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I read Ender's Game and aside from the broad strokes of the plot and the twist ending, I wasn't that impressed with this family of aryan ubermensch who are all better and smarter and also more compassionate than anyone else. Basically Card is able to come up with some really interesting science fiction concepts that he buries in terrible bullshit, and a lot of people are able to overlook or not think critically about the bullshit because of the cool concepts, especially if they read it while they were young. Also the children in the military school being naked all the time was kind of questionable and I'm not sure why that was even in there. It's a weird enough detail that I keep thinking I must've misremembered it, but what I recall making an impression was a bit where it describes the kids as being naked except when in the zero g fighting thing. If I am misremembering that please let me know because it's kind of insane and made a lot of later parts of the book, like the emotional embraces between the prepubescent boys, really uncomfortable to read. EDIT: FFT posted:It's a Mormon tradition Cool Dad has a new favorite as of 17:31 on Oct 19, 2022 |
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Nicodemus Dumps posted:Did everyone forget that reality tv and Twitter star Donald J. Trump became president of the United States of America? Yes. It was a very early-internet concept that the internet would be an important public forum where great things could happen. As we went on that concept became more and more stupid until posting on the internet made someone president. FFT posted:Pretty sure they didn't achieve any real power beyond being "inluencers" before "influencers" were called that until Shadow of the Hegemon though Peter became Hegemon at the end of Ender's Game but it was like the last chapter and didn't go into detail except that he did it through his influence on the internet. The Shadow series finally got into the details which retconed it as basically: he used Bean to lead his army and force everyone to submit to him.
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I believe he wrote Ender's Game as a teenager/very early 20s, so it's not unreasonable he forgot every detail in the decades since. If I remember from his epilogue, he rushed through the entire book as a publisher-mandated prologue to the series he actually cared about, which was Speaker for the Dead etc. I knows it's problematic to say that a homophobe is secretly gay, but Ender's Game is hella gay. I honestly think his church condemned him for some of the content, and he overcorrected to being the straightest conservative ever. I wish the rest of his books ( and life ) had half the empathy found in Ender's Game.
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Now in Ender's Shadow it got weirder because Bean discovers that the uniforms are being used to track them. So he gets naked to sneak around the school at night. Eventually Bean and a bunch of friends trick his bully into a compromising situation where they are all naked. Unlike Ender, Bean doesn't kill him and instead is able to record him confessing to murder. e: It's like poetry, it rhymes. Zero One has a new favorite as of 17:44 on Oct 19, 2022 |
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Cool Dad posted:Also the children in the military school being naked all the time was kind of questionable and I'm not sure why that was even in there. It's a weird enough detail that I keep thinking I must've misremembered it, but what I recall making an impression was a bit where it describes the kids as being naked except when in the zero g fighting thing. If I am misremembering that please let me know because it's kind of insane and made a lot of later parts of the book, like the emotional embraces between the prepubescent boys, really uncomfortable to read. but when Ender and Bonzo fought to the death it was in the showers so they were naked e: f; b
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Cool Dad posted:Also the children in the military school being naked all the time was kind of questionable and I'm not sure why that was even in there. It's a weird enough detail that I keep thinking I must've misremembered it, but what I recall making an impression was a bit where it describes the kids as being naked except when in the zero g fighting thing. If I am misremembering that please let me know because it's kind of insane and made a lot of later parts of the book, like the emotional embraces between the prepubescent boys, really uncomfortable to read. There are a bunch of naked moments but there are regular uniforms they wear to class, etc. I think most of the naked moments are in the barracks/showers. Which having been in a militaryish organization in my early teens isn’t too far off from the truth. There’s always those weirdos who run around naked. I’m not defending OSC it’s creepy often describing their state of dress, but not always-naked-children weird.
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Thank you for correcting me, I feel slightly better but not much better because it's still a fuckin weird book.
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It's just instructions on how to bag up your loose leaf tea
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looks like a manhattan with beans
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Nicodemus Dumps posted:Did everyone forget that reality tv and Twitter star Donald J. Trump became president of the United States of America? I'm just saying I always see everyone forgetting how bad Ender's Game really was, especially when you read it as an adult. I enjoyed it when I read it as a kid, but it does not hold up, and Card didn't just start being a bad writer (and human being) a decade later.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:I'm just saying I always see everyone forgetting how bad Ender's Game really was, especially when you read it as an adult. Its a lot like Ready Player One, first read through "huh, this was alright I guess, not amazing" Second read "what in the hell"
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CitizenKain posted:Second read I see your mistake.
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CitizenKain posted:Its a lot like Ready Player One, first read through "huh, this was alright I guess, not amazing" That's the entire premise of 372 Pages We'll Never Get Back, right down to the choice of first book. "Huh, why does everyone love this thing so much.......what the hell?"
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The one that stunned me was the author of Altered Carbon, a sci-fi novel series about the commodification of life and unimportance of individual bodies, or even gender, is apparently a TERF. I think this is the one that gets me. I knew nothing about the man (beyond the books), until now. So, I mean yeah it's a little discordant to hear that the author is a TERF. Especially when, as you pointed out, one of the main aspects of the series is that your body is irrelevant. I've always wondered how an author can have personal views that are at odds with the views expressed in their work. Anyway 
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Scratch Monkey posted:I see your mistake. I went back to see what people were talking about, because I could only vaguely recall RPO. I think I read most of it while on some work trip and absorbed nothing from it. Second time was when the movie was announced and people started talking about it, and I thought "i don't remember it being that bad". I was wrong. BaronVonVaderham posted:That's the entire premise of 372 Pages We'll Never Get Back, right down to the choice of first book. "Huh, why does everyone love this thing so much.......what the hell?" I'll check that out, thanks.
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I liked Enders Game as a kid and wound up reading Virtual War. It's quite similar but the war sims involve holograms you move with your hands that make you bleed if you push them too far. I remember it as a lesson of "As a leader you have an obligation to the welfare of your subordinates, otherwise you will be destroyed" and I think that rules.
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OSC is on my list, along with Frank Miller, of "People broken by 9/11". Just a supremely weird dude who went off the deep end when that happened. Didn't the guy who wrote Hyperion also go like weird super-right?
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Inzombiac posted:I liked Enders Game as a kid and wound up reading Virtual War. It's quite similar but the war sims involve holograms you move with your hands that make you bleed if you push them too far. Holy poo poo that all came rushing back. It definitely had very similar themes of kids training for war and sneaking around at night. I remember liking it a lot as a kid, but don't dare reread it.
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SuddenCactus posted:The same could be said for all food What is a ham? A miserable little pile of secrets!
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Rascar Capac posted:https://twitter.com/notinaboyband/status/1582843224132972544?t=6G9HElQQeu_lJu8ggc239w&s=19 And then ROBOCOP bursts into Parliament like the Cool Aid Man.
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Grendels Dad posted:And then ROBOCOP bursts into Parliament like the Cool Aid Man. I'd buy that for a pound!
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Can y'all move this back to funny pictures away from YA Books You Liked When You Were A Young Adult? edit: have a picture of a cup cake I took at the store 
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Facebook Aunt posted:It's just this guy: I always love the photoshopped tattoo
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:Can y'all move this back to funny pictures away from YA Books You Liked When You Were A Young Adult? cup cake he says Eh?… Eh?
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:Can y'all move this back to funny pictures away from YA Books You Liked When You Were A Young Adult? That's some smooth Jazz.
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Children love the meat tank.
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ultrafilter posted:Children love the meat tank. He's wearing the Meat helmet again.
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mods change my name to The Meat Tank
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Agghhh The year is 2000, and Sydney is hosting the Olympic Games, and shirts & hats & billboards more or less identical to that cake are everywhere
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