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Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

coronatae posted:

Columbine and 9/11 episodes were also pretty good. Especially because the last 9/11 episode was about all the batshit conspiracy theories and how can you not laugh at that absurdity

The Columbine one was cool because they talked about all the bullshit that started within hours of it happening. (They were goths, were bullied, the other bullshit)

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Duke Igthorn
Oct 11, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Leavemywife posted:

Why do people even live in Florida?

Because if you pass out in the snow you die.

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

Cumslut1895 posted:

Mmmm how could you hate my buttery deliciousness mmmm

That actually sums it up. The voice just makes me cringe.


pookel posted:

I don't understand this idea that something becomes less disturbing because you're acting like murder and torture is hilarious. Like .... how does that not make it MORE creepy and awful?

Because they don't act like murder is hilarious? They make jokes about the murderer, about the situation, such as for the Columbine episode, they joked they wouldn't want to be wearing new pants that day, but old sweats so they could be comfy hiding in a closet, or about peripheral stuff like news anchors telling students to turn tvs off, or down, during the event.

It's a way to let up from the unrelenting darkness of these things which are worse than horror movies (which often use a joke to release tension between scares).

It's like how I can't watch Se7en any more, because the movie is just darkness, and I feel dirty after watching it.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib
I was listening to My Favourite Murder and they were talking about the Oakland County Killings which is creepy as gently caress enough but in the podcast they also talked about North Fox Island which I found really really loving creepy.

Basically it was an uninhabited island near Michigan where some dude decided to open up a Christian children's camp:

article posted:


If I've learned anything from researching and writing about crime, it's that a lot of bad things happened in the '70s. That's one of the only reasons I can think for why this wasn't a bigger story at the time.

The Fox Islands are two small, uninhabited islands off the coast of northern Michigan, about 20 miles west of Charlevoix. North Fox is the smaller island, a desolate 800 acres of woods bisected by a prominent airstrip.


North Fox Island

Francis D. Shelden must have found the airstrip convenient. In 1976, he owned North Fox Island, and liked to fly his private plane there --- with a group of unsuspecting young boys as his passengers. But I'll get to that.

Shelden was in his late 40s then, Yale educated, an entrepreneur and heir to a family fortune whose home base was in Ann Arbor. He fancied himself something of a philanthropist. He was also sexually interested in prepubescent boys.

Shelden, with the help of several like-minded associates, decided to combine his interests and started Brother Paul's Children's Mission, a "nature camp" for boys aged 7 to 16, located on his tiny, isolated and uninhabited island.

The organization even obtained tax-exempt status as a charity from the Internal Revenue Service.

The problem was, Brother Paul's was actually a front for an underground child pornography network. Boys were coerced into sexual acts and then photographed for use in porn magazines. Pictures that later turned up in such magazines were determined to have been taken on North Fox Island.

Authorities caught on by the summer of '76, and Brother Paul's chief organizer, Gerald Richards, was arrested on charges of criminal sexual conduct with a minor. Shortly thereafter Shelden was charged, but by then he'd cleaned out his Ann Arbor and island residences and fled in his private plane. The twin-engine plane was later discovered in Arizona.

His father said he believed his son was out of the country. Shelden died in 1996, having been charged but never extradited.

The story's details are almost too sensationalist to believe --- the millionaire pedophile, the scary island, the escape in a private plane.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Oh, man, the Oakland county murders. :smith: Would probably be solved if they happened today.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

pookel posted:

But people laughing about Albert Fish and John Wayne Gacy is even harder to listen to because WTF, how is this a topic for humor?

Like, I could watch a long documentary about 9/11. I do not want to see a comedy routine about 9/11. Everyone seems to agree that would be tasteless, so I'm not sure how this situation is different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrbZxtuUdsQ

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Pondex posted:

They're not completely serious. It's mostly just nerdy exuberance.
Chaos Magick and being a huge dork go hand in hand.

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out
I don't mind the jokiness in My Favorite Murder or in the episodes of The Dollop that are about atrocities, because that seems more relatable and about processing horrifying things through humor. LPotL doesn't work for me, because for me, the bits go on too long and don't really fit in to the stories. Whatever, different people like different things.

GIANT OUIJA BOARD
Aug 22, 2011

177 Years of Your Dick
All
Night
Non
Stop

AlbieQuirky posted:

I don't mind the jokiness in My Favorite Murder or in the episodes of The Dollop that are about atrocities, because that seems more relatable and about processing horrifying things through humor. LPotL doesn't work for me, because for me, the bits go on too long and don't really fit in to the stories. Whatever, different people like different things.

See, I can't stand MFM because they try and be so cutesy about everything. Well that and how they don't care about accuracy.

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


The Hometown Murder episodes of MFM are the best part I think, them reading emails from people describing murders that happened in their hometowns.

Ramos
Jul 3, 2012


Serial's still like my gold standard podcast, no one else seems to make such a well structured, informative, and interesting podcast. Conversations are nice and all but Serial hits everything just right.

Speaking of which, S-Town by the same team is coming out on 3/28 if I remember right, all at once and it's going to be about a small American town with a rich family and the dumbass kid bragging about getting away with a murder. And apparently they made a whole series on it because of how much it unfolded when they sent someone down to investigate.

https://stownpodcast.org/

I am salivating for the release of this.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Cumslut1895 posted:

I think the Ed Gein episodes were the best

The last Dean Corll episode, about how bad the investigation was hosed up, is fantastic

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Avenging_Mikon posted:

That actually sums it up. The voice just makes me cringe.


Because they don't act like murder is hilarious? They make jokes about the murderer, about the situation, such as for the Columbine episode, they joked they wouldn't want to be wearing new pants that day, but old sweats so they could be comfy hiding in a closet, or about peripheral stuff like news anchors telling students to turn tvs off, or down, during the event.

It's a way to let up from the unrelenting darkness of these things which are worse than horror movies (which often use a joke to release tension between scares).

It's like how I can't watch Se7en any more, because the movie is just darkness, and I feel dirty after watching it.

The first episode I ever listened to was the first BTK episode and their musing on whether or not his wife got mad that he never wrote her a poem was what sold me on the show

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Leavemywife posted:

Why do people even live in Florida?

Because we can't fit any more rednecks here in Ohio, so the overflow goes to Florida.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

That drat Satyr posted:

Here Be Monsters is up there for great stories on usually pretty unnerving topics.

Love + Radio can also be pretty unnerving, but most of their stuff is more human interest. L+R's The Red Dot is a jumping off point - it's... Upsetting, but so, so good. (NWS/NMS warning: dude ardently defending pedophilia)

Man like 90% of that podcast is a dude talking about how badly we treat people who were convicted of sex crimes in the past WHICH IS A REAL THING, you make it sound like it's an hour of him talking about how cool child loving is

mod saas
May 4, 2004

Grimey Drawer

MightyJoe36 posted:

Because we can't fit any more rednecks here in Ohio, so the overflow goes to Florida.

Living in Florida and knowing the sheer number of people here from Ohio - and what they're like - I feel like you've just given form to a deep universal truth.

porktree
Mar 23, 2002

You just fucked with the wrong Mexican.
LPotL still sucks. It's like some 8th grade boys with enough autism to fact check did a podcast. On the other hand, no one has mentioned Stranglers- a 12 ep cast about the Boston Strangler(s) which is great.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

porktree posted:

LPotL still sucks. It's like some 8th grade boys with enough autism to fact check did a podcast. On the other hand, no one has mentioned Stranglers- a 12 ep cast about the Boston Strangler(s) which is great.

LPotL is cool and good, actually.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

whiteyfats posted:

Oh, man, the Oakland county murders. :smith: Would probably be solved if they happened today.

Didn't they end at the same time a rich car executive's weird shut-in son killed himself and left a note about how guilty he felt about unspecified horrible things he had done? That's kind of solved, I guess.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Jack Gladney posted:

Didn't they end at the same time a rich car executive's weird shut-in son killed himself and left a note about how guilty he felt about unspecified horrible things he had done? That's kind of solved, I guess.

Yeah, and if I remember correctly, he was a strong suspect, but never enough evidence to charge him with anything.

WaywardWoodwose
May 19, 2008

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:

See, I can't stand MFM because they try and be so cutesy about everything. Well that and how they don't care about accuracy.

I really wanted to like MFM, coming to it from Allie and Georgias podcast, but the first episode I listened to soured me on it. Somewhere they got on a tangent about the documentary The Staircase about Michael Peterson, and just dismissively announced OBVIOUSLY HE DID IT, because HE WAS A SECRET GAY, and IT'S ALWAYS THE HUSBAND, and it really turned me off, because I read it as a pretty deep and creepy story about a district attorney trying to get back at a reporter who had been critical of the the police and the district attorneys office.

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

pookel posted:

I don't understand this idea that something becomes less disturbing because you're acting like murder and torture is hilarious. Like .... how does that not make it MORE creepy and awful?

you do know you're on the website responsible for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AYujWCCHRk right

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
^^That guy gets it

Also I laughed.

SmokaDustbowl
Feb 12, 2001

by vyelkin
Fun Shoe

GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:

Thinking Sideways and Last Podcast On The Left are pretty good podcasts on weird and creepy things. Casefile is great for horrible true crime stories.

last podcast on the left is great

Cumslut1895
Feb 18, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

porktree posted:

LPotL still sucks. It's like some 8th grade boys with enough autism to fact check did a podcast. On the other hand, no one has mentioned Stranglers- a 12 ep cast about the Boston Strangler(s) which is great.

loving autistics. We should reopen the camps

InediblePenguin
Sep 27, 2004

I'm strong. And a giant penguin. Please don't eat me. No, really. Don't try.

Rev. Bleech_ posted:

you do know you're on the website responsible for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AYujWCCHRk right

you know that was more than fifteen years ago right

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

InediblePenguin posted:

you know that was more than fifteen years ago right

wow i had no id-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1SojKfgNI

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

InediblePenguin posted:

you know that was more than fifteen years ago right

Also the only time that meme was really funny was Benny Hill's Passion of the Christ.

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

Jack Gladney posted:

Didn't they end at the same time a rich car executive's weird shut-in son killed himself and left a note about how guilty he felt about unspecified horrible things he had done? That's kind of solved, I guess.

It's covered in that second link about North Fox Island but the blog also mentions that although there is a lot of evidence for Busch to have done it he also didn't really fit the profile.

He exclusively molested boys but the Killer's victims were 2 girls and 2 boys. Also he ALWAYS got caught because he didn't kill his molestation victims. The Killer was methodical in abducting kids who were alone (he was only maybe seen once with the 4th victim) and leaving little evidence.

NO FUCK YOU DAD
Oct 23, 2008
One good (if possibly unintended) side effect of Last Podcast's morning zoo style is it takes away the undeserved mystique and gravitas that a lot of podcasts and authors give to serial killers. BTK's dumb overwrought poetry, for example, deserves to be laughed at, and doing so helps to tear down the "I am the monster, I am the night" bullshit that guys like him get off on.

Imagine if Sword and Scale covered BTK. Imagine how much time that rear end in a top hat would spend waxing lyrical about the stalking monster BTK, meticulously planning his attacks, striking at will. If you took the five minutes of moralising off either side it'd be an hour long press release on how awesome he was. Being laughed for being a weird squirrelly guy who constantly hosed up his attacks and writes poems like a mopey teenage girl takes that away from him, and is exactly what he deserves.

NO FUCK YOU DAD has a new favorite as of 23:44 on Mar 25, 2017

cool kids inc.
May 27, 2005

I swallowed a bug

NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:

One good (if possibly unintended) side effect of Last Podcast's morning zoo style is it takes away the undeserved mystique and gravitas that a lot of podcasts and authors give to serial killers. BTK's dumb overwrought poetry, for example, deserves to be laughed at, and doing so helps to tear down the "I am the monster, I am the night" bullshit that guys like him get off on.


This here is why I enjoy the show. These are not people to glorify or romanticize in any way, and LPOTL seems to get that most serial killers are just looney toons wackjobs that deserve to be mocked. The jokes are never directed at victims.

Also, the Hollow Moon/Earth and wacky conspiracy theory episodes are hilarious.

Cumslut1895
Feb 18, 2015

by FactsAreUseless
also I kind of like the chaos magic thing, at least it's different from the homogeneous crap you get on 90% of other podcasts.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
OK, what the hell is chaos magic?

Precambrian
Apr 30, 2008

Solice Kirsk posted:

OK, what the hell is chaos magic?

The Secret, but for people who think they're too smart to associate with the Oprah crowd.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...
Generation Why isn't bad as a mysteries / crime podcast. Generally decent material, let down some by poor audio quality and slightly rambling hosts.

Cumslut1895
Feb 18, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Precambrian posted:

The Secret, but for people who think they're too smart to associate with the Oprah crowd.

pretty much

Gatekeeper
Aug 3, 2003

He was warrior and mystic, ogre and saint, the fox and the innocent, chivalrous, ruthless, less than a god, more than a man.

cool kids inc. posted:

This here is why I enjoy the show. These are not people to glorify or romanticize in any way, and LPOTL seems to get that most serial killers are just looney toons wackjobs that deserve to be mocked. The jokes are never directed at victims.

Also, the Hollow Moon/Earth and wacky conspiracy theory episodes are hilarious.

I'd never listened to it before but it sounded interesting so I just checked out the first BTK episode and basically the first thing they say is "OK first of all BTK was a fuckin nerd." "Oh yeah a total loving nerd." Followed by "As a kid he liked to tie himself up." "Yeah he started calling himself B then."

This definitely seems like my kind of podcast.

I'm tired of the weird almost reverential treatment serial killers often get on TV shows or articles. It's nice to hear them get torn down a bit instead of being discussed like some sort of mythical larger than life characters.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Precambrian posted:

The Secret, but for people who think they're too smart to associate with the Oprah crowd.

Comics writer Grant Morrison is really into it. He is incredibly open about how, when writing The Invisibles, he wanted to gently caress a redhead, so he wrote the sort of insert of himself as nailing a redhead because he thought that would work. He also asked all his readers to jerk off at the same time while thinking DONT CANCWL THIS BOOK so that it wouldn't be cancelled

Last I checked he got married to a redhead and that book finished so maybe he knows something I don't

Avshalom
Feb 14, 2012

by Lowtax
i despise you all

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Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Speaking of BTK, the book by former profiler John Douglas, Inside the Mind of BTK, is really good. He had access to the shitload of journals and stuff BTK left, and has some pretty interesting stuff to say.

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