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I'm watching Unsolved Mysteries on amazon, and it's such a mix of genuinely hard-to-solve crimes and lunatic bullshit that I have to wonder how insulted the people with murdered family felt to share episodes with dumb yokels looking for buried treasure and tourists feeling spooked by a ghost touching their hair in an old hotel.
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Recommending the Missing Maura Murray podcast, which has come up before in this thread. It is available on YouTube. That photo in episode 3 did completely open up the possibility of Maura as being a sociopath with reckless tendencies. I had always considered her a confused innocent who had a run of bad luck. Fascinating stuff...
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:Recommending the Missing Maura Murray podcast, which has come up before in this thread. It is available on YouTube. That photo in episode 3 did completely open up the possibility of Maura as being a sociopath with reckless tendencies. I had always considered her a confused innocent who had a run of bad luck. Fascinating stuff... Why are people so fixated on this case? I've never heard any speculation about it that wasn't completely stupid, except maybe the argument that she had a concussion and that's why she wandered off after crashing her car. In any case, she's almost certainly dead. When was the last time this century that somebody successfully started a new life under a stolen or invented identity? All the classics are from the 80s at the latest, because computers made it way too hard.
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Jack Gladney posted:Why are people so fixated on this case? Listen to the podcast.  TLDR: There is a fair amount of evidence that MM's close friend Kate and Fred Murray were preparing for something in the weekend before MM's disappearance. Listen to the podcast, especially episode 6. E: Hmmm... Ep. 9 is significantly less interesting. I think other posters commented the same. If the series doesn't get back on track I think i'll check out - that said, the first 8 episodes were engaging. Josef K. Sourdust has a new favorite as of 22:39 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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One story that's weird as hell and just waiting for a great long-form article is the story of Sherri Papini, a 35-year-old housewife who went out jogging one day and was, according to her testimony, kidnapped by two masked latina women in a van who held her captive in a basement for three weeks and tried to sell her to sex traffickers. She was later found wandering the area where she had last been seen, mostly naked and with her hands chained behind her back. She was taken to the hospital and released two hours later, then left town and is apparently living in a hotel in a nearby town with her husband, where she refuses to talk to anyone and speaks exclusively through her husband: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/03/30/sherri-papini-kidnapping-police-reports/ There's a bunch of weird details not covered in that narrative that really don't add up to anything but push the case into at least Special-Victims-Unit territory, if not Criminal-Intent territory. Her mother claims that Sherri used to hurt herself and then blame the mother when people would notice her injuries, and a message-board account from 2003 on skinheadz.com (which is improbably still up) with a few posts shows that she self-identified as a white supremacist. Also, when she was in high school she was friends with Tera Lynn Smith, who was herself abducted while jogging in 1998 and has never been found. Also, in the three weeks when she was missing, some weirdo made a website and youtube video saying that he was an expert negotiator and that he had been paid by an anonymous millionaire to negotiate directly with the kidnappers to get Sherri released: quote:“My name is Cameron Gamble and I’m an international kidnap and ransom consultant,” he said, sitting in a red desk chair against a white wall. “I’ve been retained by an individual who wishes to remain anonymous, an individual who has come forward to offer a cash reward for a ransom for Sherri Papini’s safe return to her family.” quote:The mysterious person, who set up a number on a burner phone, claimed to be from outside the Shasta County area. “Once I leave town this offer is off the table,” he wrote on the website. It turns out he was just an attention-seeking lunatic, but he has some fantastic homemade advertisements for his failed self-defense courses: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/05/the-shady-hostage-negotiator-at-the-center-of-sherri-papini-s-abduction.html The videos are hilarious, star a real-life Tobias Funke acting his heart out, and are from the rapist's point of view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2it5L1xdDGg I have no idea what any of this means, other than people just go nuts when a white girl vanishes. It seems like she's probably got an untreated mental problem that compelled her to fake her own kidnapping, but who knows?
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Jack Gladney posted:When was the last time this century that somebody successfully started a new life under a stolen or invented identity? If they were successful, we're not going to know.
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Jack Gladney posted:Why are people so fixated on this case? I've never heard any speculation about it that wasn't completely stupid, except maybe the argument that she had a concussion and that's why she wandered off after crashing her car. In any case, she's almost certainly dead. When was the last time this century that somebody successfully started a new life under a stolen or invented identity? All the classics are from the 80s at the latest, because computers made it way too hard. Gonna kinda be hard to find evidence of anyone successfully doing it since if they got caught and we found out about it they obviously failed. It happens though. edit: drat it beaten
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I mean when was the last time somebody pulled off the initial disappearance and started living as somebody else before being identified later? Obviously we can only ever know about people who eventually failed or were caught when it comes to faking a new identity at all, but all the best instances of that happening seem like they dry up in the 90s. Like there was that lady who killed herself after her husband dumped her and he found a bunch of poo poo in her house showing that she changed her identity in the 70s.
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All you'd really need to get the ball rolling would be a state ID. Thats usually enough to rent a place or get a lovely job. Depending on state that can be as easy as knowing someones SSN/old address and forging or getting utility bills or bank statements in their name with the address you're at in that state.
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Jack Gladney posted:I mean when was the last time somebody pulled off the initial disappearance and started living as somebody else before being identified later? Obviously we can only ever know about people who eventually failed or were caught when it comes to faking a new identity at all, but all the best instances of that happening seem like they dry up in the 90s. According to James Renner (ep. 6) if a person is not declared legally dead then only the FBI can access tax/SS records (not the state or county police). He says a woman left home, moved 100 miles, started a new job using her real name and SS no. and lived undiscovered for 15 years until she was found by a private detective when the local/state police had failed to find her. Renner says that one reason MM's family haven't had her declared dead is because it would make all sorts of info public (incl. her Westpoint dismissal details) and that her SS no. unusuable and tax returns public (?). Personally, I don't believe she's living in Vermont (or Florida) using her real name and SS no. Ep. 7 has the idea that MM was actually arranging to dispose/hide her car because she was possibly involved in a serious hit and run on Friday (?). The day she went on the run the accident was covered in the student newspaper. Fred came to Amherst suddenly on Saturday with $4000 "to buy her a new car". No car is bought. Fred never explains what happens to the $4000 cash subsequently. Kate, Fred and Maura have dinner on Saturday. On Saturday night Kate, Maura and another friend have a meeting (farewell party?). Maura gets drunk and crashes her father's car on her way to see him in a local hotel at 3.30 a.m. She doesn't get breathalysed or get a DUI despite presence of police. Kate and Maura disappear separately on the SUnday/Monday. Maura buys lots of alcohol on the Monday - possibly going to meet Kate in Vermont (?), hide/destroy her car, kick back with some booze, then disappear/commit suicide. Maura cleared out her account so she was probably planning to go on the run afterwards. Perhaps Kate was going to drive Maura somewhere away from the Maura's car. Perhaps the idea was to stage an apparent suicide and make do with the initial $4,500 and start a new life. The Monday crash was a genuine accident because she was drinking and didn't get as far as Vermont as planned. (Two confirmed drunk crashes, one possible hit and run, in space of 3 days.) On Monday after the crash, Maura was spooked that she would get a DUI and have the car connected to the hit and run, she tried to get away from her car. Outcome: a) successful disappearance, b) accidental death, c) foul play, d) suicide. Sounds fairly plausible. Kate turns up on Tuesday (?), answers a few questions for the police and then clams up. Probably Maura never made it to their rendezvous. It's quite possible Maura was debating disappearance or suicide after disposing her car and that the matter hung in the balance. Who knows how it panned out?  My idea is that Fred was expecting Maura to ditch the car and probably go on the run but not in the way it happened. He is torn because he doesn't know if she survived. Alternatively, he has heard from her in some way. Josef K. Sourdust has a new favorite as of 23:59 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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Rochallor posted:I'm hesitant to search for it now because I'm at work, but maybe thisisnotporn? I remember screwing around a lot with that as a kid, it taught me a lot about looking into the html of the page and stuff. i googled thisisnotporn and found thisisnotapuzzle.com which is fuckin weird
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The Greyman, Albert Fish, possibly the most disturbing serial killer the US has ever produced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fish http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/1928-murder-grace-budd-albert-fish-gallery-1.1277430?pmSlide=1.1277405 https://1peacekeeper1.blogspot.com/2011/07/two-confession-letter-of-albert-fish.html This fucker was the Boogeyman, but real. loving terrifying in every way.
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And a real jerk. edit: May as well add content. Here's an x-ray of Fish's pelvis.  Those are a bunch of needles he stuck into his taint. Solice Kirsk has a new favorite as of 23:44 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:And a real jerk. Hahah didn't notice the post before this one at first and thought that was an x-ray of the the lead singer from Marillion
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Tardcore posted:Hahah didn't notice the post before this one at first and thought that was an x-ray of the the lead singer from Marillion Wow, there's a band I haven't thought about in decades. They were basically the real life SpinalTap.
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Jack Gladney posted:One story that's weird as hell and just waiting for a great long-form article is the story of Sherri Papini, a 35-year-old housewife who went out jogging one day and was, according to her testimony, kidnapped by two masked latina women in a van who held her captive in a basement for three weeks and tried to sell her to sex traffickers. She was later found wandering the area where she had last been seen, mostly naked and with her hands chained behind her back. She was taken to the hospital and released two hours later, then left town and is apparently living in a hotel in a nearby town with her husband, where she refuses to talk to anyone and speaks exclusively through her husband: This story has fascinated me ever since it first started happening. I love about an hour and a half away so this was pretty big local news. It's pretty telling that almost know one believes her story. Her husband described her "abducters" as buzzing off her trademark blonde hair, but when she was found she was described as having shoulder length blonde hair. She claims she was beaten with metal pipes, chained up and abused nonstop for the entire time she was held captive, but she was released from the hospital the same day she showed back up. The negotiator who was internationally renowned known had never once been paid by anyone anywhere for security work. Almost nothing adds up. I. Eat it was either a stunt to generate sympathy and get some sweet Gofundme cash, or she was having an affair and planned to runaway and got cold feet . We'll never know unless someone cracks and confesses but that doesn't seem likely.
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:Listen to the podcast. The account of how she was behaving immediately made me think of a person I used to know who is bipolar, and it really sounds like she got stuck in a downward spiral of self-destructive behavior, was self-medicating with alcohol, hiding the extent of her mental issues, and when she left school, she was going to drive to the area of New Hampshire where she had vacationed before, and thus had happy memories, to commit suicide by disappearing into the wilderness. Things got fouled up when she crashed her car on the way there, which she knew would bring the police, and she'd be taken in for DUI at a minimum and likely psychiatric issues as well, which would lead to questions of why she was where she was and what she was doing, and at no point from then on could she ever plausibly hide a suicide with disappearance because her mental issues would be known, so she put some distance between herself and her car (and thus the cops), and then headed off into the wilderness to die. Looking forward to seeing just how right or wrong I am once I learn more.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:This story has fascinated me ever since it first started happening. I love about an hour and a half away so this was pretty big local news. It's pretty telling that almost know one believes her story. Her husband described her "abducters" as buzzing off her trademark blonde hair, but when she was found she was described as having shoulder length blonde hair. She claims she was beaten with metal pipes, chained up and abused nonstop for the entire time she was held captive, but she was released from the hospital the same day she showed back up. The negotiator who was internationally renowned known had never once been paid by anyone anywhere for security work. Make sure you watch that contractor's promotional video that I embedded above, if you haven't seen it. It's amazing, although I guess his only connection to any of this is that he's either opportunistically exploiting it or has a fetish for kidnapped blonde women.
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Azathoth posted:Thanks for the recommendation! I'm looking forward to listening to the podcast, and I'm curious if it'll make me reconsider my conclusion from reading about the case before, which is that she was planning to commit suicide and cover it up by faking a disappearance to spare her family the knowledge that she was suicidal, it's just that things went haywire when she put her plan in motion. Ep. 11 is a criminologist profiling Maura....Not sure if BP was a factor but apparently she bulimic and had self-esteem issues (a more successful sister who graduated Westpoint - a college Maura was kicked out of). Suicide, accident, appearance, murder all seem as plausible - which is why this is so fascinating. Fred probably gave her $4,000 to help her disappear but how much he knew about her last hours I don't know....
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:
Okay, totally psyched to mainline it now. Also, I should have said bipolar or some other kind of mental problem. She was at the age where the really serious ones start manifesting, and it's crazy (and sad) how much people can keep that kind of thing hidden until one big, crazy day brings it all out into the open.
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whiteyfats posted:The Greyman, Albert Fish, possibly the most disturbing serial killer the US has ever produced. I think he escaped and got a job in a 70's british sitcom
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Nah, if he was British, he'd have ate like 40 kids and nobody would do anything until he was dead.
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maura murray is the least mysterious disappearance ever and i legit don't get why people obsess about it. she had just caused a major single-car accident, and was probably drinking and driving when she caused a second single-car accident just two days later. panicked and probably injured, she ran into the forest in winter, and died.Josef K. Sourdust posted:
why not have an astrologer read her tarot spread? that has about as much scientific validity. quote:Not sure if BP was a factor but apparently she bulimic and had self-esteem issues (a more successful sister who graduated Westpoint - a college Maura was kicked out of). Suicide, accident, appearance, murder all seem as plausible - which is why this is so fascinating. how you can read and post all of that and then say that murder is just as plausible is beyond me. her behavior veers between erratic and irresponsible right up until the exact moment she disappeared. the answer's pretty prosaic mental illness. chernobyl kinsman has a new favorite as of 01:42 on Apr 7, 2017 |
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chernobyl kinsman posted:maura murray is the least mysterious disappearance ever and i legit don't get why people obsess about it. she had just caused a major single-car accident, and was probably drinking and driving when she caused a second single-car accident just two days later. panicked and probably injured, she ran into the forest in winter, and died. chernobyl kinsman posted:how you can read and post all of that and then say that murder is just as plausible is beyond me. Plausible doesn't mean equally plausible. I think she probably died in the woods.I think it is unlikely she was murdered. Her father says she was murdered. E: Any young woman alone on a road who goes missing without trace is potentially a murder victim. Very low probability. People discuss it because a) there are a number of plausible (though not equally plausible) theories, b) it is unsolved, c) there is lots of info available and d) mental illness/crisis is interesting in itself. Meh. Whatever.
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I had to stop listening to MM because I couldn't shake how uncomfortable it was to know that they had chosen to give James Renner any sort of platform. I get that they have to get every angle they can but the dude just rubs me the wrong way. Especially when he's harassing her family and diagnosing her with personality disorders (oooh look how spooky she looks in this lovely, gradient picture)while clearly not knowing anything about the subject. It's also just exhausting how much it runs in circles because the amount of new information is so scarce. Breakdown is a pretty good podcast that is on it's 3rd season. Very in depth and well researched as the dude making it is an actual journalist. The first two seasons are about two different men who might be innocent of the crimes they have been jailed for. No matter what it can be discussed whether they received a fair trial. This season is about a piece of poo poo doctor who used his authority to continuously sexually harass and abuse women.
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This music video was based on a true life crime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLIi_ZMBfQs http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/mahon-patrick.htm
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As to people running away and starting a new life, this case was a big deal locally. As to Sherri Papini, the sheriff of her county issued a statement last week saying that residents of the county had no reason to fear kidnapping. Which seems to suggest they're no longer buying her story.
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Jack Gladney posted:I mean when was the last time somebody pulled off the initial disappearance and started living as somebody else before being identified later? http://www.corsicanadailysun.com/archives/sharron-details-years-running-from-the-law/article_2ec878df-c524-58ad-9e93-16299b3b0fd4.html This guy walked away from a prison work detail in 1977, only to resurface in Texas almost 30 years later. He's currently incarcerated in Huntsville.
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doodlebugs posted:This music video was based on a true life crime If you want to read about interesting murders in the UK during the first half of the 20th century, Googling "Bernard Spilsbury" is a good place to start. He worked on the Crippen case, the "Brides in the Bath" murders, and was also a key part of Operation Mincemeat during World War 2.
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The Sherry Papini thing makes me wonder if she was out naked and handcuffed for some reason she's embarrassed about (say, kink scene gone wrong?) and the kidnapping story is all a coverup. Sheer speculation of course.
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By ep. 16 MMM is getting seriously tedious. They get trolled and get weird tweets and they discuss it on the air. Dumb troll-feeding. Huge derails and internet drama. gently caress me! Does it pick up or is the actual info get swamped in all this internet drama from now on? E: ep. 17 is better. (start at 17 min mark or so). Looking at the list of things in her car, it seems she took much of her cosmetics, shampoos and college work - not exactly suicide stuff. Also undermines the idea that she was running away from college. Taking college work but running away to start a new life...? The Pappini stuff is interesting. Sounds like it was planned ahead because of the iPhone was planted at the junction on her jogging route. Josef K. Sourdust has a new favorite as of 17:14 on Apr 7, 2017 |
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:By ep. 16 MMM is getting seriously tedious. They get trolled and get weird tweets and they discuss it on the air. Dumb troll-feeding. Huge derails and internet drama. gently caress me! Does it pick up or is the actual info get swamped in all this internet drama from now on? Jesus, 17 loving episodes about a woman that walked into the woods? Dan Carlin's exhaustive WW1 podcast wasn't that long (maybe I don't know).
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Solice Kirsk posted:And a real jerk. Somebody should have told this dude about those little plush tomatoes you can buy at Michael's or your local walmart's fabric section
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LIstening to Generation Why podcast. They seem like decent guys but not very well informed. I don't disagree with their conclusions but they don't investigate in great depth. I agree with whoever said their best podcast was on the Zodiac Killer when they interviewed an expert and barely said anything. That's the best one I've heard so far. Conclusion: reasonable listening but not especially informative, particularly if you've already done reading on the subject. Is that fair?
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:LIstening to Generation Why podcast. They seem like decent guys but not very well informed. I don't disagree with their conclusions but they don't investigate in great depth. I agree with whoever said their best podcast was on the Zodiac Killer when they interviewed an expert and barely said anything. That's the best one I've heard so far. Totally fair. I think my favorite one is on the McElroy shooting because it's just an author talking about how a town got together and gunned down a rapist who had been tormenting them for years Irritatingly people like to hold that case up as a great Unsolved murder because nobody was ever charged, but really everyone knew who did it they just refused to give up the names
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whiteyfats posted:Nah, if he was British, he'd have ate like 40 kids and nobody would do anything until he was dead. http://www.ibtimes.com/wilfrid-brambell-albert-steptoe-child-sex-abuser-850585 "The child-sex scandal that has permanently sullied the name of deceased British TV host and disc jockey Jimmy Saville has now spread to an even bigger BBC entertainment icon, actor Wilfrid Brambell. "According to reports in British media, the police investigation looking into allegations of child sex abuse against Saville – which Scotland Yard described as “unprecedented” in their scale and duration – has led to accusations by two adult men that Brambell sexually abused them when they were children in the early 1970s in a theater on the isle of Jersey."
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Mister Mind posted:http://www.ibtimes.com/wilfrid-brambell-albert-steptoe-child-sex-abuser-850585 If the BBC pulls repeats of Steptoe and Son I shall write a stiff letter of complaint to the director general.
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I ran across The Unredacted this morning while reading about William Herbert Wallace, and it seems like a good fit for this thread. It's mostly longform-ish articles on mysteries, historical oddities, conspiracy theories, etc. (they have sections for "Aliens" and "Paranormal" that I haven't looked into); from what I've read, they try to examine from all angles, and use official photos when possible to support the text. It may be a relatively young site; I can't find an About page, but their "Top 100" page only has 55 entries. Still, it's fun to read through.
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I started listening to the Crawlspace podcast about Brianna Maitland and holy heck it is a lot darker and depressing than the Maura Murray podcast. I don't think I can continue with it, even though it is respectful and evidence based and with useful interviews (including Brianna's dad).  E: Yeah, having heard more about the Bri case I'm definitely out of that. The podcast is good but what happened to her is just too horrible and sad. Superficially it sounded like something comparable to MM but actually it is clearly a drug-related abduction and murder. Even the private investigator who heard the details was shocked. Poor Bri. 
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