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Terrible Robot posted:The third book features a bounty hunter that flies a modified Sukhoi SU-47 that has a galley and a holding cell for prisoners like loving Boba Fett. And he's one of the good guys. Because the Su-34 doesn't have these cool-looking forward swept wings. ArchangeI posted:a staunch [partisan] who manages to get Congress to support [issue] by holding a speech that has literally nothing to do with [issue] Seems believable to me.
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Q_res posted:Also remember a book (or series of books) where something had rendered jet/rocket engines completely unusable. I think it had somehow zapped computers and poo poo too. So it was the modern world, but everyone was flying WW2 poo poo. Can't remember the name of that one though. The would be the seventh carrier series of books. http://www.amazon.com/Return-Seventh-Carrier-Peter-Albano/dp/0821720937/ref=pd_sim_b_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=128S113KXYT843NX96ZE
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No love for Warriors? http://www.amazon.com/Warriors-Barrett-Tillman/dp/0553287354 Israel nukes KSA because Saudi F-20s kill Israeli Eagles too well. I seem to remember another WWIII milporn jerk fest that had many US M-113s being lit up by Iranian forces with AP loads in their service rifles, but cannot recall the title. I would like to read it again, because I remember it being truly awful.
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Sjurygg posted:Were the M-113's flown underneath A-10's by any chance? gently caress that guy in every way possible. In fact, let him fly a loving shipping container into a contested LZ.
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May 21, 2014 10:53
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"Battle Boxes" dude. General Gavin would have approved
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Sjurygg posted:Were the M-113's flown underneath A-10's by any chance? I'm pretty sure the AeroGavins could fly just fine on their own.
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FrozenVent posted:Moving away from milporn and into gun porn, I hope TFR is aware of this masterpiece; it has lovingly crafted descriptions of guns and... Ah, it's worth a read. EARL SWAGGER
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ming-the-mazdaless posted:No love for Warriors? I was wondering when the Barrett Tillman stuff would get a mention. Also surprised that Stephen Coonts and Larry Bond werent mentioned either. On Coonts, skipping Flight of the Intruder, there was the whole ramming an F-14 into a transport in one book, Americans flying Su-25's (without any actual training or handover) in another book and an entire book about the spies in the A-12 procurement program. I'm sure I'm missing out other stupid plots, but thats a start. [edit] Also, AeroGavins made me laugh.
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Vindolanda posted:EARL SWAGGER Hahaha. Point of Impact was mildly passable if you ignored the page long descriptions of a single type of gun or why a person was enamored with it etc. I say that as reading it when I was 19 or so though. I really should see how well it held up to the test of time. I guess they made that Marc Wahlberg movie off of it which was meh.
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Don't forget Traitor, by Ralph Peters. It's a book about how the F-35 is an expensive failure that doesn't work and the procurement process is a corrupt, broken failure. Main villains include evil private contractors and LockMart. Published in 1999.
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^  awesomeSuicide Watch posted:Gray Eagles. Basically bunch of Luftwaffe veterans get their hands on restored bf109s and try to exact revenge for the war. They also fight the Confederate Air Force in p-51s. Yeah. I was actually kind of bored by this tangent, hot drat I need to read this.
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Pornographic Memory posted:I'm pretty sure the AeroGavins could fly just fine on their own. Just give them a lift fan. Smiling Jack posted:Don't forget Traitor, by Ralph Peters. It's a book about how the F-35 is an expensive failure that doesn't work and the procurement process is a corrupt, broken failure. Main villains include evil private contractors and LockMart.
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Vindolanda posted:EARL SWAGGER Point of Impact was a fine book as far as light entertainment goes. Then I got Pale Horse Coming and it was just too much. A lot too much. Still, the funniest thing Stephen Hunter has ever written was his indictment of the Bourne series for glorifying violence, among other things, all while Shooter was either newly out or about to come out. Talk about sour grapes.
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Cat Mattress posted:Just give them a lift fan. Ralph Peters kinda went crazy post 9/11.
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KingPave posted:Larry Bond this is the Airpower/Cold War thread, not the container-ship full of RUSSIANS(!!!) thread.
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Psion posted:this is the Airpower/Cold War thread, not the container-ship full of RUSSIANS(!!!) thread.  Actually that was a LASH ship and uh... Oh wait you're not talking about Red Storm Rising.
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World in Conflict? Hinds in shipping containers, taking off to attack Seattle, at that. Oh, and a armored division or two, in said shipping containers. Unloading unnoticed while WW3 is ongoing. (World in Conflict is awesome)
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I read Unintended Consequences and liked it when I was younger and dumb 
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Pimpmust posted:World in Conflict? Captain Bannon  (Agree WiC is the poo poo)
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Mortabis posted:Captain Bannon  My only real issue with that plot was that they dealt with Bannon nicely only for to then roll with a bunch of flashback missions that had him in rear end in a top hat mode again which did ruin it somewhat. Still a really great game and I still wish it would get a sequel some day. Concordat posted:It's really sad that the devs didn't get to make the HAWX that their design docs had, basically Jagged Alliance with airplanes instead of ground soldiers. Well it certainly would've been better than the semi-schizophrenic "We want to be Ace Combat except now we don't and now we do" thing they had going for large parts before it just went limp.
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Terrible Robot posted:The third book features a bounty hunter that flies a modified Sukhoi SU-47 that has a galley and a holding cell for prisoners like loving Boba Fett. And he's one of the good guys. I know that you mean a galley for cooking, but my brain insists on giving me images of banks of slaves rowing mightily to make his plane go.
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Smiling Jack posted:Ralph Peters kinda went crazy post 9/11. Its a shame how that happened to so many authors.
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Agean90 posted:Its a shame how that happened to the entire US. ftfy
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ming-the-mazdaless posted:
One of the later aforementioned Guardians books, after they started getting bad, featured someone with an H&K CAWS loading depleted uranium sabot rounds taking out light armor. So if you start reading that series, stop when you get to that point. Some of Larry Bond's stuff was delightfully absurd as well. South Africa invades Namibia, Cuba declares war on South Africa and invades via Angola, South Africa nukes the Cubans with a bomb they built with help from the Isralis (Vela incident ahoy!), the US and Britain declare war on South Africa (thus making them both allies of Cuba). There's a Ranger raid on the South African uranium centrifuges, an artillery duel between an Iowa and Table Mountain, it's delightful.
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Joe Buff's books are pretty great submarine porn since it's all about super-high tech subs duking it out in a war between NATO and a resurgent German monarchy allied with a psuedo apartheid South Africa(yeah). Tactical nukes end up being tossed around like candy.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Joe Buff's books are pretty great submarine porn since it's all about super-high tech subs duking it out in a war between NATO and a resurgent German monarchy allied with a psuedo apartheid South Africa(yeah). Tactical nukes end up being tossed around like candy. Was that the one where the subs were operating around 15,000 feet deep, and featured a submarine battle under some ice shelf in Antarctica?
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LostCosmonaut posted:Was that the one where the subs were operating around 15,000 feet deep, and featured a submarine battle under some ice shelf in Antarctica? Maybe? The 15,000 feet sounds about right but I can't remember the Antarctica part.
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Smiling Jack posted:Don't forget Traitor, by Ralph Peters. It's a book about how the F-35 is an expensive failure that doesn't work and the procurement process is a corrupt, broken failure. Main villains include evil private contractors and LockMart. haha.....hahahaha
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ArchangeI posted:Shame he died, though, because you can be sure he'd have a book out right now where hypernationalistic Russians leave NATO and invade Ukraine. You realize this was basically the newest Clancy book right?. It's basically Russia invades Ukraine and Jack Ryan saves the day. quote:The last Tom Clancy book, Command Authority, published last year, is all about Russian aggression against its former satellites. Dialogue on p. 70: http://www.amazon.com/Command-Authority-Jack-Ryan-Clancy/dp/0399160477/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400734121&sr=8-1&keywords=clancy http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/372469/no-one-could-have-predicted-except-tom-clancy-did-jim-geraghty
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Harvey Black released the last part of his Cold War turned hot trilogy a couple of weeks ago. The guy's ex-British Army intel and served with BRIXMIS, the UK component of NATO's Liaision Mission on the Red side of the Iron Curtain. Suffice to say that he gets the technical and operational details of a mid-1980s shooting war right, which IMO puts him up there with Peters as far as this particular niche of techno-thrillers go. Of course it's not high culture lit, his characterisation's p. weak, but if any of you are in need of a good ol' WWIII milwank I'd recommend shelling out the lousy ~10GBlbs or 15 bucks or so on Kindle.
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Phanatic posted:Best cheesy Cold War fiction I ever read was the first few books of the Guardians series. First one has this amazing set-piece battle between two armored cars and an AC-130 that's stuck on the ground. And it's actually really well written for airport-bookstore-level stuff. The scene where they're sitting under the White House and the bombs are falling is amazing. Later ones got ridiculous, and had actual magic and poo poo in them, but the first one at least is solid. Dead Reckoning posted:From what I remember of high school technothrillers, Clancy didn't hold a candle to Dale Brown in batshit lunacy. Flight of the Old Dog: SUPER STEALTH B-52 makes an unauthorized, solo incursion into Soviet space to destroy SOVIET SUPER LASTER. Silver Tower: America has a space based super laser. It lasers things. Gets visited by Soviet space planes armed with missiles. Day of the Cheetah: Thought controlled super fighter is stolen by the Soviets. Has sick-nasty dogfights with a "totally not an F-15 ACTIVE". F-16XL cameo appearances. In my mind Day of the Cheetah is totally an Ace Combat book. Psion posted:this is the Airpower/Cold War thread, not the container-ship full of RUSSIANS(!!!) thread. In conclusion: Xerxes17 posted:Matthew Riley is a Australian treasure and I will hear no words against him
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Let me tell you about one of my favorite Cold War aircraft, the F-104G Starfighter.  Basically, the Luftwaffe wanted an F-16 in a time before the Viper. Light and cheap, yet able to do many things. High-altitude intercept against Soviet bombers, supersonic high-altitude and transonic low-level strike (including nuclear), naval strike (when flown by the Marineflieger, aka German Naval Aviation) and reconnaissance. This left the cockpit a bit cramped.  A contributing factor was German access to nukes under NATO sharing, because German conservatives like Franz-Josef Strauss had a hard-on for something that could "carry nukes all the way to the Urals". Understandable French reluctance to share their nukes with the Germans heavily worked against the competing Mirage III. So LM a fair-weather high altitude interceptor and slapped on a lot of stuff. Doppler radar, toss computer for throwing nukes, autopilot, full radio nav suite, you name it. Also bombs. A lot of bombs. This is how Lockheed marketed the plane:   Not that it actually flew that way. Unfortunately a lot of problems ganged up on the poor F-104G, leading to the Germans losing 30% of their aircraft to accidents and killing over 100 pilots. Besides mechanical problems, lack of experience, rumored problems with licensed production and training standards, the Luftwaffe also drove their Starfighter very hard. Some anecdotes: Mike Schmitt posted:I've been flying border traces in my OH-58 Scout helicoptor and have F104 pilots fly UNDER me - I've seen them fly UNDER high bridges - I've seen them PULL UP to come over a hill - and almost take my antenna off my track. LT Scott A. Norton, USN posted:During a NATO exercise I was in, they liked to fly supersonic on the deck, frightening us poor ship drivers. One day, a 104 flew under a LAMPS helo that was on final for recoverey on it frigate. The US admiral said "NEGAT" to any further 104 flights in the area.
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Was there ever any prospect of West Germany getting -105s? I'd bet they would have been a much better fit for the low level strike role. (Obviously, they'd need to grab something else for the air defense role, but still.)
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FrozenVent posted:From Wikipedia: It made a great video game, though. It even came with a 150 or so page manual just to fly the thing. 7 year old me loved that aspect.  e: I took the manual to school to read during our designated reading time 
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:It even came with a 150 or so page manual just to fly the thing. That's a pretty good manual, but Microprose had the best sims / manuals. ... until the 3-ring binder Falcon 4.0 manual, I mean drat.
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LostCosmonaut posted:Was there ever any prospect of West Germany getting -105s? One of the goals of the Starfighter purchase was reducing the number of aircraft types in German service (F-86, RF-84, Hawker Seahawk). Having the same engine and cell for all variants (vanilla, naval aviation and reconaissance) was one of the central requirements of the competition, so any multi-aircraft solution was right out. The goal was not simply standardized aircraft in Germany, but ideally standardized aircraft across most of Europe. Also, the F-105 was larger, probably would have cost more and had slightly less range in a nuclear strike role (maybe 100km with full droptank complement, I'd have to research the exact ranges). The F-104G had a lot of avionics comparable to the F-105, especially the nav and bombing systems. The requirements for the German fighter competition, loosely translated from a Bundeswehr history paper: Autonomous intercept of a Mach 1+ target, reaching 30000 feet within 3 minutes after beginning the takeoff roll, all while carrying anti-air missiles. Nuclear or conventional strike with a 1000kg payload, at least 800 km range at high altitude and high supersonic speed, or at least several hundred km of low-level penetration at transonic speeds (Mach 0.8-1.2). Reconnaissance variant should deliver equal or better results as the RF-84F at ranges of at least 1000km. The airframe and mission payload were also required to be built in Germany under license (Germany aiming to restore its aviation industry after losing its expertise in WW2). Overall the F-104G was probably the best bet as a cheap solution for these bloated requirements. Not that it mattered much, as nuclear-tipped missiles eliminated made most of these requirements (intercepting Soviet bombers, dropping tactical nukes from fighters) largely irrelevant. Sadly, the F-104 legacy is probably more political (it shook up cold-war era politics quite a lot) than military or technological.
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Insert name here posted:Yo I'm going to need a link to this book series now thanks! Right here: https://www.goodreads.com/series/55850-the-guardians
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Insert name here posted:Flight of the Old Dog: SUPER STEALTH B-52 makes an unauthorized, solo incursion into Soviet space to destroy SOVIET SUPER LASTER. They're all Ace Combat books. Flight of the Old Dog: AC5's "Solitare/Enclosure" (PC's disavowed squadron launches a recon and bombing mission to bury nuclear warheads in their own underground cave storage) mixed with Stonehenge and/or Excalibur Silver Tower: Pretty much AC5's Arkbird Day of the Cheetah: A major bit of AC3 Electrosphere is that all planes are thought controlled, but with no ejection seats. Incidentally advanced variants of F-15s and F-16s also appear in that game, with names like "Eagle+" and "Sakerfalcon". Now I'm wondering how much influence the one has over the other. The head writer for AC: Assault Horizon, Jim DeFelice, also wrote these sorts of mil-crazy fiction books, and he mentioned he was a fan of Ace Combat and wanted to write a Strangereal story before learning the company planned to set the story in the real world. But, for example, do you suppose the scenario designers for the Arkbird ever read Silver Tower? Or AC6's Aigaion and its predecessors were influenced by Flight of the Old Dog?
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