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A paragon of anti-imperialism (that saber-rattles over a colony on the Iberian mainland):
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Private Speech posted:I knew you'd bring that up I'm not sure it's accurate to call it part of Africa when it's 1200 miles off the nearest bit of Africa.
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Apr 2, 2017 18:44
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fishmech posted:I'm not sure it's accurate to call it part of Africa when it's 1200 miles off the nearest bit of Africa. Which continent it belongs to then. It's 4000 km (2500 miles) away from the nearest part of mainland South America.
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Apr 2, 2017 18:47
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I don't think it matters how far away these colonies are from the countries they belong to as long as the people who live there have their wishes heard and respected.
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Apr 2, 2017 18:48
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kapparomeo posted:I'm sure that France will join their Spanish friends in the spirit of a modern, progressive, united One Europe and echo Spain's plea to end centuries of imperial iniquity represented by Gibraltar and so also immediately withdraw from Guiana. Nah, while the Brits are busy in their slapfight against the Spaniards, France will take over Jersey and Guernsey.
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Apr 2, 2017 18:49
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kapparomeo posted:I'm sure that France will join their Spanish friends in the spirit of a modern, progressive, united One Europe and echo Spain's plea to end centuries of imperial iniquity represented by Gibraltar and so also immediately withdraw from Guiana.
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Apr 2, 2017 18:51
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Toplowtech posted:Considering that the situation in Guinea is that the locals are maintaining (they just refused a 1 billion € investment promise) a full strike to get their own Judiciary court (don't loving ask me why they don't have one yet, we are loving terrible at colonizing i swear), some french police force to help secure the place and a new prison, you may found out independence may not be exactly what they want, but sure let's have a referendum everywhere concerned if you want. And in Gibraltar's last referendum on sovereignty 98% voted to remain a British territory. Can Spain be censured by the UN for its flagrant disregard for the principle of self-determination enshrined in its international charter?
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Apr 2, 2017 19:02
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With a French veto thats unlikely
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Apr 2, 2017 19:09
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kapparomeo posted:And in Gibraltar's last referendum on sovereignty 98% voted to remain a British territory. Can Spain be censured by the UN for its flagrant disregard for the principle of self-determination enshrined in its international charter?
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Apr 2, 2017 19:10
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Toplowtech posted:Didn't they also massively voted to stay in Europe during the brexit vote? Look IDK just do a referendum again, so we can have a clear answer rather than a war? Hell, they could vote to remain outside both spain and england but as a new European country for all i care. What's more clear than 98%?
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Apr 2, 2017 19:13
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The referendums will continue to be held until correct result is produced.
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Pissflaps posted:What's more clear than 98%? Not quite as high but they voted >96% to remain in the EU, too.
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Apr 2, 2017 19:15
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Pissflaps posted:What's more clear than 98%? Private Speech posted:Not quite as high but they voted >96% to remain in the EU, too. lol
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Apr 2, 2017 19:17
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Private Speech posted:Not quite as high but they voted >96% to remain in the EU, too. They voted 96% for the UK to remain in the EU.
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Apr 2, 2017 19:18
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^^^^Clarity on what the locals want is clearly an enemy of the English crown. Let's point guns at each other instead.  Pissflaps posted:What's more clear than 98%? Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Apr 2, 2017 19:18
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Toplowtech posted:^^^^Clarity on what the locals want is clearly an enemy of the English crown. Let's point guns at each other instead. This is getting really bizarre now.
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Apr 2, 2017 19:23
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Pissflaps posted:This is getting really bizarre now.
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Apr 2, 2017 19:27
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Toplowtech posted:Then stop worrying, it's just our way to celebrate the UK returns to its "assholes to everyone" status. Return?
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Cat Mattress posted:Return? Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Apr 2, 2017 19:41
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The only possible solution for Gibraltar is to do a Singapore and declare independence from both the UK and the EU.
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Toplowtech posted:They stopped pretending they were in the EU when it please them to do so, so yes, full return. Aren't the roads from spain to gibraltar fully open without even a border fence at the moment btw? Not exactly but it was the quickest border crossing of my life. And I was driving!
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Apr 2, 2017 20:02
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https://twitter.com/arappeport/status/848612347711283200 So does anyone have any idea what 'outside distractions' means here, because I haven't the slightest clue what the hell he's talking about.
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Apr 2, 2017 20:24
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/arappeport/status/848612347711283200 
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I'm Spanish and personally this seems like it should be a non-issue, as the right to self-determination comes first. That's not a popular opinion here though. Allow me to provide some context:Toplowtech posted:^^^^Clarity on what the locals want is clearly an enemy of the English crown. Let's point guns at each other instead. Spain doesn't recognize the UK's territorial sovereignty over Gibraltar, since technically the Treaty of Utretch specifically said they had none (they only got to own the city and the port). Of course this treaty also said jews and moors shouldn't be allowed to live in Gibraltar and "infest" Spain's coast, so 300 years later you may wanna take it with a grain of salt. At any rate, the UK does claim territorial sovereignty as well as 3 miles' worth of territorial waters, which Spain doesn't accept. Other noteworthy stuff: the land border was supposed to be closed according to the treaty, and it was only opened in 1985 since that was one of the conditions for Spain's EU membership. Of course now they want to push that issue. And there's the fact that Gibraltar is currently a tax haven, and has more registered companies than inhabitants. Even if that wasn't the case, our conservative government isn't big on the right to self-determination, given Catalonia's separatist movement (and other smaller ones). Pinch Me Im Meming posted:The only possible solution for Gibraltar is to do a Singapore and declare independence from both the UK and the EU. On that note, there's this part of the treaty: And in case it shall hereafter seem meet to the Crown of Great Britain to grant , sell or by any means to alienate therefrom the propriety of the said town of Gibraltar, it is hereby agreed and concluded that the preference of having the sale shall always be given to the Crown of Spain before any others. Which I have no doubt Spain would bring up should Gibraltar attempt anything like that.
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Apr 2, 2017 20:35
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Let's settle Olivença while we're at it.
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Apr 2, 2017 21:02
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Uh just in case I wasn't clear, I think Spain's push for a land grab is ridiculous and uncalled for. I was just trying to elaborate on why they're making it an issue in the first place.
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Apr 2, 2017 21:05
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The tories are always making GBS threads their pants about ghosts like that. Back during the chunnel discussions they thought it was a secret plan by France to reenact the napoleonic wars and invade the country.
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Apr 2, 2017 21:11
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Don't discuss the secret invasion plans in the thread, please. Crossposting from the politically loaded maps thread: Platystemon posted:Make Doggerland Dry Again Kassad fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Apr 2, 2017 21:16
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/arappeport/status/848612347711283200 are we getting a false flag attack
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Apr 2, 2017 21:45
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Kurtofan posted:are we getting a false flag attack Maybe he is planning to drone-strike everyone except Le Pen?
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Apr 2, 2017 22:42
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https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/848588066172391424 "I'm not saying we should go to war, I'm saying we should do what we did with the Falklands"
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YF-23 posted:https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/848588066172391424 Protect the civilian population from the military aggression of a foreign power? Sounds eminently reasonable.
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Apr 3, 2017 00:08
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I love that diplomacy in the age of trump is conducted by retarded toddlers.I'm personally hoping for another war of Jenkins ear myself.
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Apr 3, 2017 00:16
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Elman posted:Uh just in case I wasn't clear, I think Spain's push for a land grab is ridiculous and uncalled for. I was just trying to elaborate on why they're making it an issue in the first place. I'm just loving with you, no one here gives a gently caress about Olivença. I think the last war we had should last us another generation at least before anyone raises war as a possibility without being pelted with rotten cabbage.
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YF-23 posted:https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/848588066172391424 ""I'm not saying we should go to war, I'm just conspicuously adjusting my codpiece in case our neighbors forgot the kind of people we are."
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Pissflaps posted:Protect the civilian population from the military aggression of a foreign power? And it would have been, if he didn't couch it in terms of "we should show what kind of people we are" and "theresa may should make a show of strength just like thatcher did". He could have easily talked about this as something that Spain chooses to escalate, and hell, the journalist gave him an out by asking if he's saying "we should go to war if necessary" and he didn't take it.
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Apr 3, 2017 01:41
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I can picture it already, spanish tanks crossing the border, masses of civilians in the streets waving british flags and the bloodlusting spanish indiscriminately open fire. A woman attempting to flee trips and loses control of her union jack stroller which is mercilessly crushed by a tank. Retirees seek shelter in a church and sing God Save the Queen while a swarthy mob piles bales of straw in front of the doors and windows and soak them in gasoline.
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MeLKoR posted:I can picture it already, spanish tanks crossing the border, masses of civilians in the streets waving british flags and the bloodlusting spanish indiscriminately open fire. A woman attempting to flee trips and loses control of her union jack stroller which is mercilessly crushed by a tank. Retirees seek shelter in a church and sing God Save the Queen while a swarthy mob piles bales of straw in front of the doors and windows and soak them in gasoline. I'm so close
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Senor Dog posted:I'm so close A lone monkey hops down the street, fleeing in terror.
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YF-23 posted:And it would have been, if he didn't couch it in terms of "we should show what kind of people we are" and "theresa may should make a show of strength just like thatcher did". He could have easily talked about this as something that Spain chooses to escalate, and hell, the journalist gave him an out by asking if he's saying "we should go to war if necessary" and he didn't take it. If Spain invades Gibraltar in the morning I don't think they could reasonably point to this interview with a washed up politician as being the start of hostilities.
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