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bull3964 posted:I guess I'm confused about the Fuji lenses being so cheap compared to first party Sony lenses. Am I looking at the wrong things? The 2 Sigma cheap lens are really the only advantage Sony APSC E mount has over the Fuji X mount. But they are really slow so you might as well get the Fuji 18-55 2.8-4. Outside of those Fuji pretty much have Sony APSC E lens beat across the board. You should compare the Sony 55-210 to the Cheaper Fuji 50-230, not the 55-200mm. The 55-200mm is a mid tier zoom with better color reproduction. And compare the Sony 20/2.8 to the Fuji 18/2.0, not the 27mm pancake. The pancake actually go on sale all the time you can get it for $200. There are other minor things too. I can use the Olympus lens cap 9mm lens on E body with an adopter but I can't find an adopter for Fuji. You know the main difference is Fuji doesn't care about gaining market share in entry level bodies and lens. Fuji see no profit in it. So I understand its hard to recommend first time buyers to start with a Fuji system. But you have had system camera before and want to start out with better gears then X system make a lot more sense.
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It's not an unwise choice. Unseating the CaNikon juggernaut from entry level ILC's is not an easy endeavor to undertake. Fuji doesn't have a huge market share, but they have a lot of products that seem like they are profitable and are popular with enthusiasts in their niche they've carved out.
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LiquidRain posted:When I was talking about DR in my G+ post I was referring to this earlier photo I took which still had another 1 to 2 stops left in the highlights around the sun to pull in had I chosen to. At that point I'd had my 7D and EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 and 70-200 f/4L for years, and I am confident that without bracketing I wouldn't have had the highlight detail or the resolution in the shadows I had with the Fuji - it'd have been one or the other. The 7D hated facing the sun, and the Fuji was a great upgrade in that regard. You can compensate, yes, but there's nothing like pulling in the highlights to see the wisps of my butts around the sun. I am totally going to nail you back with an EOS M3 photo that was facing the sun for fun. I am going to link these because they are full size jpegs. I dislike HDR modes/software conversions because they do poo poo like this: http://photog.kthx.jp/p/ettl_example/ettl_hdr_comparison.jpg Note: This has a lens correction profile applied which I neglected to apply to the series below. So, let's forget that. Let's use the one of that set most overexposed. Here's the original: http://photog.kthx.jp/p/ettl_example/ettl_orig.jpg  Using the image most exposed to the left in lightroom, I quickly tried three totally bullshit methods of recovering the image. First, I overexposed the image by 1 1/3rd stop and drug down the whites and highlights, as well as the blacks a bit. This failed to recreate the HDR look: http://photog.kthx.jp/p/ettl_example/ettl_one.jpg  Second, I left the exposure alone and tweaked the highlights/shadows/whites/blacks, this really cannot compensate for the golden hue of the sun: http://photog.kthx.jp/p/ettl_example/ettl_two.jpg  Third, I drug the exposure down and blew out the blacks and this looks fine (at least, better than the HDR with similar characteristics): http://photog.kthx.jp/p/ettl_example/ettl_three.jpg  Because this is a Canon sensor, like every Canon sensor: the blacks and shadows lack detail, so there is some grain in those areas you probably will not notice or care about as a composition as a whole. But, if I take that third image and drag down the exposure even further to -4: http://photog.kthx.jp/p/ettl_example/ettl_four.jpg  I have plenty of detail in highlights on the most overexposed in the set off my shittiest camera.
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It just occured to me that the XPro2 has to be a really awesome camera for astrophotography because you can frame your shots with the optical viewfinder instead of pointing the camera in a general direction and then wasting time adjusting your shots after you take them. The improved sensor should also help. If anyone gets an XPro2 and has the Rokinon/Samyang 12mm or any other good astro lens please confirm this!
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Animal posted:It just occured to me that the XPro2 has to be a really awesome camera for astrophotography because you can frame your shots with the optical viewfinder instead of pointing the camera in a general direction and then wasting time adjusting your shots after you take them. The improved sensor should also help. If anyone gets an XPro2 and has the Rokinon/Samyang 12mm or any other good astro lens please confirm this! Maybe I'm fundamentally misunderstanding what you're saying, but what's the difference between framing with OVF and EVF? I would figure that EVF is actually going to be preferred for this. No way will my Xpro1 frame what my 8mm Rokinon is going to show me. Unless the Xpro2 does something drastically different, I mean. I specifically bought the 8mm for astro so I'm really curious to hear your thoughts as I haven't had a chance to use it yet.
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The EVF/LCD only shows you what the sensor can see. Astro requires very long exposures. You need over 15 seconds to even begin resolving some celestial bodies. Some of the stuff you can see with your naked eye, your EVF wont show. So while the EVF can show you certain very bright stars it can be difficult to get the framing right for the stuff the sensor is not seeing. You point the camera in the direction and then adjust your frame after you take your first shots. This can be very tedious especially when you are using a star tracking mount because readjusting the camera's position can take the mount off polar alignment. Presumably an OVF is gonna have a much clearer view of your aim point, it should help with accurate framing, as opposed to trying to find bright stars with the EVF or LCD screen and pointing the camera in in a guesstimated direction. -edit- Since you are shooting with a fisheye it wont be a big deal as you are going for a very wide picture, but if you are using a longer lens, with a smaller aperture, it can be very difficult to frame your shots. Animal fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Mar 7, 2016 |
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Excellent points, thanks!
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Mar 7, 2016 18:21
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perhaps a DSLR is more suited for this job
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spankmeister posted:perhaps a DSLR is more suited for this job Maybe so, but I haven't used a DSLR I have not hated. Sony A7S II is great for astro and the sensor is good enough for framing and even focusing, but I hate Sony cameras. Or more specifically, I hate their software and general user interface. Animal fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Mar 7, 2016 |
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Animal posted:The EVF/LCD only shows you what the sensor can see. Astro requires very long exposures. You need over 15 seconds to even begin resolving some celestial bodies. Some of the stuff you can see with your naked eye, your EVF wont show. So while the EVF can show you certain very bright stars it can be difficult to get the framing right for the stuff the sensor is not seeing. You point the camera in the direction and then adjust your frame after you take your first shots. This can be very tedious especially when you are using a star tracking mount because readjusting the camera's position can take the mount off polar alignment. The OVF isn't gonna be all that accurate with something like a rokinon 12mm since its very wide and has no electronics in it to provided focused distance for frame adjustment. Longer lens sure that would probably work.
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Yeah the point is for using longer lenses. And even with a wide angle should be useful to accurately aim the center of the lens.
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Actually, the fact that you can boost the output in the evf or lcd screen makes non OVF stuff better for astrophotgraphy poo poo.
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What can I use to polish scratches out of an XPro1 LCD? I have a replacement screen protector but the base plastic or glass layer has a few scratches. Brasso or what?
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Supposedly toothpaste is the thing to use. I clearly have not tried (since I sold you that xpro) so ymmv.
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Mr. Despair posted:Actually, the fact that you can boost the output in the evf or lcd screen makes non OVF stuff better for astrophotgraphy poo poo. That has not been my experience. A lot of the time the EVF or LCD can't pick up faint celestial objects that the naked eye can, no matter what settings you change. It gets worse with "slow" lenses.
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8th-snype posted:Supposedly toothpaste is the thing to use. I clearly have not tried (since I sold you that xpro) so ymmv. I only buy the fancy useless gel kind :[
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Mar 8, 2016 00:26
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A travel sized tube of OG Colgate is probably $1 at a convenience store.
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I spent money on camera and lenses, I have no bucks. Wah wah.
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Animal posted:That has not been my experience. A lot of the time the EVF or LCD can't pick up faint celestial objects that the naked eye can, no matter what settings you change. It gets worse with "slow" lenses. Well, it's worked pretty great on my EM5s. Shame fuji doesn't know how to make a good camera I guess
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Mr. Despair posted:Well, it's worked pretty great on my EM5s. Shame fuji doesn't know how to make a good camera I guess Huh I seem to be able to pick up dim matter with my EVF just fine on the Xpro1. It had no trouble locking onto your post, for example. KABLAMMO
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Fuji added shitpost tracking to the latest firmware
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Martytoof posted:Huh I seem to be able to pick up dim matter with my EVF just fine on the Xpro1. Just be careful to keep your tears off of it, since it's not weather sealed at all
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8th-snype posted:Supposedly toothpaste is the thing to use. I clearly have not tried (since I sold you that xpro) so ymmv. Does not work, though my screen is now minty fresh.
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8th-snype posted:A travel sized tube of OG Colgate is probably $1 at a convenience store. I bought photoshop so there is no need to brush my teeth - I whiten them in post. Why yes, I am British.
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What the hell is wrong with Sonys control that everyone complains about? I mean for example in A mode, there's one scroll for aperture, one dedicated one for iso (but you can literally leave it in auto anyway), one dedicated exposure compensation wheel and it still leaves you bunch of other buttons for your customization likings. On newer bodies you can even just leave the AF completely alone and let the 399 focus points plus face detection do its thing. Is there something else terribly wrong with it?
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I'm just a big baby who hates PASM dials, poo poo menu systems, and 1,000 AF options.
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Encrypted posted:What the hell is wrong with Sonys control that everyone complains about? Try to change the focus peaking color. It takes ~6 button clicks. Also even simple things like changing metering mode or exposure compensation pop up a menu in your EVF or on the screen. But I agree that most things don't require menu diving, especially if you aren't the fiddly type.
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I'm sure nothing is wrong with it in a vacuum. Fuji and oly have made cameras with far more user friendly controls. The xt1 straight up feels like an old slr and for some of us that's a huge deal.
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I guess I've never seen how bad it is since I just trust the magical 399 points AF since it's impossible to manual focus stuff @ 1.2 or 1.4 reliably, while leaving MF as an option with peaking just one click away. Everything else can be done by dials without even looking 
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Encrypted posted:I guess I've never seen how bad it is since I just trust the magical 399 points AF since it's impossible to manual focus stuff @ 1.2 or 1.4 reliably, while leaving MF as an option with peaking just one click away. As if Sony has 1.2 AF lens.
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Hello friends. I ended up buying a XT1 and plan to be traveling around Asia soon for 2 months. I assume I'll have no issues on buying a lens in Japan if I want and using it since a lens is a lens?
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whatever7 posted:As if Sony has 1.2 AF lens. Encrypted fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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doomisland posted:Hello friends. I ended up buying a XT1 and plan to be traveling around Asia soon for 2 months. I assume I'll have no issues on buying a lens in Japan if I want and using it since a lens is a lens? Shouldn't have any issues using it but warranty might be an issue.
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doomisland posted:Hello friends. I ended up buying a XT1 and plan to be traveling around Asia soon for 2 months. I assume I'll have no issues on buying a lens in Japan if I want and using it since a lens is a lens? Go ahead. Half of my lens were brought from Canada, and Thailand.
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Ill email Fuji on the warranty then. Good to know that's the only potential issue.
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doomisland posted:Ill email Fuji on the warranty then. Good to know that's the only potential issue. Depending on the country/region, I believe Fuji generally sees warranty on their X-series bodies and lenses as international (unless anything has changed since I last looked into it). I hear some locations are more difficult than others, but it should be relatively consistent.
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Totally unrelated to my current camera, but for future reference does anyone know if Fuji will sell spare parts or will they require me to send my camera in for a $$$ out of warranty repair? Will any camera manuf., actually?
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Martytoof posted:Totally unrelated to my current camera, but for future reference does anyone know if Fuji will sell spare parts or will they require me to send my camera in for a $$$ out of warranty repair? Will any camera manuf., actually? Might depend on the part, but it can't hurt to contact them and ask.
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Martytoof posted:Totally unrelated to my current camera, but for future reference does anyone know if Fuji will sell spare parts or will they require me to send my camera in for a $$$ out of warranty repair? Will any camera manuf., actually? AFAIK they do not sell parts. I used to work next to a camera place and the main reason they did not service Fuji cameras is because they could not get parts for them. Fuji wants everything sent to their NJ repair center apparently.
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