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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Every film will eventually come to seem incomplete if you subject it to enough pressure, because films are fictions assembled from a box of scraps. Alfred Hitchcock said he left loose ends in his films all the time and called "ice-box" talk the thoughts you have later when, long after the drama is over, you realize that there are things that didn't make sense. This is what I meant by making the distinction of "actual" plot holes. Like, two parts of a movie that directly contradict each other, or a character having inexplicable knowledge of a scene she wasn't in or soemthing. As opposed to just, "why didin't she do X, that would've been a more efficient way of solving the problem" or whatever.
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boom boom boom posted:This is what I meant by making the distinction of "actual" plot holes. Like, two parts of a movie that directly contradict each other, or a character having inexplicable knowledge of a scene she wasn't in or soemthing. As opposed to just, "why didin't she do X, that would've been a more efficient way of solving the problem" or whatever. Not to repeat myself, but I'd definitely say The Big Sleep fits your criteria. What makes it even better is during production they actually asked Dashiell Hammett, the author of the book the movie is based on, "who killed the chauffeur?" And he didn't know either. Also, the screenplay was written by William Faulkner, yes that William Faulkner.
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Skwirl posted:Not to repeat myself, but I'd definitely say The Big Sleep fits your criteria. What makes it even better is during production they actually asked Dashiell Hammett, the author of the book the movie is based on, "who killed the chauffeur?" And he didn't know either. Also, the screenplay was written by William Faulkner, yes that William Faulkner. I believe the specific anecdote was actually from William Faulkner himself even. While he was adapting the novel he couldn't puzzle out several elements, so he asked Hammett what was going on but Hammett didn't have any answers.
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regulargonzalez posted:The AI's plan in The Matrix to use humans as batteries is a plot hole. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics says you never get as much energy out of a system as you put into it, so the AI would have been better off using what energy was used to keep people alive into directly powering themselves. quote:Morpheus : The human generates more bio-electricity than 120-volt battery and over 25,000 BTVs of body heat. Combined with a form of fusion, the machines have found all the energy they would ever need. They explain it away with  right there in the very scene.
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What in the gently caress jesus christ please tell me that someone has heard that the remake of Big Trouble in Little China starring Dwayne Johnson isn't getting made. I thought I was mad about the Point Break remake, but this, this I cannot stand.
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Actually sounds just fine and cool to me man
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Jun 24, 2015 13:40
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You really think that Dwayne Johnson won't be just kicking rear end and taking names the whole movie? There's no way it will be anything like the original.
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Snak posted:You really think that Dwayne Johnson won't be just kicking rear end and taking names the whole movie? There's no way it will be anything like the original. Dear god, because there's nothing I hate more in cinema than seeing Dwayne Johnson kick rear end and take names. Oh the humanity.
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Skwirl posted:Dear god, because there's nothing I hate more in cinema than seeing Dwayne Johnson kick rear end and take names. Oh the humanity. I mean, I don't mind that, but that's specifically not what Big Trouble in Little China is about.
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I think if i knew how the movie was going to turn out now I'd be buying lottery tickets instead of worrying if they were gunna ruin a movie with a remake.
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Snak posted:I mean, I don't mind that, but that's specifically not what Big Trouble in Little China is about. Dwayne Johnson has enough of a sense of humour about himself that I wouldn't worry too much.
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I guess I'm overreacting. I do really like Dwayne Johnson, and he does have a good sense of humor. And I mean, the worst case scenario is like, we get to see The Rock fight like a 100 ninjas, and when that's your worst case scenario...
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Snak posted:I guess I'm overreacting. I do really like Dwayne Johnson, and he does have a good sense of humor. And I mean, the worst case scenario is like, we get to see The Rock fight like a 100 ninjas, and when that's your worst case scenario... I just keep picturing him playing the character he played in Pain and Gain and so far it works perfectly in my head.
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Snak posted:I mean, I don't mind that, but that's specifically not what Big Trouble in Little China is about. Yeah, the worst part is that when the new BTIL is released the studio is going to destroy all the existing copies of the original so you can never go back and watch the old version. Dastardly, I say. I'm not picking on you specifically, but you are the most recent person to bring up concerns that they are remaking a classic movie. Or game. Or book. Or toy. Or whatever. I'll grant that with some games and toys it's a little difficult to get the original version sometimes, but books and movies are some of the easiest things to get a copy of the original in this day and age. They can't take away any copies of something you already own. If the new one is good, then you surely have room in your heart for both. Just like children. If the new one sucks, you can always go back to your old favorite one. Just like children.
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Jun 24, 2015 16:21
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Also it means more people are watching the original
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Personally I hope they change a lot of stuff about the film. I loving love the original BTLC, but I dont see the point of any remake where all you change is the actors and some incidental details. I'd rather have a totally different movie inspired by the original than a slavish modern recreation.
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SiKboy posted:Personally I hope they change a lot of stuff about the film. I loving love the original BTLC, but I dont see the point of any remake where all you change is the actors and some incidental details. I'd rather have a totally different movie inspired by the original than a slavish modern recreation. I don't think I know of a slavish modern recreation of any film except that one version of Psycho. I mean even stuff like the new Total Recall or Robocop are substantially different from the original, to the point that nerds are crying about how they didn't get the story "right".
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Nerds cry about everything. Nerds are the most reactionary people there are. Ignore nerds. Of a remake is exactly the same they'll complain it's boring and if it's different they'll complain it's ruined. You can't win just don't play.
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computer parts posted:I don't think I know of a slavish modern recreation of any film except that one version of Psycho. For me the issue with those remakes was not the story but that they lost the charm.
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FishBulb posted:Nerds cry about everything. Nerds are the most reactionary people there are. Ignore nerds. Of a remake is exactly the same they'll complain it's boring and if it's different they'll complain it's ruined. You can't win just don't play. Bwhahaha you've never read a sports site in your life.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Bwhahaha you've never read a sports site in your life. If you aren't going to win an Oscar just don't bother, kill yourself
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I'm gonna burn every copy of the original Big Trouble when the remake comes out. I'm making a new history
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Chernabog posted:For me the issue with those remakes was not the story but that they lost the charm. "Charm" being "the age of the viewer".
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Skwirl posted:Not to repeat myself, but I'd definitely say The Big Sleep fits your criteria. What makes it even better is during production they actually asked Dashiell Hammett, the author of the book the movie is based on, "who killed the chauffeur?" And he didn't know either. Also, the screenplay was written by William Faulkner, yes that William Faulkner. The screenplay as originally shot (in 1944) was written by Faulkner and Leigh Brackett, not Faulkner alone. According to legend Bogart preferred the stuff Brackett wrote because he thought Faulkner's version of Marlowe was too effete. The film was not immediately released, and in 1946 new material written by Jules Furthman was shot for a substantially different cut of the film, intended to play up the chemistry between Bogart and Bacall---Hawks had a weird paternal thing for Bacall and disapproved of her relationship with Bogart, who in 1944 was married to someone else, but by 1945 Bogart and Bacall were married and had become the Hollywood couple. So most of the suggestive banter between the two in the theatrical version of the film was added in the second cut, and is Furthman's. The UCLA Film Archive has a positive master of the original 1945 cut, which was shown to troops in the Pacific. It was restored in the '90s for a brief arthouse revival. It's slower and somewhat less confusing than the version that got widespread release, but it's not as great a film.
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THE RETURN
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Bwhahaha you've never read a sports site in your life. Internet sports fans are nerds too.
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CzarChasm posted:Yeah, the worst part is that when the new BTIL is released the studio is going to destroy all the existing copies of the original so you can never go back and watch the old version. Dastardly, I say. Well it's not unheard of Is there a :lucas: like  edit: wassup SubG, hows it hangin?
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Hey BttF nerds: Lexus just unveiled that they made an actual loving hoverboard.
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Snak posted:You really think that Dwayne Johnson won't be just kicking rear end and taking names the whole movie? There's no way it will be anything like the original. Yeah it probably won't be as racist for one thing
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SubG posted:Even blind drunk, which he would be, Hammett would be aware that it was Raymond Chandler, not himself, who wrote The Big Sleep and created Philip Marlowe. I had a brief brain fart and swapped a couple facts in my head with The Maltese Falcon, the other classic Bogey noir film.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Yeah it probably won't be as racist for one thing Shut up.
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I honestly went for an easy zinger and the movie doesn't really deserve that, I would like to walk that one back
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Wasn't much of a zinger either
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The more I think about it, its stance on interracial romance was actually super progressive for the time. I'm glad this was a teaching moment
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That movie is one big subversions of the whole "hyper-competent white guy hero with subservient non-white sidekick goes around solving all of the problems and knowing everything and being better at everything than all the non-white people" shtick. "Racist" is definitely not a great word for it.
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Considering how many weird asian dudes on the internet fly into a rage every time an asian guy on a TV show or movie doesn't end up with a white woman I bet there's at least one thesis out there about how BTILC is racist because Lo Pan doesn't get his white bride.
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Sleeveless posted:Considering how many weird asian dudes on the internet fly into a rage every time an asian guy on a TV show or movie doesn't end up with a white woman I bet there's at least one thesis out there about how BTILC is racist because Lo Pan doesn't get his white bride. Bizarrely, I think Gracie is supposed to be full-on Chinese, but they hired Kim Cattrall because Reasons.
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Crappy Jack posted:Bizarrely, I think Gracie is supposed to be full-on Chinese, but they hired Kim Cattrall because Reasons. That's more common then you would think, even as late as 30 years ago (it also happens today, e.g. Emma Stone in that one Hawaii film).
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Crappy Jack posted:Bizarrely, I think Gracie is supposed to be full-on Chinese, but they hired Kim Cattrall because Reasons. computer parts posted:That's more common then you would think, even as late as 30 years ago (it also happens today, e.g. Emma Stone in that one Hawaii film). I'd wouldn't be surprised if early versions of the script had Gracie as Chinese, but I don't think Kim Cattrall is meant to be portraying a Chinese woman. Do they say her last name at any point in the film?
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