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WrenP-Complete posted:We updated the Irma charities list (found here - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Um3j5mHkS7bR72Zc625qtQ0P1QRNCXPGtIMx7HWKNb), and we have some charities specifically for USVI and non mainland US. this is good and you are good. thanks.
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No Butt Stuff posted:The worst part about all the 9/11 ceremonies is the people who are incapable of letting others mourn/remember in their own way. Oh, you don't want to watch the ceremonies and talk about what it was like watching the towers come down? Well you must be an al-Qaeda sympathizer! Or conversely, "you want to keep fetishizing this day every year, you're broken just move on." People will bitch about the stupidest stuff. Everyone copes differently. If the 9/11 retrospectives aren't your game you can watch day 22 of the Hurricane Apocalypse on the Weather Channel.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:God, I hope so. However, I fear that Kelly will edit his speech down to: I think you pretty much nailed it, except you left out a mention of his huge electoral college victory.
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Boris Galerkin posted:100% he wasn't oblivious to it. He knows. But all of his peers and cop buddies do the same, so he had to fit in. This is also exactly what the dude in the video says. He knows it's "one bad apple" but at the same time he knows that one bad apple spoils the entire thing. Maybe this cop didn't start off this way, but the "one bad apples" certainly changed him and everyone else in his squad, assuming he wasn't like this already. In large part that "bad apple" isn't even a cop, his name is Dave Grossman. He travels around the country doing "safety" workshops for police officers which basically are a pep rally for how when you kill somebody as a cop, you're going to go home and have the best sex of your life. He also wrote a book called "On Killing" which is extraordinarily masturbatory.
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Boon posted:At the very least, 9/11 represents an inflection point in America and in history in general and that should be pondered. yeah at the very least it's definitely a before and after moment. With uh nothing good coming after.
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Reminder that USPOL is back for non Trump related USPOL https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3833800 Being I'm a horrible statist, the tax is all animals, dogs only is too regressive.
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A friend of mine died in a ski accident back in 1999. I still visit her grave twice a year: once on her birthday and once on the day she died. I don't get "broke brains" about it, but it's a nice way for me to remember somebody that meant a lot to me. I consider it a way of celebrating her life. Also, she died on March 15, so I make a lot of perverse "Ides of March" jokes. The perversion of the 9/11 ceremonies is that they have nothing to do with remembering or celebrating the victims. It's the political equivalent of wearing an American flag lapel pin. Politicians are effectively required to mourn to show how patriotic they are.
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16 years ago, the president bragged that his building was now the tallest building in New York.
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Rigel posted:16 years ago, the president bragged that his building was now the tallest building in New York. I feel like this is one of those times a small idea like this should be trending on Twitter, but that would be a Good Thing.
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Your Taint posted:I think you pretty much nailed it, except you left out a mention of his huge electoral college victory. You're right. "and let me tell you folks I had a huge victory. biggest one ever" "what was Crooked Hillary doing on 9/11?" "Obama created ISIS"
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Carlosologist posted:We're also crossing that plane where kids who are going to vote in 2018 will have no memory at all of the event. 2020 will feature those who remember it as that dumb thing we talk about every year in social studies/history Not too far after 2020 you'll have teachers teaching the social studies class that were infants when 9/11 happened who are teaching that class.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:49
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TheMadMilkman posted:The perversion of the 9/11 ceremonies is that they have nothing to do with remembering or celebrating the victims. It's the political equivalent of wearing an American flag lapel pin. 1) Be religious "We worship God in America!" 2) Never Forget "Our values will endure." 3) Condemn Nazis "There is hatred and bigotry, ON MANY SI--D'OH!"
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coyo7e posted:In large part that "bad apple" isn't even a cop, his name is Dave Grossman. He travels around the country doing "safety" workshops for police officers which basically are a pep rally for how when you kill somebody as a cop, you're going to go home and have the best sex of your life. Oh yeah, this is the murder boner guy. Whenever I hear about him, I think of this (also relevant to 9/11 references): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG8krx040VE
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Communities Nationwide Create Local Monuments With Sept. 11 Artifacts This was an odd segment on Morning Edition. People flocking to random museums in the middle of nowhere to touch salvaged pieces of the WTC, like they were pilgrims in the Middle Ages pursuing saints' relics.
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TyroneGoldstein posted:Fixed that for you. Come on. DreamShipWrecked posted:Why "move on" as a country when we could hold a vigil for this every year to prop up the "violent Islam" narriative? A free bump for Are Troops every year is not going to get passed over. To be fair, American doesn't have to hold a vigil to prop up that narrative. Extremist incidents still happen and are very useful for propping up the narrative that all Muslims are violent.
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Deteriorata posted:Communities Nationwide Create Local Monuments With Sept. 11 Artifacts I don't think Bin Laden ever predicted how he and his band would literally break some people's brains. Theyre building one of these in my home town. In the Pacific northwest.
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Chilichimp posted:To be fair, American doesn't have to hold a vigil to prop up that narrative. Extremist incidents still happen and are very useful for propping up the narrative that all Muslims are violent. Then US bombings props up the narrative that America is the great Satan. It's a vicious cycle.
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Deteriorata posted:Communities Nationwide Create Local Monuments With Sept. 11 Artifacts The worship of Graven Idols is as old as civilized Humanity.
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RuanGacho posted:I don't think Bin Laden ever predicted how he and his band would literally break some people's brains. Theyre building one of these in my home town. People get really ghoulishly "into" mass casualty events, and with September 11th it's even worse because in America we can all pretend it "affected" us even if all we did was watch it on TV and enable Bush. There's a Titanic museum in Tennessee that scratches the same itch. There was a big shooting at my college right before I graduated, and the ensuing weeks-long media vigil of unaffected people trying to steal a piece of our grief was maddening.
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I just hope we're all dead before it becomes acceptable for businesses to do Patriot Day promotions.
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Here's the best article ever written about the human dimension of 9/11. You should read it. The Real Heroes are Dead.
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The Slack Lagoon posted:What does get taught in school about 9/11? I was in a 7th grade class not 15 minutes ago moving some laptops and it was the teacher telling their story, asking the kids what they knew, then watching a video of phone calls from 9/11. The kids actually seemed pretty well informed.
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Watching it on TV obsessively hosed people up more than actually seeing it in person.
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haveblue posted:I just hope we're all dead before it becomes acceptable for businesses to do Patriot Day promotions. Towering SUV prices are collapsing, this weekend only! You'll never forget these savings, it's a real fire sale!
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PerniciousKnid posted:Towering SUV prices are collapsing, this weekend only! You'll never forget these savings, it's a real fire sale!  Onion
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New Yorkers are simultaneously ruining the country and also the real heroes for getting 9/11ed.
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JonathonSpectre posted:Here's the best article ever written about the human dimension of 9/11. You should read it. Thanks. I needed to cry like a grade school child today. 
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coyo7e posted:In large part that "bad apple" isn't even a cop, his name is Dave Grossman. He travels around the country doing "safety" workshops for police officers which basically are a pep rally for how when you kill somebody as a cop, you're going to go home and have the best sex of your life. I find this really surprising that Grossman went in this direction, but you're right. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/dave-grossman-training-police-militarization/ I admittedly read "On Killing" more than 20 years ago, but I thought his view was that our military has been intentionally breaking the brains of US soldiers after studies in World War II showed that most soldiers were too grounded in morality and compassion to kill without intentionally conditioning them to view their enemy as a dehumanized other. The result has been producing soldiers who are great at killing and pretty much terrible at the non-combat tasks that the US government has been asking soldiers to fulfill (like, police roles and civilian support). It's really sad that Grossman's conclusion is to turn the world into an even worse killing zone. That book actually is popular among domestic violence counselors I worked with during my interships because it describes very well the kind of mentality abusers cultivate to justify their treatment of others.
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Caros posted:Thanks. I needed to cry like a grade school child today. I can't get over how well-written and engrossing it is. You know what's going to happen, you know it, and still when it does it's like a thunderbolt of grief and horror. I find myself sometimes doing what other posters in this thread have done today, raging at our stupidity and fear and hubris in how we reacted to 9/11. But today's not about remembering that. Today's about remembering Rick Rescorla and all the others we don't know about whose stories are just like his, ended too soon by the actions of murderous fanatics. If you love someone, today's the day to let them know it. The enduring lesson of 9/11 for all of us should be that tomorrow's never guaranteed.
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Just a reminder that Senator Kid Rock and Senator Mitt Romney will be negotiating with President Donald Trump in 2019. https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/907233581763907590
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The best piece of critical media about 9/11 is that political cartoon that's a collection of newspaper strip parodies except the punchline to all of them is "terrorists destroyed the world trade center, killing thousands".
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Just a reminder that Senator Kid Rock and Senator Mitt Romney will be negotiating with President Donald Trump in 2019. I still won't vote for him (I throw my Utah vote away every year by pressing the "straight D" button), but I'm curious which version of Mitt would come out in a state election. He'd still vote the party line, regardless.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Just a reminder that Senator Kid Rock and Senator Mitt Romney will be negotiating with President Donald Trump in 2019. Reminder, the Kid Rock poll was fake and from a fake polling firm: quote:After Delphi Analytica released its Michigan survey (it has released eight polls in all), I received a direct message on Twitter from Michael McDonald, a source I had spoken to before. McDonald follows political betting markets and had previously contacted me about another survey firm, CSP Polling, that he believed was a shell organization started by some people who use PredictIt, a betting market for political propositions. McDonald said that CSP stood for “Cuck Shed Polling.” Like Delphi Analytica, CSP Polling doesn’t list anyone who works there on its website.
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Avirosb posted:Then US bombings props up the narrative that America is the great Satan. And blood vendettas are a barbaric remnant of the brutal Arabic culture. No siree, the war in Afghanistan and Iraq was totally different, you guys.
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haveblue posted:The best piece of critical media about 9/11 is that political cartoon that's a collection of newspaper strip parodies except the punchline to all of them is "terrorists destroyed the world trade center, killing thousands". 
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Not sure if it's been posted yet, but my own congressman, David Trott, is retiring: https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/907267079119802369 You won't be missed, Dave.
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https://twitter.com/shane_bauer/status/907067073062330368quote:
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JonathonSpectre posted:I can't get over how well-written and engrossing it is. You know what's going to happen, you know it, and still when it does it's like a thunderbolt of grief and horror. I think it has to be both, though. The US was fundamentally damaged, perhaps even nearly broken by 9/11. The poo poo people did in response, patriot acts, wars, torture. Some of it is understandable when you look back at the time. But we are sixteen years out, and things haven't gotten better. If it happens again, if some crazy fucker working out of a cave kills a few thousand Americans with a well placed bomb, or a series of attacks, what is going to happen? Boston shut down for two days because of two assholes with crockpot bombs, and the US simply isn't even back to pre-9/11 levels of social liberties. It sucks to have to discuss it on 9/11,but there are few days where the discussion is actually poignant enough to get through to people. The US lost more treasure and lies in the knee-jerk reaction than we did in the attack, and there really does need to be a discussion on how to prevent our base urges, before the next attack brings reichstag fire levels of hosed up to the US and the rest of the world.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Not sure if it's been posted yet, but my own congressman, David Trott, is retiring: Any viable Dem candidates? From what I've read the district was created to be safe for Republicans but even still people are calling it to be a toss up.
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