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Slickdrac posted:Are they just super rare to find? I've got 170 stations found already. What even makes Claytronics, that seems even higher value for buying and selling. Claytronics, amazingly, are made in a claytronics factory though they are fairly rare due to being a high end tech good. Illegal wares as far as I can tell are only made in out of the way uncontrolled sectors, and only seem to be bought at trading docks. The game doesn't seem to do the "secondary wares" thing from X3 which is unfortunate and means that the market doesn't really work for things that aren't direct production requirements for other things. I'm also not sure where the endpoint of the economy is, where things go once they're made, ultimately.
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OwlFancier posted:Claytronics, amazingly, are made in a claytronics factory though they are fairly rare due to being a high end tech good.
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OwlFancier posted:Claytronics, amazingly, are made in a claytronics factory though they are fairly rare due to being a high end tech good. Aren't ships made out of resources now?
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Cardiovorax posted:The economy is supposed to be a determining factor in AI behaviour, including the AI sector conquest events that I haven't personally seen yet, so I assume they just... disappear into a hole at some point, reflecting the AI's resource needs vis-a-vis their sector count? Secondary wares would've probably a bit too complex to model like that. Hmm. I haven't actually had anything like that happen. I was honestly figuring that war mechanic wasn't properly implemented given how much else seems to have been cut for time. You could model secondary wares fairly easily I think by just having them accelerate production if provided, or increase the production efficiency stat which is already in game. I'd argue it's kind of necessary for more "luxury" resources. Pylons posted:Aren't ships made out of resources now? Supposedly? I don't think I've seen one be built though. Other than when I build one. I have a distinct feeling that the game spawns in a lot of ships to be quite honest, I often find clusters of them appearing in the outer reaches of sectors when they really don't have a reason to be there. Gas miners miles away from any gas fields etc. It may be that part of the economy is simulated properly but I don't think all of it is. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Dec 2, 2018 |
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Dec 2, 2018 03:13
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OwlFancier posted:Hmm. I haven't actually had anything like that happen. I was honestly figuring that war mechanic wasn't properly implemented given how much else seems to have been cut for time.
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Dec 2, 2018 03:21
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I could never get into x3 because i couldn't figure out the ui or learn how to play does X4 have some good guides?
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Turtlicious posted:I could never get into x3 because i couldn't figure out the ui or learn how to play does X4 have some good guides? nah but if you give it a week or two there will be tons from youtubers
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Cardiovorax posted:Neither have I, but it makes sense that even if they did cut it, the game still behaves as if that's how the economy should work. You can intercept freighters and such in real-time, it's not too abstracted, so I think secondary wares may be gone simply to make that easier on the simulation. A two-step process, possibly with multiple primary wares as ingredients for one secondary step, results in some seriously complex commodity trees. Well the idea is that secondary wares were never necessary for production, stations just bought them and used them up where it would be thematically appropriate, basically. X3 IIRC used to buy space fuel at like, mines and poo poo, just so there was a sink for non-essential goods. It just followed the same economy as the normal stuff, it's just the station doesn't actually need them to produce things. The player stations actually didn't use them at all cos there was no efficiency mechanic in X3, whereas with this game having one, it seems like a good opportunity to implement them.
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 Well, I couldn't tell you what it's about for a fact. That's just my guess at what I figured they may have wanted to get rid of them for. I never learned even the X3 economy that deeply, I was playing it very much in a "this ship is cool, imma steal it. gently caress, now everyone hates me. oh well, more ships to steal" kind of way.
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Slickdrac posted:So is there no way to just quickly find stations that sell particular items from Encyclopedia or anything? Looking for some space__ items and only the pirate base is appearing as an option in the map when I turn wares on. Same deal with looking for specific ships, you have to just go to the shipyards until you find one that sells the one you're looking for? OwlFancier posted:Yes you need to explore the universe to find places that sell things, it's kind of a key part of the exploration. For example. I can buy satellites, dump them within 10km of the place you bought them (cheap ones have a 30km range), then go the extra mile and dock with one of the many stations under surveillance of a satellite you bought from them. Still a nigh empty encyclopedia entry that only list their hull, range, and crafting materials. The encyclopedia is thus far only a check list of "Well, you saw this existed somewhere once." But the "Docked with a place you are spying on with a satellite" example really drives it home. Do you need better than Trade Computer extension Mk1? Or some other veteran taken for granted detail? For actual "Look up specifics". The map has pop ups for basic supply/demand tooltips, but that's only for wares on top of making you scour the map personally. Section Z fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Dec 2, 2018 |
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Cardiovorax posted:Not natively, I think. The devs responded "we will see," so they may come in as DLC at some point? Hive escort has been flying around, so no, they’re actually in now. And one confirmed Boron. Edit: ^^^ shift to scan mode and get tight onto a factory. It’ll expose the function of the station, then satellites will update locally. Hav fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Dec 2, 2018 |
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Had a mission. Where a guy wanted me to get him 5 cores. I went to the bar and bought 5 as that was highlighted and figured I needed to buy them and take them elsewhere. Turns out that's the guy that wanted them so I sold those back to him and completed the mission and got my reward. A+
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Section Z posted:What is the trick to make this true? RE; "How do I QUICKLY find stations that sell Y Item?" "Find them first" Open the filters on the map (top right button), select the ware you want from the filter list, then zoom out until you find a list that shows either buying or selling it (whichever you're after), then zoom in on that group of stations until you find specific station.
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How do I mine? I found asteroids that have ore, I shoot the orange spots, smaller asteroids pop off. I don't get any minerals though?
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Are you shooting them with a mining beam? Regular weapons don't work for that.
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Cardiovorax posted:Are you shooting them with a mining beam? Regular weapons don't work for that. Oh ok
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Silly question, do the smaller ships feel faster now? I was always frustrated by how slow some M4s and most M3s felt. Actually do they still even use the same classification system (M1-M7, TS/TM, etc etc)? Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Dec 2, 2018 |
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Anyone figure out what service crew do?
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Silly question, do the smaller ships feel faster now? I was always frustrated by how slow some M4s and most M3s felt.
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nessin posted:Open the filters on the map (top right button), select the ware you want from the filter list, then zoom out until you find a list that shows either buying or selling it (whichever you're after), then zoom in on that group of stations until you find specific station. That's not the question though. The question from me and Slickdrac was how to fill out the Encyclopedia with locations items have been seen to be sold. That and as mentioned, the map tooltips are for wares only. That still leaves everything else. Hav posted:Edit: ^^^ shift to scan mode and get tight onto a factory. It’ll expose the function of the station, then satellites will update locally. Satellites track the realtime data of wares supply and demand even for stations I've never set foot on. But not "Hey, did you know this place you just bought Item sells ITEM?" unless I personally rub my ship along the station in scan mode  How does it track if equipment for sale isn't in a state of "We're too low on X to make this without it taking a while" warnings, if only my personal ship snooping counts? Even with that, I've just spend a while rubbing my ship in scan mode around a large Teladi  Just the usual "This sure is an item that exists".At least I found a signal that offered some smuggling missions offering "illicit trade deals" as the reward. Apparently black market access is easier for me to obtain than a citation of legal inventory 
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okay so I'm stuck on a mission I found this little alien dude on a distress signal while scanning a station, it's the first hour of the game, anyway he tells me hes captured somewhere and leads me to go buy 3 anti-matter something or other and we goto some rift, first I blow up with my ship, game over, okay this time I evad away and than I get a badass alien base all to my self except I spent like 45 minutes flying in my stupid chair to the point when I finally get control, and than I'm tasked to build a dock but no ship to dock anywhere or go anywhere and I'm just a floating asshoe and than I guess I ran out of air I really really want to like this game, but goddamn it does it make it difficult
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Morphix posted:okay so I'm stuck on a mission
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Inverness posted:Did you miss the part where he gave you money and told you to buy a new ship for the experiment specifically because it would be destroyed? okay, ya I figured that bit was important. well I bought a cheap ship by flying to the nearest warf and noticed I'm supposed to hire someone I guess to pilot it, are they supposed to blow up? or do I just pilot this newer ship there? and if so, how do I transfer these 3 anti-matter things? sorry I wouldn't be asking but honestly the ui is so confusing. I don't think I have enough to buy 3 more...maybe it's time for a 3rd restart lol
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WebDO posted:X4: there are lots of khaak X4: Kha’ak all over my viewscreen.
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Yea he gives you 200k and then explicitly tells you to buy a second ship because what he's planning will destroy it.
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Morphix posted:okay, ya I figured that bit was important. well I bought a cheap ship by flying to the nearest warf and noticed I'm supposed to hire someone I guess to pilot it, are they supposed to blow up? When you're buying the antimatter select the disposable ship, if it's got a captain it will automatically fly to the station and pick up the cargo. The hard part is getting the idiot to sit next to you so you can bail out into it. The area is full of pirates and xenon and the default AI will constantly run off to fight them unless you tell it not to fight anything. I piloted the disposable ship myself and had the other ship on a "hold position next to me and do nothing" order.
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Astroniomix posted:Yea he gives you 200k and then explicitly tells you to buy a second ship because what he's planning will destroy it. That can mess up though. I have a small ship without a pilot that's stuck in the middle of the PHQ and still has three antimatter cells in its cargo.
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i returned this the other day after playing for two minutes short of the two hour max but now I'm considering giving it another shot
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sandoz posted:i returned this the other day after playing for two minutes short of the two hour max legit give it, like, a month at least. Egosoft games start out very rough and, while this one's the 'least' rough on release so far, it could still use some time.
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This game would have greatly benefited from an early access period but I guess Egosoft is too traditional for that?
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when i get a pilot flying a second ship and I do follow, defend why does it follow so far behind me? I tried setting a formation, but dude ends up a minute or two behind me no matter what
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Apparently Digital Seminars are currently just a vendor item: https://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=146&t=402692&p=4758388&hilit=digital+seminar#p4758388 So I have no clue how to level up crew. There was a mod for Rebirth where they would level based on what they were assigned to so maybe that will be the solution again.
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1. Where do I buy normal ships? I went to the big shipyard at Argon Prime and they only sell Large and Xtra Large ships. 2. How do you find signals? Do you just lurk around stations looking for them? 3. This may be a bug: I had a pirate? tell me to drop my cargo. I obviously refused, and he turned red and chased me around saying "Your loss! My Profit!" doing nothing. He showed his faction as -23. However, his faction in the faction screen was still 0. When I tried to shoot him, I got a message yelling at me to stop shooting. Then he shot a missile and killed me.
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Phi230 posted:1. Where do I buy normal ships? I went to the big shipyard at Argon Prime and they only sell Large and Xtra Large ships. Signals do indeed seem to just be hoping they spawn while you are in scan mode. Though missions to repair data leaks often count as a win for fixing just one leak out of two. So I've been getting paid for fixing one leak, then go scan the other I had a mission marker point to with no mission failure baggage.
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Phi230 posted:1. Where do I buy normal ships? I went to the big shipyard at Argon Prime and they only sell Large and Xtra Large ships. 1) Look for a Wharf. It's like a shipyard, but for small ships. I'm not sure how to sell my surplus ships though. 2) You'll hear static as you near a signal. If you turn on the scanning mode (shift + 2), it'll highlight them visually as well. The ones that look like a sparkler seem to be missions, while ones that are coming from a bit of broken station will give you some other benefit. 3) Sometimes pirates be that way and it won't tank your rep with their faction to shoot back.
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https://www.nexusmods.com/x4foundations/mods/9 
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loving gross
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Anticheese posted:I'm not sure how to sell my surplus ships though.
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