" and "corrupt government." He was loud enough not to ignore, sadly. Also came out with a lot of "Why don't you hear about this from the CNN, NBC, etc?" .... Because they verify stories before running them? And he naturally uttered the phrase, "I don't think I'm smarter than everyone else." A quick glance showed a super smug look on his face. Yeah, ya do, buddy. One of the women at the table was from Brazil, and she had the most aghast expression when he talked. I apologize for my nation, Brazilian lady!
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HootTheOwl posted:He's so dumb. its more then that, he is pathetic and insecure and bigoted and most of his pain could be avoided if he didnt act like a high school edgelord.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its more then that, he is pathetic and insecure and bigoted and most of his pain could be avoided if he didnt act like a high school edgelord. It's becoming increasingly clear that he's one of those supremely privileged guys who got stuck in a particular mindset in his early 20s and never had reason or need to ever grow or mature beyond it. Not hard to understand why his kids can't stand to be around him.
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Zwabu posted:Is my impression that Telegram is a favored online haven of American chuds, qmanoids and rightwing dipshits of various types correct? If so, why? Because it’s encrypted and doesn’t get moderated? Telegram is used by a wide range of people; it's like trying to paint Discord similarly. Has it hosted alt-right fuckos? Both of them, absolutely. Does that make it a alt-right fucko hangout? Debatable. A lot of people use Telegram because it's an instant messenger that happens to exist, and one that isn't tied to FB like Whatsapp is. It's a little easier to use than Signal. It has a working desktop and mobile client and works across platforms unlike, say, iMessage. That said I don't think it's end-to-end encrypted outside of special features and I also don't think they do much moderation, but idk. It's not just for shitheads. I've never encountered one in my usage, though they absolutely do exist.
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So I don't know if this is the right place for this, but this thread seems to be the closest thing. This is kind of my cry for help. I'm having trouble processing just how off the deep end people on the Right are getting thanks to Fox News and the like. One of my coworkers is constantly going off with utterly crazy stuff and accusing me of being in an echo chamber for saying otherwise. Stuff he says: Republicans don't want to ban gay marriage, abortion, contraceptives, Muslim immigration, trans rights, and on and on. Democrats are more worried about pronouns than the fact that the planet is on fire. Systemic racism doesn't exist. Democrats are too far left. Republicans haven't moved. Democrats are violent and oppress Conservatives. I'm just having trouble finding the point in life if half the country is this far gone. What are we going to do? I'll show him counter examples and he just goes, "Nope. Fake. All fake." What is the point? Travic fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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Travic posted:So I don't know if this is the right place for this, but this thread seems to be the closest thing. This is kind of my cry for help. Forget about him. It's not half the country, but it is a larger group than it should be. You need to focus on the things that make you happy and make you feel worthwhile. You can't fix or save others who have chosen that path.
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Travic posted:I'll show him counter examples and he just goes, "Nope. Fake. All fake." What is the point? There isn't one. Stop. You cannot reason with someone who did not reason themselves into their position. They don't care.
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Jaxyon posted:Forget about him. It's not half the country, but it is a larger group than it should be. I try, but it feels like playing the violin as the Titanic sinks. They're burning this country to the ground. I can try to make myself happy, but I know we're doomed. Its crazy because he'll talk about his positions and he'll say he votes conservative because he supports gay rights, and minority rights, and we should do something about global warming, and guns. Which makes no goddamn sense. Somehow has become convinced the Democrats are the ones stopping those things. Travic fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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Elon is just mad about pronouns because he wanted to name his kid xir/xim. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1601996402648915970?t=2Zvst7EvZzG9CWdjsqqjEQ&s=19 oh gently caress off rand, your not gonna have your stupid rear end inquestion. Travic posted:So I don't know if this is the right place for this, but this thread seems to be the closest thing. This is kind of my cry for help. poo poo like this is why i am glad my dad is sorta liberterian more then conservative, like he definetly is and we dont agree on various stuff but he loving hates the gross poo poo the GOP does and how it doesnt focus on like lower taxes or getting rid of weird housing regulations(like private home bathroom mirror height poo poo)
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Travic posted:I try, but it feels like playing the violin as the Titanic sinks. They're burning this country to the ground. I can try to make myself happy, but I know we're doomed. You are not going to be able to reason with someone who is beyond reason, as has already been said. The GOP has been beyond blatant that they are against all of those things. There's something wrong with your coworker and the politics are just a symptom.
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Travic posted:So I don't know if this is the right place for this, but this thread seems to be the closest thing. This is kind of my cry for help. Sadly, this stuff is highly effective. Doesn't sound like there's much you can do with this particular guy. FWIW, I use humor whenever possible and do the thing where simply use silence and let the person talk themselves into a corner. A lot of times, they're looking for a reaction or a confrontation and are kind of lost when they don't get it. Like those types that wear those edgy t-shirts about "IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY THIS FLAG" or whatever. They're basically immune to accusations of hypocrisy, so that's out. On occasion, I've poo poo a few people up or at least gotten them to stop short by reminding them that most people want the same things and we're not as divided as THEY want us to be. I'll point out every once in a while that everyone wants: quality education, a living wage, clean air, safe food, a functioning infrastructure, affordable healthcare, world peace, respect, retirement, freedom, opportunity, free time, drinking water, safety and security, etc. When one looks at that, they can realize that we have more in common than not. The word "They" can carry some water and do some heavy lifting on occasion as a talking point/buzz word because everyone knows who THEY are - or thinks they do. Everyone has a they. Problem is though that for a lot of people like your coworker, "they" = the Jews, the Muslims, the Gays, the blacks or anyone not like them. And then we start to have problems and poo poo gets ugly. Sometimes I'll ask them what "The Gay Agenda" is, "who runs Antifa" or something like that and maybe ask them to explain what socialism is and which Democrats/States/Cities do that. The I'll segue into what they think of our socialist military, police and fire departments or something but it's usually a lost cause and the the best I can generally hope for is asking them enough poo poo to get them to shut the gently caress up and think while also demonstrating to them that, even as a liberal, I'm a human being that wants the same things that they do. At least ultimately ot at their core. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Dec 13, 2022 |
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Travic posted:I know we're doomed. But we're not. Right Wing Media Idiocy that's grabbed about 1/4 to 1/3 of the population (where the median age is old) will eventually fail as long as we continue to do what we can to support the younger generations, who are so much more lefty than any generation previous. Focus not on the few who are unreachable; focus on the more who are already on the side of good.
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Travic posted:"Republicans don't want to ban gay marriage, abortion, contraceptives, Muslim immigration, trans rights, and on and on." - Coworker These are half true. Republicans don't really want to police these people; ultimately, they just don't want them to exist. Also they don't actually want to ban abortions and contraceptives, they just don't really care if access is heavily gated and/or incredibly dangerous for women. Travic posted:"Democrats are more worried about pronouns than the fact that the planet is on fire." - Coworker Eh. A lot of the shittier democrats pay lipservice to social progress to avoid tackling other issues, but there's no reason they can't do both. With dems at least their attitudes towards LGBTQ people trends towards apathy or "how do I exploit for donations, votes, and most importantly: donations!" The rest though is jusy batshit lol. Your coworker's brain is rotten and you're probably not significant enough to him to be the one to change that, if he's even got someone in his life like that. It's really not your duty, though. Stand up to him but don't feel obligated to even try to change his mind.
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That guy is lying to you dude, there is no way he believes the GOP isn't trying to ban abortion, that is impossible. As for why he would do that, most likely because he doesn't want to admit his real reasons for voting Republican so rather than having to say "yeah their abortion stuff is bad, BUT x y and z are more important so I have to support them anyway" and defend that, he can just 'win' the conversation by insisting Republicans would never do that. The bills they're passing to ban it? Fake news. Videos of them saying they're banning it? Fake news. Fake news. Fake news. Just don't bother. He's lying to your face, you can't reason with that. He doesn't respect you.
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They enjoy arguing and like to feel angry all the time. They don’t care what the argument is about and they’re only interested in keeping it going without conceding anything. I had one tell me the us border patrol had been ordered to help 100,000 immigrants sneak into the US every month, who were then put on secret airplanes and flown into major cities. I pointed out that this would mean that the us population would be growing by over a million people a year from immigration alone, and there are only 300 million people in the us, and wouldn’t he notice if there were suddenly tens of thousands of Hondurans etc in our city. He stopped for a minute and said that they were probably splitting up the loads of people into small towns all over the us to hide their numbers. It’s like arguing with a child.
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I AM GRANDO posted:They enjoy arguing and like to feel angry all the time. They don’t care what the argument is about and they’re only interested in keeping it going without conceding anything. The US population could be growing by over one million immigrants per year and you'd absolutely not notice or care, because that would mean roughly, for every 300 people you see, there'd be one additional person. You wouldn't notice, and you couldn't notice, and it wouldn't make a single whit of difference to anyone.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's becoming increasingly clear that he's one of those supremely privileged guys who got stuck in a particular mindset in his early 20s and never had reason or need to ever grow or mature beyond it. Not hard to understand why his kids can't stand to be around him. He doesn't act like an idiot in their early 20s. Like his arrested development is so severe that you're giving him too much credit. At best he acts like a high schooler, at worst an edgy 12 year old. Like Eon Musk is indistinguishable from some of the people I knew in elementary and high school just a grown-rear end-man with billions of dollars instead of some idiot in the lunchroom that everyone tried toa void.
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I AM GRANDO posted:I had one tell me the us border patrol had been ordered to help 100,000 immigrants sneak into the US every month, who were then put on secret airplanes and flown into major cities. A lot of immigrants are put on planes and flown to major cities, because they're being flown to stay with family members or people that they know who live in the US already. The RWM is just telling multiple lies, that these are undocumented immigrants, that the flights are being done in secret, or that the purpose of the flights is to overrun small towns to replace white people and commit crimes. PT6A posted:The US population could be growing by over one million immigrants per year and you'd absolutely not notice or care, because that would mean roughly, for every 300 people you see, there'd be one additional person. You wouldn't notice, and you couldn't notice, and it wouldn't make a single whit of difference to anyone. And also this. Like yeah, if they sent one million immigrants to my small town of 8,000 people, it would be extremely noticeable. But not all of these million immigrants are going to the same place, they're going all over the country. And you're not going to notice ten thousand new people in New York City.
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I AM GRANDO posted:They enjoy arguing and like to feel angry all the time. They don’t care what the argument is about and they’re only interested in keeping it going without conceding anything. This is why I just don't engage with chuds and people brainwashed by them anymore. I can walk them through why their perspective makes no sense step by step, but because it challenges their worldview, even in the most amicable situation they'll say "we'll agree to disagree". It's just better to save your breath and refuse to indulge them. I had to do it to my own mom. When she goes on her RWM-fueled rants I just go "mmm. Mmmhmm. I see" until she's done. There have been a few times where I've told her to knock it off because she's let herself become so deluded (I think the last time was the whole "Dr. Seuss/Potato Head" issues "eroding family values" or something and I could not stop myself from telling her how asinine that was). My dad is similar, but he's more receptive to counterpoints and other perspectives-- I can get him to fully agree with some of my socialist views if I just don't say they're socialist. But when it comes to randos in the workplace/in public, it's always better to just not engage and save your patience for more important things than lost causes.
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I mean if so many immigrants were flooding into the country, then the good pay and benefits from 'the trades' would implode overnight. Not to mention that the costs of landscaping, restaurant service, hotels, and home renovations would suddenly get really cheap as there would be enormous competition for labor. Conservative arguments are often just intended to insult, invalidate, and mock their opponents vs pushing a genuine concept. That's why they are often nonsensical or contradictory. They want to make the left look petty, hypersensitive, naive, and simultaneously controlling, evil, and out to get them. One of my chud coworkers is CONVINCED liberals hate that he is a happy freedom loving gun owning conservative that they're deliberately making crime go out of control and make him wear a face diaper to drag him down a peg. Any other possible reason is a lie, is fake, it's all about going after them. In spite of the paranoia I bet to some extent its a comforting belief. He never needs to change, it's the world that is wrong and out to get him.
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Twelve by Pies posted:And also this. Like yeah, if they sent one million immigrants to my small town of 8,000 people, it would be extremely noticeable. But not all of these million immigrants are going to the same place, they're going all over the country. And you're not going to notice ten thousand new people in New York City. Right, but then that would get absurdly expensive (how do you ensure that that many people get split up roughly evenly around the country?), and the more people who you involve in anything like this, the harder it is to keep it secret. It's the same issue with the voter fraud bullshit about bussing loads of immigrants from polling place to polling place in California. It gets super expensive, and the more you do it, the more likely it is that someone who is in on it or approached to be in on it blabs about the whole thing. And if you try to do it enough to get millions of extra votes, it's just not plausible for it to remain secret. That logic doesn't always help, as there's a lot of magical thinking about how the "deep state" is supremely powerful and also incredibly weak, but it does convince some people who are still capable of thinking things through.
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PT6A posted:The US population could be growing by over one million immigrants per year and you'd absolutely not notice or care, because that would mean roughly, for every 300 people you see, there'd be one additional person. You wouldn't notice, and you couldn't notice, and it wouldn't make a single whit of difference to anyone.
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