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Achmed Jones posted:I’ll admit fault for my ignorance but this is the first I’ve heard of apple doing that. not defending or saying they didn’t or w/e just saying I missed that in the news In order to sell iPhones in China, Apple was required to make two concessions: 1) provide a censored version of the app store (no VPN apps) and 2) provide encryption keys to icloud backups in China to a state owned company. It got no press coverage in the US because everyone here waxes poetic about how good Apple is for privacy. apseudonym posted:Let's not challenge companies to one up that move. Tech companies are desperate for growth numbers. IMO people aren't willfully ignorant: they just don't know about it. All businesses are the same -- slightly different incentives but all have a price that they will sell out for. evil_bunnY posted:lmao Facebook let whole neighborhoods organize on their platform for a bit of ethnic cleansing so maybe try again. Please tell me you recognize there is a HUGE difference between Apple willingly and knowingly handing over the keys to an oppressive regime vs. Facebook not being fast enough to police their own poo poo. At least Facebook is loving trying to fix poo poo, Apple just passed that poo poo over in China. Like people at Apple had to look at each other and say "Yes we will hand over iCloud encryption keys to a PRC owned organization" for this to happen. At least Facebook and Google said "no thank you" to operating in PRC over the exact same concern Apple seems to not give a poo poo about.
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spankmeister posted:Google was working on a Chinese version of their search engine (supporting all of the censorship requirements) until late last year when a bunch of engineers revolted and didn't want for work on it anymore. People at Apple could have also chosen to revolt over management's decision to enter China. But they didn't.
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spankmeister posted:None of these companies have any kind of morals or ethics. Yeah I agree. Not saying one is better than the other, but I do think Apple is worse than most people think and Facebook/Google are honestly a little better than most people think
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"Didn't willingly give sensitive personal communications to an oppressive regime" is a lovely moral bar, i know
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Cocoa Crispies posted:we already knew malware could be encoded in DNA or RNA because viruses exist and kill people cant wait to die from bitcoin mining
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Sereri posted:cant wait to die from bitcoin mining People being turned into bitcoin mining biocomputers makes more sense for the state people are in in The Matrix than "they are batteries".
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salted hash browns posted:In order to sell iPhones in China, Apple was required to make two concessions: 1) provide a censored version of the app store (no VPN apps) and 2) provide encryption keys to icloud backups in China to a state owned company. It got no press coverage in the US because everyone here waxes poetic about how good Apple is for privacy. i love how facebook has been trying to fix their “friendly fraud” system driving fiscal engagement of 5 year old “whales” (quotes for facebook official lingo on subject matter) in monetised free to play games calling out apple for china poo poo is a valid thing to do. saying that apple is bad or morally bankrupt , *unlike* google or facebook - that’s just outing yourself as naive or poorly informed fool
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salted hash browns posted:People at Apple could have also chosen to revolt over management's decision to enter China. didn’t or didn’t take it public 
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the article also explicitly says they retain control of the encryption keys . they release data based on Chinese law , for iCloud , which you can turn off. If you want to argue that this is just a sham and they are giving away customer data , I guess you can make that claim but the article given doesn’t support that in any way.
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it’s simply the cost of doing business in china and basically any company operating there does this, its much more interesting to ask how isolated the systems are and how much control the companies yielded if anything is morally bankrupt according to anyone’s standards its likely to be much more the chinese government than apple, or bmw, or anyone else operating there
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spankmeister posted:Google was working on a Chinese version of their search engine (supporting all of the censorship requirements) until late last year when a bunch of engineers revolted and didn't want for work on it anymore.
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Partycat posted:the article also explicitly says they retain control of the encryption keys . they release data based on Chinese law , for iCloud , which you can turn off. the claim is that they're selling out dissidents to a totalitarian regime that is rounding up minorities in interment camps and has a history of human rights abuses "we only do it when then the totalitarian regime asks us to" is not much of a fig leaf there
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salted hash browns posted:Yeah I agree. Not saying one is better than the other, but I do think Apple is worse than most people think and Facebook/Google are honestly a little better than most people think lol absofuckinglutely not
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there's a different thread for faking your own death lmao also bitcoins et al are dumb
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considering that i had met the quadriga cx people at some local event, none of this surprises me
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Truga posted:looks like afterlife's expensive tho  <-- this is my shocked face
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cinci zoo sniper posted:i love how facebook has been trying to fix their “friendly fraud” system driving fiscal engagement of 5 year old “whales” (quotes for facebook official lingo on subject matter) in monetised free to play games the point I’m trying to make is yes, monetizing children via micro transactions in lovely games is v bad, but not even comparable to what will happens to dissidents in PRC who use iMessage believing they are private and then being sent to re-education after getting snooped on. I said Apple giving encryption keys to an oppressive regime will cause more human harm. PRC does not gently caress around here and the outcomes will be way worse than creepy advertising practices.
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Partycat posted:the article also explicitly says they retain control of the encryption keys . they release data based on Chinese law , for iCloud , which you can turn off. lol if you think the PRC gives a poo poo about “Chinese law” I have a bridge to sell you
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anyone ever done some siem integrations into gapps? i'm looking to pull whatever data they have available on there and am looking around to see what others have done
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rjmccall posted:hmm, probably does not count as intent to obtain a benefit, to injure or defraud another or to facilitate an unlawful activity I have a co-worker with a cop spouse. The problem was that people were reporting it as a scam to the cops who then posted a public alert about this new scam. Then they investigated the emails, saw it was from the school and told them to knock that poo poo off since it made them waste time on dumb poo poo. There's better ways to do phishing training without getting trigger happy cops pissed off by taking away their donut eating time.
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the best phish training email I've seen was one that claimed to be from our security team containing a list of people who fell for the last phish training email
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haveblue posted:the best phish training email I've seen was one that claimed to be from our security team containing a list of people who fell for the last phish training email unbelievably savage
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Captain Foo posted:unbelievably savage
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when you clicked on it did it just display "YOU" in big letters?
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I didn't click it  and it was auto-deleted once I used the outlook report phishing buttonusually the documents just have boilerplate "this was phishing, you're a dumbass, now read these guides" text
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haveblue posted:the best phish training email I've seen was one that claimed to be from our security team containing a list of people who fell for the last phish training email Captain Foo posted:unbelievably savage
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haveblue posted:the best phish training email I've seen was one that claimed to be from our security team containing a list of people who fell for the last phish training email 
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haveblue posted:the best phish training email I've seen was one that claimed to be from our security team containing a list of people who fell for the last phish training email 
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Captain Foo posted:unbelievably savage
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haveblue posted:the best phish training email I've seen was one that claimed to be from our security team containing a list of people who fell for the last phish training email 
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we had a really disappointed email about new mandatory training that noted a full third of the office clicked on the last phishing email i asked one of our security guys and he said we did well last year and that it's normally more like two thirds
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we use some automated service that sends out phishing tests every couple of weeks. apparently nobody has clicked on one in months, so i guess beating people over the head with it is the way to go.
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Chalks posted:we use some automated service that sends out phishing tests every couple of weeks. apparently nobody has clicked on one in months, so i guess beating people over the head with it is the way to go. we're getting spear phished like crazy; popped up in the news recently and apparently that's bait for both recruiters and phishers. i've actually been really impressed by the attentiveness of everyone in the company, though, we have a really good (entertaining) security training and we've been target regularly over the past couple years so everyone's awareness levels are really high. haveblue posted:the best phish training email I've seen was one that claimed to be from our security team containing a list of people who fell for the last phish training email i'd fall for this hard
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salted hash browns posted:dissidents in PRC who use iMessage believing they are private if your plan for plotting against a totalitarian police state starts with "use a chat program that openly and deliberately prioritises convenience over security", then you have bigger problems than icloud backups like, iMessages by default falls back on unencrypted sms if the person you’re chatting with has a poor signal or a non-apple phone. that’s a harmless and well-intentioned feature that by itself makes the app completely unsuitable for dissidents.
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salted hash browns posted:the point I’m trying to make is yes, monetizing children via micro transactions in lovely games is v bad, but not even comparable to what will happens to dissidents in PRC who use iMessage believing they are private and then being sent to re-education after getting snooped on. can’t wait for facebook to resurrect dead rohingyas i guess, seeing that they are fixing things
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