il serpente cosmico posted:

Wait a sec, how would you parry without something that has the parry skill?

Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah lots of people had trouble with one of those guys on the bridge, but I got it first time so I was like aww yeah I'm so cool.

Then I get to two of them

Holy poo poo I don't know how you're supposed to solo those guys. I ended up summoning help. Crazy hard.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Hey I just met that...uh...trap in the Cathedral, and I'm confused.

I want to cross the bridge that got lowered, but I cannot for the life of me find the switch. Where the gently caress is the switch? This is the Patches bridge

Glenn_Beckett posted:

How the gently caress do you get back to the dancer fight if you home boned out

Glenn_Beckett posted:

How the gently caress do you get back to the dancer fight if you home boned out

Mimingless posted:

It's right across from Vordt. The room where you got the banner at the very beginning.

Internet Kraken posted:

Can I just kill Siegward in Undead Settlement to get his armour?

Genocyber posted:

The katana stance skill has r2 become a parry.

il serpente cosmico posted:

Huh, for some reason I thought it was just a generic upward strike

quote:

Skill: Hold
Assume a holding stance to rapidly execute a lunging slash with a normal attack, or a deflecting parry with the strong attack.

SqueePower posted:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3771816&userid=176209

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Amazing at how much I didn't discover my first time around. I just met the Covenant Leader at the Cathedral, didn't even know that was a thing until my second go through. I loved the rafter sequence; I made all the knights run off to their own deaths.

homeless poster posted:

if i am reading the sparse info online correctly, then the "armor" value that you see when you are comparing pieces of armor (3.1 or 12.5 or 9.2 or whatever) is the flat reduction that is taken off of each attack. so if an attack does 100 damage and you have a total of 20 armor, you take 80 damage. then, the percentage that you see after the armor number is additional mitigation that gets applied to this reduced number, so if you have 20 / 20% and you take 100 damage, you reduce the damage by 20 first, and then reduce the 80 by another 20%, and that's the total damage you take.

the thing is, it seems like there's not a lot of variation between the armor value on the lightest, piece of crap armor, and the heaviest fat-rolling armor. for example, the lightest headgear has an armor score of .5 (pyro crown) and the heaviest has an armor score of 5.8 (havel's). assuming the game rounds fractions up to nearest whole numbers, on a 100 damage attack, that's the difference between taking 99 points of damage, and taking 94 points of damage. chest armor gets a little more competitive, where the lowest armor score is 2.7 (master's) and the highest is 16.2 (havel's again) so on a 100 damage attack, that's the difference between taking 97 points of damage, and taking 84 points of damage.

now, that might seem like wow, if you just stack all the heaviest armor, you could get a 100 damage attack down to less than half the actual damage! which might be true, but keep in mind that's a 100 damage attack, and the damage reduction from armor is a flat reduction. most boss attacks (the damage most people would care the most about) is dealing way more than 100 points of damage per hit. taking a 1000 damage attack and reducing it to 944 damage doesn't seem like such a big deal, especially if you don't even have 944 health while in full ember mode.

so to me, all this is showing is that armor is somewhat useful if you expect that your enemy is going to be using light weapons with fast, low damage attacks, because the flat damage reduction gets you the most bang for your buck there, but it's pretty much useless if you're more interested in trying to protect against bigger, slower power hits, because the flat reduction is less beneficial.

there's poise too, but again from what i can glean online, it seems like poise works differently than other DS games / than people would expect. people are thinking in DS3 poise is just added to your iframes if your attack offers hyper armor (say a greatsword r2) so that your attack now has slightly more hyper armor and so if you go to trade a hit with someone, you're more likely to win the trade and now you can follow up with the rest of your combo. but it doesn't seem like poise is actively letting you just walk into an oncoming attack and ignore said attack and start up your own attack animation.

Genocyber posted:

The Lord of Hats posted:

Ahah! At long last, I have escaped from shitswamp! And there's a bonfire, too!

Oh, hey, a boss fight! And it's those dudes from the intro, with the sweet helmet hats! Alright, time for some mano-a-mano figh--ohsweetjesusthere'smorethanone

This is the point in the game where I actually need to straight up Git Gud, isn't it? These guys do not seem like they're going to have a Vordt style exploitable weakness or be a Greatoak puzzleboss.

The Lord of Hats posted:

Ahah! At long last, I have escaped from shitswamp! And there's a bonfire, too!

Oh, hey, a boss fight! And it's those dudes from the intro, with the sweet helmet hats! Alright, time for some mano-a-mano figh--ohsweetjesusthere'smorethanone

This is the point in the game where I actually need to straight up Git Gud, isn't it? These guys do not seem like they're going to have a Vordt style exploitable weakness or be a Greatoak puzzleboss.

a cop posted:

I cant believe I'm still getting constant invasions in the cathedral at level 56. Some people are overlevelled as gently caress in this.

NGDBSS posted:

Apparently you can. I'm guessing you're trying to get it early, then? It's possible to buy it later (to give back to him) or to gain it at the end of his questline, of course.

Genocyber posted:

There is a trick to the fight that makes it much easier.

Every other watcher spawned starting with the third is an ally and will attack the others.

Alan Smithee posted:

Is the distant manor bonfire seriously the closest one to pontiff Sullivahn? That's a longass run

Tamayachi posted:

Admittedly I didn't pay too much attention about them, but the red eyed ones will attack you first if you're close unless they get hit by the boss, I'm wondering why? You've got the ones trying to kill you, then you have those ones that are basically like the chaos purple bros, is there any lore reason behind it? Or is it just "Some are more crazy than others"

Alan Smithee posted:

Is the distant manor bonfire seriously the closest one to pontiff Sullivahn? That's a longass run

Sergeant_Crunch posted:

I really miss Lifedrain Patch from 2. Killing your host after a boss fight was never not satisfying. Is there any way to gently caress over your host in this game outside of pulling a ton of enemies that anyone has found?

a cop posted:

I cant believe I'm still getting constant invasions in the cathedral at level 56. Some people are overlevelled as gently caress in this.

Soft Shell Crab posted:

They should have made the first chest you find one of those top 5 most annoying enemies in the game chest monsters so you are always wary of opening a chest but never actually have to fight them.

Glenn_Beckett posted:

Jesus loving Christ.

homeless poster posted:

if i am reading the sparse info online correctly, then the "armor" value that you see when you are comparing pieces of armor (3.1 or 12.5 or 9.2 or whatever) is the flat reduction that is taken off of each attack. so if an attack does 100 damage and you have a total of 20 armor, you take 80 damage. then, the percentage that you see after the armor number is additional mitigation that gets applied to this reduced number, so if you have 20 / 20% and you take 100 damage, you reduce the damage by 20 first, and then reduce the 80 by another 20%, and that's the total damage you take.

the thing is, it seems like there's not a lot of variation between the armor value on the lightest, piece of crap armor, and the heaviest fat-rolling armor. for example, the lightest headgear has an armor score of .5 (pyro crown) and the heaviest has an armor score of 5.8 (havel's). assuming the game rounds fractions up to nearest whole numbers, on a 100 damage attack, that's the difference between taking 99 points of damage, and taking 94 points of damage. chest armor gets a little more competitive, where the lowest armor score is 2.7 (master's) and the highest is 16.2 (havel's again) so on a 100 damage attack, that's the difference between taking 97 points of damage, and taking 84 points of damage.

now, that might seem like wow, if you just stack all the heaviest armor, you could get a 100 damage attack down to less than half the actual damage! which might be true, but keep in mind that's a 100 damage attack, and the damage reduction from armor is a flat reduction. most boss attacks (the damage most people would care the most about) is dealing way more than 100 points of damage per hit. taking a 1000 damage attack and reducing it to 944 damage doesn't seem like such a big deal, especially if you don't even have 944 health while in full ember mode.

so to me, all this is showing is that armor is somewhat useful if you expect that your enemy is going to be using light weapons with fast, low damage attacks, because the flat damage reduction gets you the most bang for your buck there, but it's pretty much useless if you're more interested in trying to protect against bigger, slower power hits, because the flat reduction is less beneficial.