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Sarion posted:Really? I thought Ann Coulter's (tepid) support of gays was one of her only redeeming qualities. Pretty sure she wasn't allowed to come to CPAC this year (or last?) because of her support of GOProud and gay marriage. She's for groups like the Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud because they support conservative causes. She's not actually for giving them equal rights, etc.
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particle409 posted:She's for groups like the Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud because they support conservative causes. She's not actually for giving them equal rights, etc. Also, because they pay her ridiculous speaking fees.
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Jun 16, 2012 12:58
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Orange Devil posted:Eh, the point that Jesus, assuming he was a real person, is ridicilously unlikely to have been white can't be made enough. Yeah, but brown-skinned does describe Obama. If you put foreign born, then they all are misconceptions about Obama.
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Jun 16, 2012 13:02
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Orange Devil posted:Eh, the point that Jesus, assuming he was a real person, is ridicilously unlikely to have been white can't be made enough. Are Jews "white" or not? Lots of Palestinians are arguably "white" too.
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Jun 16, 2012 14:55
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Sulphuric Sundae posted:
How about just, "There's no public school in the US that cares if kids are reading Bibles by themselves on their own time, as the prisoner in that picture is doing."
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Jun 16, 2012 14:57
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Ras Het posted:Are Jews "white" or not? Lots of Palestinians are arguably "white" too. Trying to define someone ethnic group's pigmentation or colour is futile. Only goths are white, otherwise "Caucasians" (so named because the race theorist naming these races thought that people living in Caucasus were the most beautiful and racially pure folks in all of Europe) are kind of pork pink. But there's a lot of variation in that too. But the sticker makes fun of racist double standards, so I think the definition works there.
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Jun 16, 2012 15:06
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Nenonen posted:Trying to define someone ethnic group's pigmentation or colour is futile. Only goths are white, otherwise "Caucasians" (so named because the race theorist naming these races thought that people living in Caucasus were the most beautiful and racially pure folks in all of Europe) are kind of pork pink. But there's a lot of variation in that too. Well yes, I know, that's why I wrote white in quotation marks. I just think that the reverse argument, that Jesus was definitely a swarthy Near Eastern looking bloke, is kind of silly, as Jews do generally fall under the umbrella of "white".
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Jun 16, 2012 17:07
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Ras Het posted:Well yes, I know, that's why I wrote white in quotation marks. I just think that the reverse argument, that Jesus was definitely a swarthy Near Eastern looking bloke, is kind of silly, as Jews do generally fall under the umbrella of "white". But isn't a big part of that because what most people think of as Jews today (Jon Stewart, for example) are descendents of Jews who spent nearly two thousand years in Europe? It doesn't seem unreasonable to assume he would have looked "middle eastern", and I think there's a passage in the bible that describes him as such (for what that's worth). Not that his "whiteness" matters.
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Jun 16, 2012 21:18
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Sarion posted:But isn't a big part of that because what most people think of as Jews today (Jon Stewart, for example) are descendents of Jews who spent nearly two thousand years in Europe? It doesn't seem unreasonable to assume he would have looked "middle eastern", and I think there's a passage in the bible that describes him as such (for what that's worth). Not that his "whiteness" matters. Yeah, and obviously it's a completely cultural category (e.g. the long-held perception of the Irish as some kind of racially inferior savages, and Benjamin Franklin inexplicably describing the Swedes as a "swarthy" race in that one article), but it's also worth noting that the Romans held Palestine before widespread Arabic migration in the area, that Palestinians are genetically really close to Southern Europeans, and that we, for example, know that upper-class Romans were considerably "whiter" than modern Italians (several early emperors were ginger, for example). Jesus' skin colour shouldn't matter, but unfortunately it's a really politically loaded question, and one based on really vague historical arguments.
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Jun 16, 2012 23:01
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Sarion posted:But isn't a big part of that because what most people think of as Jews today (Jon Stewart, for example) are descendents of Jews who spent nearly two thousand years in Europe? It doesn't seem unreasonable to assume he would have looked "middle eastern", and I think there's a passage in the bible that describes him as such (for what that's worth). Not that his "whiteness" matters. There are actually quite a few different Jewish ethnic groups, but the American Jewish stereotype tends to be of the Ashkenazi Jews of central Europe (e.g. Alsace, Germany, etc.), like Albert Einstein and Woody Allen. Other Jewish ethnic groups include the Sephardim of the Iberian Peninsula (e.g. Hank Azaria and Glee's Lea Michelle), the Bukharim of central Asia (e.g. First Lady of Iceland Dorrit Moussaieff), the Mizrahim of North Africa, the Middle East, and central Asia (e.g Issac Mizrahi and Paula Abdul), etc. So, there's a pretty wide range of ethnicities, complexions, cultures, and other features making up Judaism, but Americans seem to just focus on the Ashkenazi, Yiddish-speaking, nebbishy Jew stereotype.
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Got to have the "Why isn't there a Congressional White Caucus?!" conversation with my parents today. Bonus points for "Well, the Africans sold each other into slavery" and "Black on white crime isn't even reported!" Are there any good links or explanations I can send them? I think I bungled my attempts at laying out the usual reasons and I doubt it'll do any good, but I might get through to my dad.
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1stGear posted:Got to have the "Why isn't there a Congressional White Caucus?!" conversation with my parents today. Bonus points for "Well, the Africans sold each other into slavery" and "Black on white crime isn't even reported!" I can only assume your avatar correctly depicts your expression throughout that conversation.
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Jun 17, 2012 06:42
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Yours represents the expression of his parents.
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1stGear posted:Got to have the "Why isn't there a Congressional White Caucus?!" conversation with my parents today. Bonus points for "Well, the Africans sold each other into slavery" and "Black on white crime isn't even reported!" 1. "There is a Congressional White Caucus, it's called 'Congress.'" Similarly, "There is a White History Month, it's from January through December," "There are White History courses in schools/universities, they're called 'European History' and World History,'" and "There is a White Entertainment Channel, it's every channel other than BET, Univision, and Telemundo." 2. "Firstly, certain African tribes selling members of other tribes into slavery doesn't lessen the guilt of any non-Africans who bought, sold, and/or owned Black slaves. Secondly, yes there was slavery in Africa, but the vast majority of those people who became slaves between late 15th century and the middle of the 19th century would have never been kidnapped and sold into slavery if there was not a market for Black slaves among European colonists in the Americas. Thirdly, those European colonists may have needed people to help labor in the colonies, but they didn't need to take slaves. They could have just as easily paid those people to work on their farms, homes, and other places in New World colonies, treating them humanely as free employees, but instead they chose to buy people as slaves and literally work them to death while doing their best to destroy their native cultures." 3. "'Black on White crime' does get reported all the time. It's just that white people frequently don't pay attention to it until they need to grasp for straws when other people are angry about cases of hate crimes against non-whites and the general systemic racism in America. More importantly, those cases of 'Black on White crime' are usually not cases of hate crimes where the Black criminal victimizes the white person because they are white, i.e. a hate crime. They are usually just cases of crime of greed, lust, anger, etc. where the victim happens to be White and the perpetrator happens to be Black. Conversely, there are many, many cases of Black people who are victimized by Whites simply because they are Black, like the Black man who was killed by being repeatedly run over by a truck full of White teens in 2011. For a more statistical look at hate crimes, let's see what the FBI has to say: http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/november/hatecrimes_111411/hatecrimes_111411 quote:Intimidation…vandalism…assault…rape…murder. These are crimes by anyone’s definition. But add an element of bias against the victims—because of their race or religion, for example—and these traditional crimes become hate crimes.
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Also, isn't Zimmerman hispanic, or part hispanic? So wouldn't the whole Trayvon Martin case be an example of a non-"white on black hate crime" reported by the media?
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Sarion posted:Also, isn't Zimmerman hispanic, or part hispanic? So wouldn't the whole Trayvon Martin case be an example of a non-"white on black hate crime" reported by the media?
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Yeah, I tried all of those.  I think I'll just have to accept that even my dad has become a social conservative in his old age. I'd like to engage them in discussion about those kind of issues but I know from experience that there's pretty much no way to do it without everyone involved getting mad.
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Strudel Man posted:people claiming that they used that phrase over simply 'Hispanic' in order to fit a white-on-black crime narrative. I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain to people that this is a perfectly acceptable description if, for some reason, you have to define ethnicity/skin color. Hispanic covers such a huge variety of appearances, enough that I've seen "white, non-Hispanic" as an option a few times when filling in forms. People always assume there's an agenda when they're ignorant and think someone is wrong.
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bairfanx posted:I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain to people that this is a perfectly acceptable description if, for some reason, you have to define ethnicity/skin color. Hispanic covers such a huge variety of appearances, enough that I've seen "white, non-Hispanic" as an option a few times when filling in forms. Plus if I remember correctly, Zimmerman is actually of mixed heritage; I think his father is white and mother is hispanic. But I think what really gets me about the "why isn't anyone reporting black on white hate crime" crowd is that they don't understand what makes something a hate crime. It has nothing to do with the race or gender identity or sexual orientation of the victim vs the perpetrator. Its all about the motivation. A white guy killing a black guy is not always a hate crime. But a gay homophobe who takes out his self loathing on other gay men is committing a hate crime. As are a bunch of teenagers who beat up a kid who they think is gay, regardless of whether he really is or not.
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bairfanx posted:I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain to people that this is a perfectly acceptable description if, for some reason, you have to define ethnicity/skin color. Hispanic covers such a huge variety of appearances, enough that I've seen "white, non-Hispanic" as an option a few times when filling in forms. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jun 18, 2012 |
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Strudel Man posted:I don't think anyone's claiming that it's incorrect, per se - the argument I've seen is that in any other circumstance, 'Hispanic' would have been sufficient description, and that 'white' was only included in this case to fit the aforementioned narrative. See this opinion piece on the subject. I see what you're saying. I took what I quoted to mean that they had contrived the term for the sake of the white/black narrative.
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Now im just confused. I got this on facebook:quote:It's poo poo like this that illustrates how utterly absurd this administrations solution to the problem is... http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/20...leplusclickthru Is there some change to the TSA that the Obama administration made for this kind of thing to happen? All I know is that the TSA was passed by a republican congress and Bush. So???
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Now im just confused. I got this on facebook: Look on the bright side. The woman is a former TSA agent so at least a TSA agent has finally been charged with inappropriately touching someone.
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I wish that if you wrote an article that worried openly about the standing of white people in general you automatically woke up black and gay the next day. "God, white people are being treated so UNFAIRLY!" - A dumb person
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prom candy posted:I wish that if you wrote an article that worried openly about the standing of white people in general you automatically woke up black and gay the next day. I've got an idea for a reality show about some Libtard or conservative who has to live on welfare/the streets long enough to either show that welfare queens aren't really a thing, or to bootstrap their way into making 30K a year from nothing. Could never be done, between the impracticalities of filming a "homeless person", and the fact that an actual temporarily embarrassed millionaire would have a head start compared to an actual lower-class individual, but it's an interesting idea.
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darthbob88 posted:I've got an idea for a reality show about some Libtard or conservative who has to live on welfare/the streets long enough to either show that welfare queens aren't really a thing, or to bootstrap their way into making 30K a year from nothing. Could never be done, between the impracticalities of filming a "homeless person", and the fact that an actual temporarily embarrassed millionaire would have a head start compared to an actual lower-class individual, but it's an interesting idea. Are you a betting man? 
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darthbob88 posted:I've got an idea for a reality show about some Libtard or conservative who has to live on welfare/the streets long enough to either show that welfare queens aren't really a thing, or to bootstrap their way into making 30K a year from nothing. Could never be done, between the impracticalities of filming a "homeless person", and the fact that an actual temporarily embarrassed millionaire would have a head start compared to an actual lower-class individual, but it's an interesting idea. It's possible, especially with reality TV magic. The real hard thing is raising a family on it.
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darthbob88 posted:I've got an idea for a reality show about some Libtard or conservative who has to live on welfare/the streets long enough to either show that welfare queens aren't really a thing, or to bootstrap their way into making 30K a year from nothing. Could never be done, between the impracticalities of filming a "homeless person", and the fact that an actual temporarily embarrassed millionaire would have a head start compared to an actual lower-class individual, but it's an interesting idea. Actually, there was a college graduate who did just this as an experiment, and was eventually able to get himself into decent housing with minimum wage jobs. The problem with that and your idea is that the homeless are disproportionately mentally/physically disabled or ill and/or may have drug addictions or illegal self-medicating practices to boot.
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babies havin rabies posted:Actually, there was a college graduate who did just this as an experiment, and was eventually able to get himself into decent housing with minimum wage jobs. He had to abort his experiment early to take care of a sick family member. It's a lifestyle where a single setback can put you all the way back to zero.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:He had to abort his experiment early to take care of a sick family member. It's a lifestyle where a single setback can put you all the way back to zero. He had the option to leave his job and take care of his family member. Most people on minimum wage don't have that option, showing that his whole experiment was meaningless.
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Lady Gaza posted:He had the option to leave his job and take care of his family member. Most people on minimum wage don't have that option, showing that his whole experiment was meaningless. Actually, it is a great example of how having a metaphorical "safety net" can make a difficult situation a bit easier to manage.
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Read "People of the Abyss" by Jack London.
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Lady Gaza posted:He had the option to leave his job and take care of his family member. Most people on minimum wage don't have that option, showing that his whole experiment was meaningless. Do you guys have a good link for this? I'd like to read/share it.
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The guy also had a college degree, iirc. While he didn't use it as a reference to get jobs, education definitely gave him a massive leg up on things like handling finances and other life basics.
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VideoTapir posted:Read "People of the Abyss" by Jack London. You can read it here for free.
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ELECTION 2012 IS COMING HERE IS ALL I WANT Obama: Gone! Borders: Closed! Language: English! Culture: Constitution, and the Bill of Rights! Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare! No Freebies to: Non-Citizens! ALSO---- BALANCED BUDGET! TAX REFORM! AND TERM LIMITS FOR CONGRESS & SENATORS Only 86% will send this on. Should be a 100%
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But how does he know so precisely how many will send it on before they've sent it on? 
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From the NRA thing before, quote:The NRA claim is cherry-picking an extreme, worst-case interpretation of a 2005 amendment to expand the definition of armor-piercing ammunition, which is legal to own or use in the United States but illegal to purchase or make.  You can't buy it or make it but you can have it? How are you supposed to have it if you didn't buy it or make it?
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Aw dangit, someone left the border open again. Sheesh! Come on, guys.
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2012 Elections coming. ALL i WANT Obama: Gone! Borders: Focus on reducing demand for coming in! Wars: Don't start new ones, and GTFO! Drugs: Stop the stupid Drug war! Culture: Evidence and reason, and the bill of rights! Language: English most of the time! No Freebies to: Religious! ALSO---- BALANCED BUDGET (or at least closer to it, wont happen by cutting taxes and raising spending) TAX REFORM (simplify, less excemptions for lobbyist $$)! AND ONLY 86% WILL SEND THIS ON AND I DONT UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MEANS IT WILL COVER ALL OF FACEBOOK IN LIKE 30 MINUTES. ALSO I MAKE UP STATISTICS.
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