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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Interesting article about the Lenin Sovkhoz, a collective farm that has survived into 2017: https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2017/0906/In-capitalist-Russia-a-socialist-garden-flourishes

More of a co-op, really. Their main crops are strawberries.

Pavel Grudinin, the director of Lenin Sovkhoz, has just been picked as the Communist Party's candidate for the 2018 elections, replacing Gennady Zyuganov who has been Communist leader since 1993.

Hi Pavel, communist strawberry man!



this is fuckin cool

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

Zyuganov was a useless pos, and hopefully they'll start doing something other than being also-rans.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
lol they've been keeping Zyuganov around this whole time?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
heard a lot of comparisons between grudinin and robert owen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Owen

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Zyuganov was a useless pos, and hopefully they'll start doing something other than being also-rans.
why would you think that



oh

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Dec 25, 2017

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
Collective farm chat always reminds me of how my wife’s grandfather convinced the workers on the collective farm he ran to get refrigerators and televisions by threatening to fire them

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

lancemantis posted:

hahaha this woman had to be like 3 when the USSR collapsed


even better

so only when the ussr collapsed and everything went to poo poo did her family move to the us? interesting :thunk:

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Interesting article about the Lenin Sovkhoz, a collective farm that has survived into 2017: https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2017/0906/In-capitalist-Russia-a-socialist-garden-flourishes

More of a co-op, really. Their main crops are strawberries.

Pavel Grudinin, the director of Lenin Sovkhoz, has just been picked as the Communist Party's candidate for the 2018 elections, replacing Gennady Zyuganov who has been Communist leader since 1993.

Hi Pavel, communist strawberry man!



you know i had to do it to em

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

Darkman Fanpage posted:

so only when the ussr collapsed and everything went to poo poo did her family move to the us? interesting :thunk:

also between her tweets and everything I suspect she’s a Christian convert for financial gain

I’m sure it’s a proud moment for her ancestors who survived the Soviet antisemitism and previous pogroms which she’s perfectly willing to invoke for her own gain

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

https://twitter.com/LaterCapitalism/status/945220863221256192

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8je64jy5Nds

holy poo poo this loving dude

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

garth marenghi on communism

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
https://twitter.com/theowlman_gamer/status/945666875266097153

hello vote stalin in this lovely conservative gamer's stupid poll

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

as much as i love voting for stalin that would mean breaking the cardinal rule (never interact with twitter)

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Darkman Fanpage posted:

conservative gamer

*tumour spontaneously pops into existence on my lung*

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Darkman Fanpage posted:

https://twitter.com/theowlman_gamer/status/945666875266097153

hello vote stalin in this lovely conservative gamer's stupid poll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA60L_NQYm0&t=2s

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011
“Putin isn’t fascist, Russia has a political opposition”

https://twitter.com/trtworld/status/945727164535644160

“Russia isn’t imperialist, they are just backing their historical ally, not taking advantage of a civil war to enhance their geopolitical position”

https://twitter.com/maryamsaleh/status/945699072094203904

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC1TBxflN2I

quote:

It may seem that October revolution 100 years anniversary may not be just a date: there was a big surprise this year: the nomination of Paul Grudinin as Russian Presidential candidate of the Communist Party and Pan-Left coalition.

>How did it happen?

Grudinin was primaried by the Left Front - the most prominent non-parliamentary Left wing radical organisation. It was busted past 2011 election protests in Moscow, and its leaders, Sergey Udaltsov in particular, was imprisoned for 5 years. As soon as he served his sentence (late August), he quickly sprung into action. Just now, Grudinin was formally nominated by the Communist Party of Russian Federation - a weak and impotent structure by itself, but with an administrative capacity second only to the government itself.

>Who is Grudinin?

He is a 50-something old man who lived and worked in Lenin collective farm in Moscow region. As the Soviet Union collapsed, and everything got pillaged by porky, he became the leader of a group aiming to preserve it for what it was: a working agricultural factory farm, rather than being broke down and sold.

It isn't a collective farm, though, but a Closed joint-stock company, but with a twist: as a result, its' worker receives countless benefits: 3-5 times higher salary, free apartments, an entirely different level of social security than the rest of Russia. A sort of hybrid form of enterprise that was established as they went, and a State within a state (that grew around two times in population since it was established).

Grudinin wasn't involved in politics, apart from several professional positions as successful agricultural industrialist, and generally expressing favour to the Soviet Union and dissatisfaction with the current affairs.

>What is his platform?

Social democracy, with particular appeal to China (which is viewed as what the Soviet Union should have done) and European social democracies. He does not have a definitive political programme yet, as it would be a compromise of parties and organisations that backed him up.

>What does it mean?

A huge step up for the Left-wing forces in Russia, and Left Front in particular, a powerful bid for power that wasn't seen in decades. Whether win or lose, the Left will assert a stronger position and organisation in Russian politics.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Darkman Fanpage posted:

https://twitter.com/theowlman_gamer/status/945666875266097153

hello vote stalin in this lovely conservative gamer's stupid poll

stalin at 73% :ussr:

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

This dude looks disturbingly similar to my uncle

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Dreddout posted:

This dude looks disturbingly similar to my uncle
is his name joe?

Sloppy Milkshake
Nov 9, 2004

I MAKE YOU HUMBLE


lmao at hillary being lower than hitler

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Sloppy Milkshake posted:

lmao at hillary being lower than hitler

tbf before i found the poll only like 12 people had voted and they were all chuds so it was either hitler or trump for them

https://twitter.com/TheOwlMan_Gamer/status/945774435893743622

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

A Typical Goon posted:

“Putin isn’t fascist, Russia has a political opposition”

“Russia isn’t imperialist, they are just backing their historical ally, not taking advantage of a civil war to enhance their geopolitical position”

don't post itt

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

is his name joe?

Nah, but I'm not about to dox my uncle on Cspam.

Suffice to say he's a hispanic mechanic living in South Texas with a severe allergy to wearing shirts.

That should narrow it down to about 10000 dudes

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

don't post itt

apologies for insulting your ‘leftist’ ideals by showing the fascist tendencies of your favourite authoritarian right wing state

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Navalny is a fascist lmao

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/945789747460558848

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

GalacticAcid posted:

Navalny is a fascist

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

A Typical Goon posted:

apologies for insulting your ‘leftist’ ideals by showing the fascist tendencies of your favourite authoritarian right wing state

you're literally just trying to drag in drama from a gassed thread, gently caress off

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
navalny's base is lumpenproletariat

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

navalny's base is lumpenproletariat

quote:

Of all people, it is quite ironic Navalny now leads a movement protesting corruption. This past February, Navalny was found guilty of embezzling $500,000 worth of timber from Russian state-owned timber company Kirovles while working as a volunteer. Prior to that, Navalny was convicted of defrauding $440,000 from a cosmetics company in 2014.

On top of his white-collar crime record, Navalny has supported various fascist tendencies during his rise to political prominence. In 2006, Navalny announced his support for the Russian March, which his own (former) party Yabloko condemned for its “fascist, Nazi, xenophobic manifestations”.

Navalny went on to endorse the “Stop feeding the Caucasus!” campaign opposing financial aid to poor regions comprised (mostly) by ethnic minorities. In 2011, Navalny even described himself as a “nationalist democrat”.

Furthermore, Navalny co-founded the Democratic Alternative movement using funds from the U.S. State Department’s National Endowment for Democracy (NED). The NED is a slush fund used by the U.S. government to fund political organizations and “civil society” groups that will further U.S. imperialist interests.

banning white collar criminals from elections is good imo

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

you're literally just trying to drag in drama from a gassed thread, gently caress off

actually it was when discussing the definition of fascism in this thread. This was your argument for why Putin isn’t a fascist.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

fascists wouldn't tolerate any opposition.

if your worldview has you defending a right wing dictatorship in so many threads you get confused perhaps it’s time to reevaluate identification as a leftist?

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

But Luke dies?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

A Typical Goon posted:

actually it was when discussing the definition of fascism in this thread. This was your argument for why Putin isn’t a fascist.


if your worldview has you defending a right wing dictatorship in so many threads you get confused perhaps it’s time to reevaluate identification as a leftist?

That argument is self-evidently true, but you're still mad enough to drag it in from a gassed thread. You're the one with the problem here, m8

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
putin isn't a fascist. he's an authoritarian for sure, but not a fascist. i think putin is a technocratic type of leader like singapore's lee kuan yew, and putin's vision for russia is that of a federation ruled by an illiberal bureaucracy.

slightly different from lee kuan yew though as putin has waged brutal wars to maintain the territorial integrity of the federation, and has knee-capped plenty of journalists and dissidents who have gotten in the way. well actually lee kuan yew might've done the latter.

navalny is a russian ethno-nationalist who sees putin's technocratic federation as an undemocratic system which maintains itself via corrupt and clientistic relationships between the kremlin and lower administrative regions, republics etc.

to be honest i don't really know russia all that well so this is my very superficial reading on this whole thing.

i don't think navalny is a fascist though. there are varying degrees here. the most generous take on navalny is that he wants russia to be more like another european country. "the czech republic for the czechs" and a "russian republic for the russians." like, let's face the facts that a lot of european countries have a relationship between the "nation" and "state."

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i don't think navalny is a fascist though. there are varying degrees here. the most generous take on navalny is that he wants russia to be more like another european country. "the czech republic for the czechs" and a "russian republic for the russians."

But Russia is already a multi-ethnic & religiously plural federation. What happens to all the autonomous oblasts when Navalny makes a Russia for the Russians?

General rule of thumb is that whoever the Western media lionizes as an anti-Putinist liberal hero would be even worse than Putin. Either because they have low key fascist sympathies, or they want to drag Russia back into the 90s, and Navalny does both.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Dreddout posted:

But Luke dies?

Yeah saving the bougie Resistance.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

But Russia is already a multi-ethnic & religiously plural federation. What happens to all the autonomous oblasts when Navalny makes a Russia for the Russians?
good question

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

General rule of thumb is that whoever the Western media lionizes as an anti-Putinist liberal hero would be even worse than Putin. Either because they have low key fascist sympathies, or they want to drag Russia back into the 90s, and Navalny does both.
yeah

though i'm not certain a liberal nationalist like navalny would plunge russia back into the 90s

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Dec 27, 2017

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

But Russia is already a multi-ethnic & religiously plural federation. What happens to all the autonomous oblasts when Navalny makes a Russia for the Russians?

General rule of thumb is that whoever the Western media lionizes as an anti-Putinist liberal hero would be even worse than Putin. Either because they have low key fascist sympathies, or they want to drag Russia back into the 90s, and Navalny does both.

Do you have any proof that Navalny is as bad as you’re making out to be? From what I can tell he’s just a milquetoast anti-Putin centrist who would likely be just as big a pawn of the oligarchs as Putin is. I mean I don’t give a poo poo about Russia regardless it’s all the same poo poo.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

Darkman Fanpage posted:

Do you have any proof that Navalny is as bad as you’re making out to be? From what I can tell he’s just a milquetoast anti-Putin centrist who would likely be just as big a pawn of the oligarchs as Putin is. I mean I don’t give a poo poo about Russia regardless it’s all the same poo poo.

You mean aside from the stuff I already quoted?

I guess you could say being as bad as Putin is the best case scenario. The question you should be asking is, why does western media lionize a guy as an anti-corruption figure when he's already demonstrably corrupt?

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