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muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Playing through Metro Redux and it's still really annoying that weapon pick ups are just silhouettes instead of actually telling you what the weapon and attachments are.

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Pocket Billiards
Aug 29, 2007
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The GTA characters really are only there to justify whatever missions/set pieces that the game is presenting.

At least with multiple protagonists you have characters with different personalities and motivations. It's a way to reduce these huge disconnects where someone can give a big scripted monologue about war atrocities and then immediately take a taxi to meet some stranger and go kill two dozen people at their behest.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

I'm replaying Jedi Academy again and the game is terrible at letting you know when you're taking damage. Especially when your personal shields have drained and you lose that electrical shimmer affect over your character.

The worst has to be when taking fall damage; since you can super jump it gets tricky trying to determine what exactly can and can't kill you. So my super awesome plan of dropping down and surprising a bunch of unaware stormtroopers with a tornado of plasma just ends up with me literally dropping dead in the middle of them. Or I get into a fight with a sith disciple and he ends up lopping my head off on first contact because I jumped down a few shipping containers and didn't realize I took damage.

Another thing dragging this game down is the reminder that we'll never get a proper sequel or spiritual successor :arghfist::reject:

Away all Goats has a new favorite as of 12:17 on Jan 20, 2016

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Away all Goats posted:

The worst has to be when taking fall damage; since you can super jump it gets tricky trying to determine what exactly can and can't kill you. So my super awesome plan of dropping down and surprising a bunch of unaware stormtroopers with a tornado of plasma just ends up with me literally dropping dead in the middle of them. Or I get into a fight with a sith disciple and he ends up lopping my head off on first contact because I jumped down a few shipping containers and didn't realize I took damage.

It gets even better when you use g_saberrealisticcombat 2. Then you don't even need to have taken any damage. :haw:

Or you fail a mission because Luke Skywalker got in the way and you accidentally cut his arm off.

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

Arrath posted:

Oh yes Far Cry 3, give me cool tools like flamethrowers and sniper rifles with exploding bullets but all the assassination missions require you to shank the targets. What if I get tired of sneaking around and want to go guns blazing? Mission failed, awesome.

I didn't mind that to start because it got me out of a rut where clearing outposts turned into "find a bush on a cliff and one-shot everyone from cover", but it did get a bit wearing towards the end. I usually ended up running past the guards, knifing him and then hoping my armour held out till I could escape via wingsuit.

The assassination missions in FC4 were more interesting because if you were spotted it failed you; so you had to sneak past the soldiers, shank a dude, then drag his body out of camp to hide it without being spotted, so at least there was some planning involved. There were also the ones where you had to make a kill with a specific weapon, which was sometimes a challenge if it was something I wouldn't normally play like a shotgun or submachine gun.

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

Alteisen posted:

Yea ever since SA they've tried to turn the protagonist into a some poor victim of circumstances instead of just being a crazy sociopath like Vercetti was.

Basically remake VC is what I'm saying. :colbert:

I thought that was the idea with Trevor?

Your Gay Uncle
Feb 16, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
The more of the Witcher 3 I play the more I wish I could swap out Ciri for Geralt. She seems like a way more fun and engaging character than Geralt.

Inco
Apr 3, 2009

I have been working out! My modem is broken and my phone eats half the posts I try to make, including all the posts I've tried to make here. I'll try this one more time.

Your Gay Uncle posted:

The more of the Witcher 3 I play the more I wish I could swap out Ciri for Geralt. She seems like a way more fun and engaging character than Geralt.

Similarly, I want to play as Jade in Dying Light instead of Crane. All they'd have to do is completely excise this whole GRE conspiracy angle because Jade would already have enough reasons to do everything required by the game's plot AFAIK.

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

Inco posted:

Similarly, I want to play as Jade in Dying Light instead of Crane. All they'd have to do is completely excise this whole GRE conspiracy angle because Jade would already have enough reasons to do everything required by the game's plot AFAIK.
Hell still have Crane in the game even, but give her Crane's not giving a gently caress powers over about whatever personal issues Crane is having with the GRE.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Your Gay Uncle posted:

The more of the Witcher 3 I play the more I wish I could swap out Ciri for Geralt. She seems like a way more fun and engaging character than Geralt.

That's the thing I hate the most about the current trend of Grizzled McHardass characters in every game ever. It takes a lot of effort and skill to make that character interesting, and nearly nobody manages. So we're left with the most boring bullshit character I don't want to play as, while being surrounded by people I do. At least when we were in the era of Cool Animal Mascots they tried to make the player character distinct, interesting and fun.

Basically the only one of those sorts of characters that I'd actually want to play as is Nathan Drake, because he's got actual charisma and personality (although I wouldn't turn down playing as Sully instead). Even the Sole Survivor in Fallout 4 rarely gets to be interesting, and that's a game with areas like the U.S.S. Constitution.

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


Your Gay Uncle posted:

The more of the Witcher 3 I play the more I wish I could swap out Ciri for Geralt. She seems like a way more fun and engaging character than Geralt.

Ciri is the exact same character with boobs though.

Ramos
Jul 3, 2012


Your Gay Uncle posted:

The more of the Witcher 3 I play the more I wish I could swap out Ciri for Geralt. She seems like a way more fun and engaging character than Geralt.

If you're on PC, you're in luck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmeW0-E2eC8

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Cleretic posted:

That's the thing I hate the most about the current trend of Grizzled McHardass characters in every game ever. It takes a lot of effort and skill to make that character interesting, and nearly nobody manages. So we're left with the most boring bullshit character I don't want to play as, while being surrounded by people I do. At least when we were in the era of Cool Animal Mascots they tried to make the player character distinct, interesting and fun.

Basically the only one of those sorts of characters that I'd actually want to play as is Nathan Drake, because he's got actual charisma and personality (although I wouldn't turn down playing as Sully instead). Even the Sole Survivor in Fallout 4 rarely gets to be interesting, and that's a game with areas like the U.S.S. Constitution.
The absolute best example of this I can remember is Watch_Dogs, where I'm pretty sure that every extra and the villain would be a better character to play as.

I mean, Iraq in that game was a black army vet who made a criminal syndicate that managed to get one in on the main villain of the story. Think about how much better the game would have been if you'd been playing his rise.

And speaking of F4, the plethora of lovely radiant quests in that game drags it down. The fact that even Skyrim, which is probably the cruddiest of Bethesda games when it comes to quests was better than Fallout 4 is a goddamn tragedy.

Even the USS constitution drags on and makes little sense, even if the payoff is good. Also the weapon is poo poo, sad to say.

Action Tortoise
Feb 18, 2012

A wolf howls.
I know how he feels.

Cleretic posted:

Grizzled McHardass

this should be something on McDonald's breakfast menu

muscles like this? posted:

Playing through Metro Redux and it's still really annoying that weapon pick ups are just silhouettes instead of actually telling you what the weapon and attachments are.

i still hate that child escort level.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

But an area in a first person shooter where it becomes impossible to aim precisely and small, hard-to-hit enemies randomly and silently pop up behind you sounded so good on paper!

Red Minjo
Oct 20, 2010

Out of the houses, which is the most blue?

The answer might not be be obvious at first.

Gravy Boat 2k

Lord Lambeth posted:

Ciri is the exact same character with boobs though.

I mean, she has all the stuff where she hops through dimensions and gets upset that people are being protective of her, but I guess more importantly she has a different moveset that feels really powerful.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Cleretic posted:

That's the thing I hate the most about the current trend of Grizzled McHardass characters in every game ever. It takes a lot of effort and skill to make that character interesting, and nearly nobody manages. So we're left with the most boring bullshit character I don't want to play as, while being surrounded by people I do. At least when we were in the era of Cool Animal Mascots they tried to make the player character distinct, interesting and fun.

Basically the only one of those sorts of characters that I'd actually want to play as is Nathan Drake, because he's got actual charisma and personality (although I wouldn't turn down playing as Sully instead). Even the Sole Survivor in Fallout 4 rarely gets to be interesting, and that's a game with areas like the U.S.S. Constitution.

Nathan Drake is so far out of the box for what you're describing, IMO. What about New Order BJ Blazkowicz?

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
Nathan Drake is a boring rear end in a top hat.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Whatever you think of Nathan Drak he is absolutely not a "Grizzled Mc Hardass" nor is he supposed to be.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

EmmyOk posted:

Whatever you think of Nathan Drak he is absolutely not a "Grizzled Mc Hardass" nor is he supposed to be.

Yeah, 'Grizzled McHardass' was perhaps a bad choice of words given it's an archetype that likely does encompass Drake, albeit possibly as an edge case (and definitely not a trend-follower, it sorta just happened around him). The stubbled, gun-packing dark-haired (or bald-headed) man in his twenties or thirties, who may or may not be sarcastically wisecracking while solving Man Problems. There's certainly light-hearted examples like Rico from Just Cause, but it's generally a very straight-faced type of character.

If I replaced 'Nathan Drake' with 'Adam Jensen', would it work? Because I forgot about him, he's definitely one and I enjoy playing as him.

Drunken Baker
Feb 3, 2015

VODKA STYLE DRINK
Could it be something do with with test markets and other poo poo like that? Like "The average game is a white dude in his 20's/30's if we deviate from this we'll alienate our core demographic" Or whatever. Like you can't have TOO much flavour because average joe wouldn't like it? Or am I being a cynic there?

Also I heard that the dude who wrote the Dark Brotherhood quest in Oblivion was fired because the quest line was so much better than every other quest line it made the rest of the game look bad in comparison. Is there any truth in that?

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


Red Minjo posted:

I mean, she has all the stuff where she hops through dimensions and gets upset that people are being protective of her, but I guess more importantly she has a different moveset that feels really powerful.

Maybe I'm just bad at playing as Ciri but she feels extremely fragile compared to Geralt to me. I'd do anything for a Quen sign in her segments.

Action Tortoise
Feb 18, 2012

A wolf howls.
I know how he feels.

Woolie Wool posted:

Maybe I'm just bad at playing as Ciri but she feels extremely fragile compared to Geralt to me. I'd do anything for a Quen sign in her segments.

she has a blink move that lets you get behind enemies. you really shouldn't be tanking any hits with her.

geralt's whatever build you give him. ciri's meant to be a glass cannon.

ChogsEnhour posted:

Could it be something do with with test markets and other poo poo like that? Like "The average game is a white dude in his 20's/30's if we deviate from this we'll alienate our core demographic" Or whatever. Like you can't have TOO much flavour because average joe wouldn't like it? Or am I being a cynic there?

it's been a safe bet for so long now why would devs try something new when they can focus their resources on new gameplay features? i'm not defending the trend, this is basically the argument for why it happens.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

ChogsEnhour posted:


Also I heard that the dude who wrote the Dark Brotherhood quest in Oblivion was fired because the quest line was so much better than every other quest line it made the rest of the game look bad in comparison. Is there any truth in that?
He was made Lead Designer of Fallout 3, so no, not really.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Lunchmeat Larry posted:

He was made Lead Designer of Fallout 3, so no, not really.

Also oblivion did really well for the general public so it's kind of insane to get all conspiracy theorist like that.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Digirat posted:

But an area in a first person shooter where it becomes impossible to aim precisely and small, hard-to-hit enemies randomly and silently pop up behind you sounded so good on paper!

The trick to that area is not stopping to shoot anything that isn't directly in front of you. You can outrun most of them.

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

ChogsEnhour posted:

Could it be something do with with test markets and other poo poo like that? Like "The average game is a white dude in his 20's/30's if we deviate from this we'll alienate our core demographic" Or whatever. Like you can't have TOO much flavour because average joe wouldn't like it? Or am I being a cynic there?

Also I heard that the dude who wrote the Dark Brotherhood quest in Oblivion was fired because the quest line was so much better than every other quest line it made the rest of the game look bad in comparison. Is there any truth in that?

Grizzled mc-badass white dude is a safe bet in most games since nobody gives a poo poo what happens to him versus a minority or a woman, especially with how volatile things are lately with female or minority representation in games.

So as a developer, do you go with the safe bet or the one that might get you some bad press, the answer is obvious I feel.

Horrible Smutbeast
Sep 2, 2011
The amount of lovely filler text in Shadowrun: Hong Kong.

Holy poo poo. The devs decided that having an hour or two dedicated to wandering the map and talking to random people that show up inbetween runs that give you nothing except box after box of textdumps was a good idea. There's absolutely no reason to actually talk to anyone since none of them give you items, weapons, karma, nothing.

Oh, and Is0lde is the worst character. loving cat killing autistic weirdo who whines every opportunity she gets. Why the hell did she get a side quest dedicated to her but nobody else does? Even the crazy Russian has his rolled into a story quest you have to do.

edit - Just remembered she also gets forced on you unless you're a decker for a few quests as well unless you like bad endings.

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?
Your other team members *do* have sidequests though. Is0bel's was the only one I didn't get around to doing because I didn't feel like talking to her all that much until later in the game--Racter's is easy to come across because he opens up to you about his past really easily (probably because they want to make it possible to get the quest before it's too late), but Gaichu and Gobbet have independent quests as well--Gobbet's is probably the best of the ones that I played.

It is a bit disappointing that you have to do the Is0bel sidequest for the best ending--and there's no indication of that at all (by the time I found out from the internet I couldn't complete the conversations to actually get the quest).

Horrible Smutbeast
Sep 2, 2011
I've played through twice and I still haven't gotten anyone else to open up. Then again, both times the bugged out so badly I had to reload a save 2 hours earlier because I couldn't progress. I also had Crafty Xu suddenly act like it was the first time I talked to her and refused to help me out, so that pissed me off that it locked me out of the best ending.

I also can't believe it's been out for MONTHS and there's still lovely game breaking bugs and weird stuff going on that they just haven't even bothered to fix.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Cleretic posted:

Yeah, 'Grizzled McHardass' was perhaps a bad choice of words given it's an archetype that likely does encompass Drake, albeit possibly as an edge case (and definitely not a trend-follower, it sorta just happened around him). The stubbled, gun-packing dark-haired (or bald-headed) man in his twenties or thirties, who may or may not be sarcastically wisecracking while solving Man Problems. There's certainly light-hearted examples like Rico from Just Cause, but it's generally a very straight-faced type of character.

If I replaced 'Nathan Drake' with 'Adam Jensen', would it work? Because I forgot about him, he's definitely one and I enjoy playing as him.

Adam Jensen, Batman, Master Chief, the guy from Hatred would all count IMO. Drake makes too many jokes and doesn't frown enough to count.

Your Gay Uncle
Feb 16, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Lord Lambeth posted:

Ciri is the exact same character with boobs though.

I've only played 3 or 4 of her levels but her moveset is alot more fun and she seems more friendly and outgoing where Geralt just gets grumpy about everything when he's not loving every witch/barmaid/princess goat.

rodbeard
Jul 21, 2005

After being delayed by various bugs I finally finished the main quest in fallout 4. I decided to celebrate being done by jumping off the roof of the building I wason to kill myself. Right before I hit the ground I got close to a map transition and ended up perfectly safe in a nearby town.

Action Tortoise
Feb 18, 2012

A wolf howls.
I know how he feels.

Your Gay Uncle posted:

I've only played 3 or 4 of her levels but her moveset is alot more fun and she seems more friendly and outgoing where Geralt just gets grumpy about everything when he's not loving every witch/barmaid/princess goat.

I mean wouldn't you?

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
So Darkest Dungeon released its final update and is now out of early access, and with it its final dungeon, the titular Darkest Dungeon, my main problem with is the gimmick for it.

Basically any hero you take into it is to afraid to ever go back and you're forced out of it after clearing a floor and the dungeon is 4 floor long, so a game that for the most part was a huge meat grinder of building up a handful of dudes and basically using the rest as cattle to build up funds and supplies now forces you to train up a bunch of characters and build them up as best as you can pretty much turning the end game into a gigantic grind fest.

Its not really fun and I've lost interest as I need to train up at least 7 heroes, never mind the costs of outfitting them with the best armor and weapons as you WILL need them, this of course does no guarantee victory as the RNG in this game is so overwhelming sometimes so I might even have to train 4 more on top of those 7 purely for safety, hell I'm assuming the final boss has some ridiculous ultra cheap attack that probably maxes out your stress or something.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


In Darkest Dungeons, and I just got it today, I tried doing an easy fishman dungeon and got three fights in a row where I was surprised and my ranks got shuffled and everyone got murdered while I tried to move my can-only-attack-from-the-front guy back to the front and my can't-heal-from-the-front guys to the back but they can only move a certain number of spaces and the turn order they got called in means everyone pushes each other out of the way and nobody gets where they need to be. And now they're gone forever. ANd I knew they were going to die, I knew once they started dying I had no hope, but there's no "gently caress this, gently caress you, go ahead and kill them see if I give a gently caress" option. I tried quitting and reloading but it made me go right back into that doomed fight and spend another five minutes watching them follow the fighter into death and completely fail to attack now that there was no longer a back row to use their skills from.

That's all I want. A surrender button. Is that so much to ask? I don't even want to go back in knowing there's no way to give up once it's hopeless.

Your Gay Uncle
Feb 16, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Krinkle posted:

In Darkest Dungeons, and I just got it today, I tried doing an easy fishman dungeon and got three fights in a row where I was surprised and my ranks got shuffled and everyone got murdered while I tried to move my can-only-attack-from-the-front guy back to the front and my can't-heal-from-the-front guys to the back but they can only move a certain number of spaces and the turn order they got called in means everyone pushes each other out of the way and nobody gets where they need to be. And now they're gone forever. ANd I knew they were going to die, I knew once they started dying I had no hope, but there's no "gently caress this, gently caress you, go ahead and kill them see if I give a gently caress" option. I tried quitting and reloading but it made me go right back into that doomed fight and spend another five minutes watching them follow the fighter into death and completely fail to attack now that there was no longer a back row to use their skills from.

That's all I want. A surrender button. Is that so much to ask? I don't even want to go back in knowing there's no way to give up once it's hopeless.

God this would be great. In FTL it was great to be able to jump away if poo poo got a little to real. It really added to the tension when you knew you were just hosed and had to wait and pray they didn't blow your engines or kill your pilot before you could escape.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

Can't you run away from fights in that game

I mean it looks like a lame-rear end RNGfest either way but I know I've seen streamers run away from fights before.

MisterBibs
Jul 17, 2010

dolla dolla
bill y'all
Fun Shoe
Kinda a broad, nonspecific thing, but Christ, I am sick of playing comparatively obscure (non-AAA, middle-budget, however you want to define it) games that are relatively new.

It's not because of bugs or anything, it's because there's scarce guides/tricks/whatevers online for them, being so new. Can't figure out what a mission is telling me to do? Things I should know in advance to avoid screwing things up or wasting time? Stuff I might be missing that's important? Good luck finding that poo poo out when everything about a game is relatively new.

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RillAkBea
Oct 11, 2008

MisterBibs posted:

Kinda a broad, nonspecific thing, but Christ, I am sick of playing comparatively obscure (non-AAA, middle-budget, however you want to define it) games that are relatively new.

It's not because of bugs or anything, it's because there's scarce guides/tricks/whatevers online for them, being so new. Can't figure out what a mission is telling me to do? Things I should know in advance to avoid screwing things up or wasting time? Stuff I might be missing that's important? Good luck finding that poo poo out when everything about a game is relatively new.

Just play the game and try to enjoy it?

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