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JackBadass posted:What's wrong with pop culture references? Aside from them being low hanging fruit, I mean. ~*IMMERSION*~ I assume? Or maybe they would prefer it to be a timeless experience that doesn't reference current trends or memes, I don't know. 
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JackBadass posted:The gently caress are you going on about? He was talking about Other M specifically. I.E. the "thing" that killed the Metroid series.
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Sep 6, 2015 10:13
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JackBadass posted:What's wrong with pop culture references? Aside from them being low hanging fruit, I mean. They date the game and are usually just references rather than a parody, like a character spouting a line. But they can be done well if it's subtle, clever, or at the very least the game doesn't spend a lot of time pointing out and yelling at the reference just in case somebody was too busy huffing paint to notice it.
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Sep 6, 2015 10:19
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, Fallout 1 never had super-blatant pop culture references. It had them too, but I never felt it had a ton of text and characters going along with it when I played it. Moreso just random, weird encounters, like what you posted there. Fallout 2 had more content, but that also meant the pop culture references went up to eleven and started being part of the quests. With Fallout it was a quick and random 'either you got it or you didn't'. With Fallout 2 it was "Oh hey! HEY HEY! This guy's Tyson and he keeps biting ears off! Funny right guise?!" It's not that I mind the reference itself, but how it's presented. It's the difference between a joke told with brevity, and some wit, and a joke told by a tryhard. CrazyLoon fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Sep 6, 2015 |
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Sep 6, 2015 11:08
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JackBadass posted:What's wrong with pop culture references? Aside from them being low hanging fruit, I mean. There are some people that take their 1950's themed apocalyptic future simulator about immortal zombies and giant radioactive scorpions really, really seriously.
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Sep 6, 2015 14:40
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Theta Zero posted:They date the game and are usually just references rather than a parody, like a character spouting a line. Most the Wild Wasteland pop culture references in New Vegas were so low key that I would get the noise signalling one was nearby and couldn't tell you what I was supposed to notice. Others I didn't even know were references until I looked them up. "Ooo-OOo-oooo--here are some eyebots from Venture Brothers! Just lying on the ground doing nothing! Do you like that reference?"
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Sep 6, 2015 15:00
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The best reference was Johnny 5 Aces. Nothing to let you know what it was unless you already knew what it was.
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Sep 6, 2015 15:30
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Lotish posted:Most the Wild Wasteland pop culture references in New Vegas were so low key that I would get the noise signalling one was nearby and couldn't tell you what I was supposed to notice. Others I didn't even know were references until I looked them up. "Ooo-OOo-oooo--here are some eyebots from Venture Brothers! Just lying on the ground doing nothing! Do you like that reference?" Right. Which is why I find New Vegas finally handled them just right, especially by introducing the Wild Wasteland trait - terrific idea. Fallout 2, though, just brained you over the head with them and it came across as distinctly tryhard.
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Sep 6, 2015 15:34
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Lotish posted:Most the Wild Wasteland pop culture references in New Vegas were so low key that I would get the noise signalling one was nearby and couldn't tell you what I was supposed to notice. Others I didn't even know were references until I looked them up. "Ooo-OOo-oooo--here are some eyebots from Venture Brothers! Just lying on the ground doing nothing! Do you like that reference?" Wild Wasteland was the worst waste of a trait. Shockingly underwhelming.
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Sep 6, 2015 15:58
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They may have easily ran out of time to make all the content for it, true. Still a good idea, tho.
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Sep 6, 2015 16:03
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CrazyLoon posted:Right. Which is why I find New Vegas finally handled them just right, especially by introducing the Wild Wasteland trait - terrific idea. Fallout 2, though, just brained you over the head with them and it came across as distinctly tryhard. You could include most of those without the annoying doctor who sound effect and most people wouldn't notice them.
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Sep 6, 2015 16:24
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I hated how New Vegas handled the references. Yeah sure they were subtle, but they were also boring and so insignificant that i only ever got the johnny five aces one before looking them up. Theres nothing wrong with a few blatant pop culture references. And theres nothing wrong with Fallout being silly at times. Moira Brown comes to mind from Fallout 3. While not a pop culture thing her whole schtick is extremely goofy, and fun. I may be biased cause my first fallout game was Brotherhood of Steel on Xbox, so my first exposure was the people chanting "his name was robert paulsen" near the opening of the game. But for chrissakes fallout 3 was a game where you can drink out of an irradiated toilet. Have some fun in the wasteland.
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I never played the XBOX game, so the Brotherhood of Steel game I know of is the tactical RPG. That had several pop culture references, including a gang whose leaders were all named after Dukes of Hazzard characters.
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Sep 6, 2015 17:07
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steinrokkan posted:Wild Wasteland was the worst waste of a trait. Shockingly underwhelming. Except in Old World Blues.
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Sep 6, 2015 18:00
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:He was talking about Other M specifically. Other M was the Ninja Gaiden guy, not Kojima. Edit: Wait, I think I get it know. My bad. Also, the Prime games should be the ones that people blame for the death of the Metroid series. I'm hard pressed to think of a game with shittier controls than any of the Wii Primes. LastGoodBoy fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Sep 6, 2015 |
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Sep 6, 2015 19:28
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The prime games sold well and were highly praised
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Sep 6, 2015 19:34
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RentACop posted:The prime games sold well and were highly praised Doesn't mean they didn't play like hot garbage, and how much of that praise was from people wearing rose-tinted glasses just because the box said "METROID" on it?
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Sep 6, 2015 19:40
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None of it
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Sep 6, 2015 19:42
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JackBadass posted:Also, the Prime games should be the ones that people blame for the death of the Metroid series. I want to frame this post and put it on my wall, with a caption that reads "A GIANT IDIOT"
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Sep 6, 2015 19:55
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Except in Old World Blues. I love that dog house with the mini alpha male Deathclaw named Stripe. Wild Wasteland was great. Rolling out of Goodsprings with a Indiana Jones hat that I got from a skeleton inside a fridge made me feel like I could take on the world. So much fun stuff in there. Can't help but love the sense of humor these games have.
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Sep 6, 2015 20:16
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Die Laughing posted:I love that dog house with the mini alpha male Deathclaw named Stripe. I really love the pop culture references in fallout 3 and NV where it's skeletons arranged in specific scenes and setups. Much more subtle, and super thematic. Having some character named after another character doing things like that character is eye roll inducing, but the former skeletal tableau is evocative without forcing anything on you. If no one understands that it's a reference to a terrible movie, then it just blends into the background. Skeleton in a fridge? Spooky! Oh hey a nice hat!
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Sep 6, 2015 20:23
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I want to frame this post and put it on my wall, with a caption that reads "A GIANT IDIOT" I've been telling you people.
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Sep 6, 2015 20:24
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Mordaedil posted:I've been telling you people. You are almost as bad as that poster. e: fallout shelter update - women-only vault still succeeding despite mole rat incursions. Lazy_Liberal fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Sep 6, 2015 |
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Sep 6, 2015 20:53
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I want to frame a mirror and put it on my wall, with a caption that reads "A GIANT IDIOT" Fixed that for you. You're welcome.
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Sep 6, 2015 21:41
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JackBadass posted:Also, the Prime games should be the ones that people blame for the death of the Metroid series. I'm hard pressed to think of a game with shittier controls than any of the Wii Primes. I think it might've been the Metroid game that tried to ape Metal Gear Solid.
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Sep 6, 2015 21:46
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computer parts posted:I think it might've been the Metroid game that tried to ape Metal Gear Solid. I've heard the comparison before. Never played Other M myself, but it was something along the lines of Other M being very story heavy, and that story being very stupid, right?
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Sep 6, 2015 21:49
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JackBadass posted:Also, the Prime games should be the ones that people blame for the death of the Metroid series. I'm hard pressed to think of a game with shittier controls than any of the Wii Primes. actually, the prime games on wii have some of the best fps controls in any video game. hth
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Sep 7, 2015 01:08
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LOCUST FART HELL posted:actually, the prime games on wii have some of the best fps controls in any video game. hth Good one.
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Sep 7, 2015 01:11
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JackBadass posted:I've heard the comparison before. Never played Other M myself, but it was something along the lines of Other M being very story heavy, and that story being very stupid, right? It turned Samus from a badass bounty hunter into a dipshit who cowers at the sight of Ridley (to the point of her suit malfunctioning) and needs to be told by a man that activating her Varia Suit in the lava zone is okay.
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ChibiSoma posted:It turned Samus from a badass bounty hunter into a dipshit who cowers at the sight of Ridley (to the point of her suit malfunctioning) and needs to be told by a man that activating her Varia Suit in the lava zone is okay. Don't forget it also cut about 2 feet off of her height, so instead of being a 6 foot tower of gently caress she's now a tiny, waifish doll. The ridley thing was even more completely loving inane considering the place of the game in the series, she had faced and killed him at least twice already. But no, yeah, Prime is totally what ruined the series 
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Sep 7, 2015 01:18
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LOCUST FART HELL posted:actually, the prime games on wii have some of the best fps controls in any video game. hth Except for each and every FPS that an be controlled with a mouse.
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Sep 7, 2015 01:21
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You guys sure care alot about a character in a side scrolling platformer with about as much pre-prime published history as Killian Darkwater
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Sep 7, 2015 01:23
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Samus is a rich character with a nuanced story of being able to move in a two dimensional space and and and...
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Sep 7, 2015 01:25
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steinrokkan posted:Except for each and every FPS that an be controlled with a mouse. Or a controller. Or motion controls. Or by chewing a bar of soap. Basically, any FPS ever. steinrokkan posted:Samus is a rich character with a nuanced story of being able to move in a two dimensional space and and and... I wasn't aware anyone cared about the story of Metroid outside of joking and sarcasm. I didn't even realize it had a story.
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Sep 7, 2015 01:31
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JackBadass posted:I wasn't aware anyone cared about the story of Metroid outside of joking and sarcasm. I didn't even realize it had a story. People keep bringing up Samus as an example of a strong female character, so I suppose there must be more to her than being a sprite in a game without a story, but I haven't delved deep enough to uncover the deep mysteries of Samus the great character of world's literature.
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Sep 7, 2015 01:35
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steinrokkan posted:People keep bringing up Samus as an example of a strong female character, so I suppose there must be more to her than being a sprite in a game without a story, but I haven't delved deep enough to uncover the deep mysteries of Samus the great character of world's literature. I always assumed they referred to her as a "strong female character" in the sense that she's not in a dress and she's the main character.
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Sep 7, 2015 01:37
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JackBadass posted:I always assumed they referred to her as a "strong female character" in the sense that she's not in a dress and she's the main character. She's in a bikini if you beat the gameboy game fast enough.
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Sep 7, 2015 01:38
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Jack Badass do you have cancer?
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Sep 7, 2015 01:43
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what are you guys even arguing about my eyes are glazing over almost every post
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Boogaleeboo posted:Jack Badass do you have cancer? Depends. Will you play my rom hack?
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