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KoB
May 1, 2009
I'd go ahead and assume Lowes is lying about that 95%.

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BouncingBuckyBalls
Feb 15, 2011

Dead Pikachu posted:

It was an interesting day of interviews! Everyone wants me, feels so good. Walmart wanted to offer me a Service Desk Manager position, and after doing research on that, they'd have to pay me more than $10 an hour for that amount of stress. gently caress Walmart. HD is offering me a part time position in their Merchandising team, which is what I have the most experience doing, I'd get weekends and nights off. Lowe's is seasonal (with 95% chance of being hired on after the season's over) with *potentially* 39 hours a week, but I'd have to work every weekend and a varied shift. They both start at $9.50 hr.

So goons, which would you choose? Less money, more life? *potentially* More money, less life?

I'm leaning towards HD because I like life more than money and my significant other helps pay my bills.

Go HD as it seems to be the most stable long term.
Lowes will make a seasonal employee permanent depending on their budget which will change by decision time. I was in a store that took on over 20 seasonal staff and could only keep three at the end of their summer season. Both places are great to work for and only poor managers bring down your spirits if they exist in your store. Don't try for Lowe's if you need the position to be permanent after summer ends and I would take HD which will start you in a permanent position. Also the "potentially" 39 hours will not be 39 if the budget needs to be cut on slower weeks. I left Lowes when it entered the current phase of trying to increase profits. Sales have not been as impressive as a few years ago when they were beating out Home Depot prices in my area and then the stores in my district started running on the bare minimum of a crew for Tues-Thurs when it was not the Christmas rush or it's not April-July. Basically take HD.

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

Today is going to suck. Snowstorm tomorrow with the potential to dump a foot of snow on us (on top of the 6ft we've gotten in the past month) and next week is a school vacation week here in Massachusetts so parents will be doubly stocking up. Thankfully my shift is over at 4, I genuinely feel sorry for the night crew.

Corkscrew
May 20, 2001

Nothing happened. I'm Julius Pepperwood. Let it go.

Dead Pikachu posted:

It was an interesting day of interviews! Everyone wants me, feels so good. Walmart wanted to offer me a Service Desk Manager position, and after doing research on that, they'd have to pay me more than $10 an hour for that amount of stress. gently caress Walmart. HD is offering me a part time position in their Merchandising team, which is what I have the most experience doing, I'd get weekends and nights off. Lowe's is seasonal (with 95% chance of being hired on after the season's over) with *potentially* 39 hours a week, but I'd have to work every weekend and a varied shift. They both start at $9.50 hr.

So goons, which would you choose? Less money, more life? *potentially* More money, less life?

I'm leaning towards HD because I like life more than money and my significant other helps pay my bills.

The MET (Merchandising Execution Team) at Home Depot has its up and downs. Your main responsibility is going to be shelf maintenance, bay decontamination (putting things back where they belong and getting rid of things that don't belong), price changes and relabeling, and basically maintaining store appearance. You'll do some product resets, though the major upheavals like spring reset and Christmas are mainly done by the overnight MET team in your area.

On the plus side, it's low on customer interaction. You are not expected, and actually actively discouraged, from outright selling customers things. If you're asked where something is you should know or help the customer find someone who does but if you're asked questions about products or anything more in depth than that you're directed to find a sales associate. You'll work throughout the store, as MET services every bay in the store at least twice every quarter, so there's variety to what you do. The hours, as you mentioned, are pretty cushy. Plus, if you ever want to move to being a regular associate there doesn't seem to be any major barriers.

Downside is that you are the boogeyman for all the ills of the sales floor. Price labels weren't changed properly? MET team hosed up. Bays set wrong? MET team hosed up. There can be a lot of blame heaped on MET that isn't always necessarily deserved (although sometimes it very much is). One reason why is because the work you do is low impact, you tend to work mostly unsupervised once given direction, and you're not expected to help customers directly. Because of all of this the MET team tends to breed laziness. So some of your coworkers may skate on the minimum and not give any fucks. As with any retail job, a lot depends on your leadership team. If you have an rear end-kicker who's fair and doesn't tolerate poo poo like that, you'll be better off. Less promotion opportunities too if that's your thing since you have only one ladder you can climb versus many for regular associates.

HD in general is a pretty good company to work for. They have their faults but they pay competitively (for retail) and assuming you have good leadership they support you and work with you.

Dead Pikachu
Mar 25, 2007

I wish you were real.
Thanks for the tips! I start at Home Depot on Monday. The hours is definitely what sealed the deal for me, and the supervisor I interviewed with seemed like he knew what he was talking about because we talked for nearly an hour. Back to retail I go.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

I worked at THD for almost two years, and it was a decent job. Unless you get just a poo poo manager, it'll be pretty good.

ijii
Mar 17, 2007
I'M APPARENTLY GAY AND MY POSTING SUCKS.
Whelp, I had one hell of a week this week. We're supposed to have about 300 hours for a department, but we only have about 270 covered due to someone being on vacation. For us, Valentines is somewhat busy, especially the two days leading up to it where people can buy meat and it still be good to eat by the time Saturday (today) hits. We're a two cutters a day store, but due to my manager always taking Thursday and Friday off, and the other cutter being on vacation, I was the only cutter. Also, somehow or some reason, my manager scheduled Thursday and Friday with the least amount of help (missing 11 hours and 7 hours respectively). I made through it, and was looking forward to today where 2 cutters are scheduled and only have 3 hour not covered.

Then I get a phone call less than hour ago... Someone called out sick for an 8 hour shift, and I need to come in later and do my job on a holiday plus close and clean our department all the while having 11 hours again uncovered. I'm getting loving sick of this. I've worked 5 weeks out 6 this year with +48 hours worked. Next week, I'm only scheduled 40 hours next week, but we'll see how it ends up...

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Byzantine posted:

I worked at THD for almost two years, and it was a decent job. Unless you get just a poo poo manager, it'll be pretty good.

I lasted four days before my manager decided I wasn't good enough and kicked me out at 3 am. He assigned me a section I hadn't worked yet and when I asked for help, he blew the gently caress up.

Luckily, I lived across the street, so I stumbled home in tears, nearly killed my cat while unlacing my steel toes (he got caught in the laces and started strangling), and passed out.

That's my Home Depot story :allears:

Faerunner
Dec 31, 2007

Dead Pikachu posted:

Thanks for the tips! I start at Home Depot on Monday. The hours is definitely what sealed the deal for me, and the supervisor I interviewed with seemed like he knew what he was talking about because we talked for nearly an hour. Back to retail I go.

Welcome to the Orange team, buddy. It's gonna be okay. :)

Tyshalle, is your manager the reason we now have to watch anger management videos?

klapman
Aug 27, 2012

this char is good
while I totally understand that taking their kids to restaurants makes for some of the only time the parents dont have to constantly give a poo poo about the insane things they do, i'm not sure i'll ever actually be able to greet a large family with anything but a terrified baring of my teeth that sort of passes as a smile

Baiku
Oct 25, 2011

What do you mean you can't give us open availability 52 weeks a year? OK we're dropping your hours from 12 to 4 hours a week. I just don't understand why you can't quit your other job to give us your full attention.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

klapman posted:

while I totally understand that taking their kids to restaurants makes for some of the only time the parents dont have to constantly give a poo poo about the insane things they do, i'm not sure i'll ever actually be able to greet a large family with anything but a terrified baring of my teeth that sort of passes as a smile

What? When I take my kids out to a restaurant I pay MORE attention to how they're behaving, not less. When we go somewhere for food they get overexcited and silly and need me to focus on them lest they start crawling around under other people's tables and telling complete strangers that they need to poop. I'd feel terrible making it someone else's problem.

Hot Dog Day #82
Jul 5, 2003

Soiled Meat

Fil5000 posted:

What? When I take my kids out to a restaurant I pay MORE attention to how they're behaving, not less. When we go somewhere for food they get overexcited and silly and need me to focus on them lest they start crawling around under other people's tables and telling complete strangers that they need to poop. I'd feel terrible making it someone else's problem.

Also I am far more willing to tip well when my kids are around vs. when they're not. I'm usually pretty generous, but I know that no one wants to deal with a gaggle of toddlers in a restaurant, so whenever we roll out the tips follow as a way to say I'm sorry for the staff having to do a little more cleanup/ leg-work because of us.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Fil5000 posted:

What? When I take my kids out to a restaurant I pay MORE attention to how they're behaving, not less. When we go somewhere for food they get overexcited and silly and need me to focus on them lest they start crawling around under other people's tables and telling complete strangers that they need to poop. I'd feel terrible making it someone else's problem.

I don't take my kids out to almost any restaurants because it is roughly 200% more stressful and frustrating than just ordering delivery and letting them roll around the living room in their underwear or whatever it is they want to do. Restaurants with small kids is hell, because you get them there and then have something like half an hour before food turns up, and by then they're absolutely sick of sitting in place and you've run through the best of your stalling tactics.

klapman
Aug 27, 2012

this char is good

Fil5000 posted:

What? When I take my kids out to a restaurant I pay MORE attention to how they're behaving, not less. When we go somewhere for food they get overexcited and silly and need me to focus on them lest they start crawling around under other people's tables and telling complete strangers that they need to poop. I'd feel terrible making it someone else's problem.

Yeah, and I appreciate it, but not all families are like that. One time I came back to the front to find a 4 year old child tearing up the stuff I had behind the counter, and the mom was just standing around awkwardly and gave me an apologetic smile. Eventually the kid got bored and I cleaned all the stuff up. Now things like this only happen with like 1/5 families, but when you're getting like 20 families through the door every day you start overlooking the good ones and start thinking "oh man, this is gonna be the one, this will be The gently caress. oh god, no, tell me you're going to the pizza place, nooooooooooooooo"

really I just have to find more stuff to bitch about since now my job is actually reasonable. recently i've found myself genuinely disliking the fact that i'm bored from not having to work, and that's insane

Aristophanes
Aug 11, 2012

Quickly, bring me a beaker of wine, so that I may wet my mind and say something clever!
Our store's been underperforming, and everyone's hours have been slashed. It's not our fault that our store is doing so badly - our performance has tanked since this time a year and a half ago, when we moved from a very high-traffic area of the mall to the middle of bumfuck nowhere. To this day we still get phonecalls asking us where we've moved to; we're in that obscure a location. But I've received this month's roster, and there are two weeks I'm only rostered on for 3 hours, and two weeks I'm not rostered on for any at all. I understand that it's the slow season and they can't be rostering me on for 24+ hours like they did in the holiday rush, but this is bleak poo poo.

:sigh: time to start the job hunt again, I guess

Faerunner
Dec 31, 2007
My sister bought me the 2015 Writer's Market guide for my birthday.

I think it's a sign. This year, I will work toward getting the hell out of retail.

PCOS Bill
May 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Faerunner posted:

My sister bought me the 2015 Writer's Market guide for my birthday.

I think it's a sign. This year, I will work toward getting the hell out of retail.

By ... writing? You're adorable.

klapman
Aug 27, 2012

this char is good

PCOS Bill posted:

By ... writing? You're adorable.

I mean, you're more likely to make it big by writing than to make it big by retail

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax

klapman posted:

I mean, you're more likely to make it big by writing than to make it big by retail

I hear Hemingway got his inspiration for A Farewell to Arms from his days as a cashier at Woolworth's.

baquerd
Jul 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

klapman posted:

I mean, you're more likely to make it big by writing than to make it big by retail

That's actually an interesting question. Are there more writers who make nice careers out of it than there are store managers and above who rose through the ranks of retail?

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW
Didnt the Harry potter lady leave a retail store to live in her car and write a childrens book?

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

klapman posted:

I mean, you're more likely to make it big by writing than to make it big by retail

Yeah but let's be real: there are just as many starving artists if not more than starving cashiers. Even Stephen King did retail. So did the fifty shades girl. Point is you are just as likely to strike it big with writing as you are winning the megamillions.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

In thoroughly depressing news, I'm now trying to go full-time at my store while I wait on the military to take me, because I desperately need out of a lovely, poisonous relationship of 8.5 years.

A man cannot survive on sixteen hours a week.

klapman
Aug 27, 2012

this char is good

Irish Joe posted:

I hear Hemingway got his inspiration for A Farewell to Arms from his days as a cashier at Woolworth's.

war and peace was just an allegory of a really, really lovely overtime shift

Cowslips Warren posted:

Yeah but let's be real: there are just as many starving artists if not more than starving cashiers. Even Stephen King did retail. So did the fifty shades girl. Point is you are just as likely to strike it big with writing as you are winning the megamillions.

Yeah for sure, I just meant that in retail it seems like the most you're really likely to get is a job that can keep you on the low end of livable, so it's not that nuts to try writing instead for a while

klapman fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Mar 7, 2015

WarLocke
Jun 6, 2004

You are being watched. :allears:

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

In thoroughly depressing news, I'm now trying to go full-time at my store while I wait on the military to take me, because I desperately need out of a lovely, poisonous relationship of 8.5 years.

A man cannot survive on sixteen hours a week.

Could be worse, you could get 'promoted' without a pay raise. :suicide:

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Cowslips Warren posted:

Yeah but let's be real: there are just as many starving artists if not more than starving cashiers. Even Stephen King did retail. So did the fifty shades girl. Point is you are just as likely to strike it big with writing as you are winning the megamillions.

You don't have to become famous to make more than lovely retail pays by writing for a living. Most professional writers are not famous but can still get by ok. My cousin's blog eventually got him a job as a writer/section editor of a magazine. It pays him a living wage.

Faerunner
Dec 31, 2007
I don't want to be the next Stephen King but there was a whole thread a while back in ask/tell about earning a living off writing porn.... I mean, if other goons can do it, I'm sure I can make money by writing something too. And if not, well, there's still retail.

klapman
Aug 27, 2012

this char is good

Faerunner posted:

I don't want to be the next Stephen King but there was a whole thread a while back in ask/tell about earning a living off writing porn.... I mean, if other goons can do it, I'm sure I can make money by writing something too. And if not, well, there's still retail.

Well hey, if someone tries to marginalize you for writing smut, you can at least shrug and say "it ain't loving retail, is it?", turn 360 degrees and walk away. Like even if you yearn for artistry or whatever the hell, writing smut isn't going to feel worse than working retail.

And you won't have to sit there and look proud as your manager takes you aside for a performance review, and gives you the coveted 15 cent raise after a half hour long interview (that you clock out for). Even after being out of McDonalds for a while that still pisses me off. What kind of nerve do you have to have to expect someone, even someone who doesn't need the money, to look all happy for what amounts to like 10$ more on a bi-weekly paycheck, even assuming a 40 hour work week?


The performance review took place every 3 months, and fifteen cents is the most you can ever get from it. lmao

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009

A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

In thoroughly depressing news, I'm now trying to go full-time at my store while I wait on the military to take me, because I desperately need out of a lovely, poisonous relationship of 8.5 years.

A man cannot survive on sixteen hours a week.

So, if you're willing to join the military in order to get out of your current situation (and I've been there), you should pause for a moment and consider what that actually means.

Specifically, what it means is that you are willing to relocate--anywhere--to do a job which is godawfully tedious and soul-destroying in ways which you might still avoid ever being able to understand, for poo poo pay and benefits which are mediocre at best. Look at the civilian world in the context of jobs you could do under those conditions and you just might find something which would really suit you. Or be better than the military.

Out of all of the time I've spent in entry-level retail and food service, only Wal-Mart was bad enough that I would have preferred the military to it. Of course, the loss of that job eventually led me to enlist in the US Army, which proved to be the second-worst decision I have ever made.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

LonsomeSon posted:

Specifically, what it means is that you are willing to relocate--anywhere--to do a job which is godawfully tedious and soul-destroying in ways which you might still avoid ever being able to understand, for poo poo pay and benefits which are mediocre at best. Look at the civilian world in the context of jobs you could do under those conditions and you just might find something which would really suit you. Or be better than the military.

It's the Canadian Forces. They actually pay decent.

The thing is, currently, that I tried to get a student loan last year to go to trade school, but was ineligible because of my poor finances. Going CAF gives me highly technical education plus on-the-job training, all the while I do not go a cent further into debt to do it. It's really the best choice I can make.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

klapman posted:

Well hey, if someone tries to marginalize you for writing smut, you can at least shrug and say "it ain't loving retail, is it?", turn 360 degrees and walk away. Like even if you yearn for artistry or whatever the hell, writing smut isn't going to feel worse than working retail.

And you won't have to sit there and look proud as your manager takes you aside for a performance review, and gives you the coveted 15 cent raise after a half hour long interview (that you clock out for). Even after being out of McDonalds for a while that still pisses me off. What kind of nerve do you have to have to expect someone, even someone who doesn't need the money, to look all happy for what amounts to like 10$ more on a bi-weekly paycheck, even assuming a 40 hour work week?


The performance review took place every 3 months, and fifteen cents is the most you can ever get from it. lmao

If you turn 360 degrees, you wont walk away :eng101:

PCOS Bill
May 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

It's the Canadian Forces. They actually pay decent.

The thing is, currently, that I tried to get a student loan last year to go to trade school, but was ineligible because of my poor finances. Going CAF gives me highly technical education plus on-the-job training, all the while I do not go a cent further into debt to do it. It's really the best choice I can make.

It really isn't a bad choice. Looks good on a resume, too. Unless you're trying to get hired by a liberal, but then again, why would you want that?

Nessa
Dec 15, 2008

klapman posted:

And you won't have to sit there and look proud as your manager takes you aside for a performance review, and gives you the coveted 15 cent raise after a half hour long interview (that you clock out for). Even after being out of McDonalds for a while that still pisses me off. What kind of nerve do you have to have to expect someone, even someone who doesn't need the money, to look all happy for what amounts to like 10$ more on a bi-weekly paycheck, even assuming a 40 hour work week?


The performance review took place every 3 months, and fifteen cents is the most you can ever get from it. lmao

We only have performance reviews once a year and we don't get anything from them. I'm making the same minimum wage now that I was when I started nearly 3 years ago. You only get a pay raise if you're bumped to Assistant Manager.

I would honestly be making more money if I worked at McDonalds.

WarLocke
Jun 6, 2004

You are being watched. :allears:
So about 3 weeks ago my boss finally promoted me (from cashier to 'front end manager'). But when I picked up my check stub the other day, I find out that I'm still being paid the $8.50 I was hired at 18 months ago.

When I asked my boss about this, he tells me he wanted to see how I did the job before giving me a raise (hint, I've all but been doing this job for the last year as is fucknuts) and even if he starts the ball rolling on a raise this week it won't go into effect until the pay period after the next.

So I ask him about the 70+ hours on the paycheck I just got, and all the time between now and when the raise becomes official - when do I get the difference/back pay?

"You want retroactive pay? I'm not authorizing that."

No, fuckwit, I want to actually be paid for the work I've already done/will do.

banana allergy
Jan 19, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Does anybody else get nervous when a good coworker gets fired? This guy was let go ostensibly for time and attendance but I never noticed him missing the way I notice some people's constant truancy.

My company is starting to scare me. It's going in a totally new direction with its products and its stores. I'm considering moving to basic-level tech support because it will look better on a resume, but it's the same pay for a harder job. Staying in sales gives me the opportunity to try to get on the mentoring team, which also looks good on a resume, but several years of trying for that has failed so maybe I should take a different direction. I really would like to find a leadership or development direction someday, probably with another company (no internal advancement here!), but I'll probably be selling extended warranties for the rest of my life unless I find something new.

Or unless I get fired.

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

WarLocke posted:

So about 3 weeks ago my boss finally promoted me (from cashier to 'front end manager'). But when I picked up my check stub the other day, I find out that I'm still being paid the $8.50 I was hired at 18 months ago.

When I asked my boss about this, he tells me he wanted to see how I did the job before giving me a raise (hint, I've all but been doing this job for the last year as is fucknuts) and even if he starts the ball rolling on a raise this week it won't go into effect until the pay period after the next.

So I ask him about the 70+ hours on the paycheck I just got, and all the time between now and when the raise becomes official - when do I get the difference/back pay?

"You want retroactive pay? I'm not authorizing that."

No, fuckwit, I want to actually be paid for the work I've already done/will do.

Go above his head to HR and complain

Faerunner
Dec 31, 2007
All of you guys working for <1yr without a single raise make me SO glad I picked the only retail company out there that apparently gives raises every year like clockwork. It's the silver lining in my retail cloud.

Customers, on the other hand...

Last night we switched to summer hours (1 hour later closing, yaaaay :smith:) and at least three couples stayed comfortably arguing about what color toilet they wanted and whether the mosaic tiles were too expensive until 5 minutes to close. Nevermind that the week before, we were already closed at the time these people pulled up to the store... I kinda wonder if they just drive up at 9pm all winter long, stare blankly at the front doors and fail to grok winter hours, or if there was some kind of message put out to all the "just browsing" types.

:j: "OH LOOK THEY'RE OPEN TILL 10 AGAIN LET'S GO STARE AT PAINT SWATCHES UNTIL 9:59!"

It wouldn't be so bad but when there are people in my department that late at night, they need hand-holding, which means I have to spend half my time running back to answer questions about "travesty" tile (my god people learn to pronounce travertine), sell them everything they need to do a tile job they aren't doing tonight anyway, hurry them out and try to clean up so the opener doesn't have to deal with the mess these people inevitably leave behind. And because I don't want to be told to cut overtime later, I have to do it all before I'm scheduled to leave. Ha, ha, ha. Screw you, late-night shoppers.

Faerunner fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Mar 11, 2015

PCOS Bill
May 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Faerunner posted:

arguing about what color toilet they wanted

White or off-white. Are there even other options?

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YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
Welllll, you've got your ecru, your mother-of-pearl, eggshell, beige, off-white, taupe, cream, ivory, the list goes on!

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