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BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

Captain Hygiene posted:

But what else are you gonna hide all the extra money under until you clean it?

Do NOT hide your dirty money under your products, or anywhere in the public part of your store. This is important.

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ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

BonHair posted:

ITT goons suck at laundering money.

I think a major part of laundering money is having a plausible reason for getting large amounts of cash, and preferably some kind of product that makes comparing income to inventory hard. This makes actual cleaners a pretty good choice. But it's also why Copenhagen had a lot of candy stores pop up a few years ago. Paying in cash, and selling by weight with a lot of waste is good for money laundering.
Mattresses seem like a really bad front on the other hand.

I don't follow the logic.

Mattresses are big ticket items that are hard to track past sale, but are still cheap enough to plausibly be bought with cash, and have huge profit margins at the high end.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

I don't see how anyone would buy a mattress work cash, but I haven't used cash at all for at least a year, so...

I guess the haggling could be used smartly if there's since slight fudging if receipts. Like giving a good price, but writing it up in the records as full price, with the difference made from dirty money. Eh, I'm not really good at this.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Ratoslov posted:

please explain this, this sounds fascinating.

Going off memory here, but from what I recall it's something like this.

The inhabited parts of Finland are actually eastern Sweden. The forests and tundra that make up the rest of the land that we see on a map are actually the Arctic Ocean, which Japan and Russia use to conduct illegal whaling. This is also why the Finnish language sounds like a combination of Russian and Japanese.

Hobnob
Feb 23, 2006

Ursa Adorandum
I'd assumed the Mattress Firm thing was a joke due to (a) Them buying up every other mattress retailer in sight, (b) The sheer number of their stores (do you really need 3 separate stores at one intersection, as is present in my city) , and (c) The fact that people rarely actually need to buy a new mattress, so how are all those stores still paying concerns?

redleader
Aug 18, 2005

Engage according to operational parameters
someone told me epstein did kill himself and now i believe the earth is flat

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
"Finland's not real" is just a 4chan shitpost

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



There's a 50/50 chance you don't exist.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Captain Hygiene posted:

There's a 50/50 chance you don't exist.

I keep talling that to myself every time I go to sleep yet I always wake up.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

I met a Finnish person once, I conclude Finland does exist

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

PittTheElder posted:

I met a Finnish person once, I conclude Finland does exist

You know you have to discard the outliers, don't you?

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




PittTheElder posted:

I met a Finnish person once

Or so you think

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



PittTheElder posted:

I met a Finnish person once, I conclude Finland does exist

Looks like this theory's......Finnished :radcat:

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

BonHair posted:

ITT goons suck at laundering money.

I think a major part of laundering money is having a plausible reason for getting large amounts of cash, and preferably some kind of product that makes comparing income to inventory hard. This makes actual cleaners a pretty good choice. But it's also why Copenhagen had a lot of candy stores pop up a few years ago. Paying in cash, and selling by weight with a lot of waste is good for money laundering.
Mattresses seem like a really bad front on the other hand.

I know there's one theoretical group of money laundering businesses and that's Chinese restaurants. Dirty money is used to buy ingredients and supplies and pay rent while the gross from selling food is used partially to pay off the workers' labor (mainly Chinese immigrants who are paying off the cost to come to the US) with the rest going to the criminal org running it. This may be the case for some massage parlors and nail salons as well.

Shit Fuckasaurus
Oct 14, 2005

i think right angles might be an abomination against nature you guys
Lipstick Apathy
When I worked at a Collectable Card Shop we had one guy who would come in every few months, buy a couple hundred dollars in mid-value cards, then go down the street and sell them within a few days. Like a year after this started the cops showed up, looked at our tapes (it was 2004 so literal tapes, they couldn't see a loving thing) and told us to call them if he ever came back, because we had deposited CRIME DOLLARS at our bank and they thought he was using us to launder money. He never came in again, but if you gotta launder a few thousand real quick and you're okay with losing a few percent, collectible reselling is certainly a way to go.

By the by, nobody smart is going to potentially incriminate themselves to explain to you how they launder money on this, a public forum on the internet. That's why the explanations you're getting here are armchair experts, anyone who has sat and thought out a money laundering scheme that would actually work was probably doing it for much more illegal reasons than posting on the internet, and they have their reasons but they'd really rather not share.

Hurt Whitey Maybe
Jun 26, 2008

I mean maybe not. Or maybe. Definitely don't kill anyone.
If y’all want real money laundering advice, try services/rentals, not products. A bowling alley, a car wash, a strip club, that kind of thing. There’s no inventory, people plausibly pay cash, and unless the feds are already watching you, how are they going to figure out that only a quarter of your cash receipts are from people who are actually bowling? Plus now you have a bowling alley to hang out at all day when you’re not doing crime.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

Hurt Whitey Maybe posted:

Plus now you have a bowling alley to hang out at all day when you’re not doing crime.

Niko, my cousin.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Who wants a nice fresh version



It's the same thing, just on this page and not something you have to go to Twitter for.

Teriyaki Hairpiece has a new favorite as of 17:13 on Oct 6, 2020

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

I'm reminded of the scene from Office Space where they end up with a big chunk of stolen money that they can't do anything with, and they've heard that the bad guys will launder money to fix this problem, but they have no idea how to do that and they're finally reduced to looking up "money laundering" in an actual dictionary to try to figure out what exactly it even is.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Plastik posted:

By the by, nobody smart is going to potentially incriminate themselves to explain to you how they launder money on this, a public forum on the internet. That's why the explanations you're getting here are armchair experts, anyone who has sat and thought out a money laundering scheme that would actually work was probably doing it for much more illegal reasons than posting on the internet, and they have their reasons but they'd really rather not share.

That's true, but when someone is convicted for money laundering, the details of how they did it are part of the public record. Someone here could've studied how those schemes worked. And yeah, those are the ones who were caught, but some of them weren't caught for a while.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
Here's an article about money laundering via restaurants with a case example of a sushi place in Mexico

https://www.eater.com/2016/9/1/12533030/money-laundering-restaurant

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Byzantine posted:

Niko, my cousin.

Username checks out.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The version I heard was using the electronic roulette terminals in betting shops, you put like £20 on both red and black, and you're almost guaranteed to win it back and now you have a receipt saying you won the money on the betting machine.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

OwlFancier posted:

The version I heard was using the electronic roulette terminals in betting shops, you put like £20 on both red and black, and you're almost guaranteed to win it back and now you have a receipt saying you won the money on the betting machine.

It's very smart to go to a place the feds know is used for money laundering and has cameras everywhere to drop your marked bills. No back fire there.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think it was more for like, if you're just selling small-ish amounts of drugs and want a plausible reason for why you're carrying a fair bit of cash.

But not being a drugs haver I don't know the specifics.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Here all the money laundering is done in Suntan Salons, you don't have to record how many customers you have, no on cares what you charge and you have no product overheads. If you're cutting about Edinburgh and wonder why there are quite so many tanning salons that always seem to be empty, there you go.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
It’s got to be awkward to walk into a salon expecting it to be a front for prostitution only to find it’s just a front for money laundering.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Crossposting


Fair warning the longer you look the worse it gets.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Platystemon posted:

It’s got to be awkward to walk into a salon expecting it to be a front for prostitution only to find it’s just a front for money laundering.

The saunas are the fronts for prostitution.

Red Bones
Aug 9, 2012

"I think he's a bad enough person to stay ghost through his sheer love of child-killing."

Someone once told me in Estonia the go-to money laundering scheme for Russian businesses is to own an Estonian construction company and use the Russian money to build things with it, so the country is now dotted with abandoned and out-of-place shopping malls. I also had a colleague who once worked at a 'university' that had about five students and was very obviously a Turkish money laundering scheme. The owners decided to build a Shisha bar next to it to... I guess launder more money in a different way, or maybe just make some regular profits with the spare real estate they had, which is kind of charmingly pragmatic.

Roblo
Dec 10, 2007

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

OwlFancier posted:

Crossposting


Fair warning the longer you look the worse it gets.

I love the fact there is an area labeled "fascism", and the Nazi flag is at the opposite end of the chart. Spectacular.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Platystemon posted:

It’s got to be awkward to walk into a salon expecting it to be a front for prostitution only to find it’s just a front for money laundering.

Depends on who they hire. In my Chinese restaurant example (the money laundering part is from my dad who supposed it, but the labor involved is something I've read in articles), the people working there are largely illegal immigrants paying off debts so they're both money laundering fronts and part of a human trafficking network. Presumably it'd be the same for something like massage parlors.

Casinos are the classic one as done by the mob in Vegas, but it's also good for single occurrence laundering as was done in the Philippines after a bunch of money was stolen from the Bangladesh Bank held by the US Federal Reserve and then wired to the Philippines where it was laundered in a casino as the country had no laws about tracking suspicious money in casinos there at the time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Bank_robbery
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/101-east/2018/5/24/hacked-the-bangladesh-bank-heist/

SerialKilldeer
Apr 25, 2014

Memento posted:

"Finland's not real" is just a 4chan shitpost



But how can the Finno-Korean hyper war be real if Finland isn't real???

This is the best conspiracy chart:

Theris
Oct 9, 2007

OwlFancier posted:

Crossposting


Fair warning the longer you look the worse it gets.

A lot of this strongly suggests it was made by a "foreign policy blob" Democrat, (or, more likely, someone satirizing them) particularly the inclusion of brutal theocracies who happen to be staunch US allies in the "free democracies" section. Which makes it extremely surprising that Putin/Russia are on the correct side instead of being conflated with the USSR. Nazi Germany on the left isn't suprising at all, though.

Theris has a new favorite as of 10:46 on Oct 6, 2020

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Hobnob posted:

(b) The sheer number of their stores (do you really need 3 separate stores at one intersection, as is present in my city) , and (c) The fact that people rarely actually need to buy a new mattress, so how are all those stores still paying concerns?
It's mostly this, I think.

ikanreed posted:

It's very smart to go to a place the feds know is used for money laundering and has cameras everywhere to drop your marked bills. No back fire there.
Who was talking about marked bills?

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

It's the same thing, just on this page and not something you have to go to Twitter for.
Please put this before the large image next time.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

SerialKilldeer posted:

But how can the Finno-Korean hyper war be real if Finland isn't real???

This is the best conspiracy chart:


There's one of these that has all sorts of insane bullshit and at the bottom in the most horrible tier there's an entry that just reads "GOLF RUMOURS". Like, what?

SerialKilldeer
Apr 25, 2014

Seems to be a 4chan injoke, but there are several fake explanations out there.

The other good iceberg chart:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hjRvZYkAgA

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
How is "cardioid", something that everyone who's ever used a microphone should know, like 4 layers down on the same level as a tetrablended quasitruncated tesseact lmao


edit: i guess there's a joke answer on each level

LostCosmonaut
Feb 15, 2014

Golf rumours (use caution) shows up on this one (level 9);

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flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
that's just a list of scps

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