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Smoothrich posted:
I have quite a hard time following the train of thought in your posts but on this particular point: The Chinese government really doesn't give a gently caress about international co-operation. They are essentially isolationist (except for where they want something in another country) and to an extent show the same kind of Imperial mentality that you would see in a Victorian British citizen. Why would we desire international co-operation with the natives of Africa when they clearly have nothing of value to teach us? The major difference of course being that the British Empire was one founded on trade by a nation that saw itself as very plugged in to the international system (even if they were the best in that system) whereas China really sees a neo-liberal type 'There is no such thing as the international community, just individual nations' world. Also in the name of torturing hard working postgraduate students and professors Here is a list of journals in the field of history. Despite your earlier bemoaning, submitting articles to journals doesn't usually cost anything, it just requires your essay be appropriately formatted and referenced (their sites will give details as to how they want things formatted). You're right journals are costly but that's capitalism, journal publishers know they have a captive audience in Universities so they charge ridiculous fees because they also know that their market is largely restricted to that captive market. I know that losing journal access was one of the worst parts of graduating and if I ever get stupid rich I am buying some gently caress off subscription to e-journals.
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Zopotantor posted:Although I like the image of armored land snails with pikes, I think you meant "Landsknechte" ("Knecht" is cognate to "knight"). Whoops. Still, you do get dragons using the snail's shell.
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I hear a lot of regular Chinese people thinking we are racist or ignorant and arrogant in our disregard of Chinese history and accomplishments yet so many English speaking people always just want to learn more about it, see this thread. China could be making money on tourists and books and media all that diversifying their economy and opening up culture. Instead they use their massive population in slave labor on farms and keep their youth ignorant. I don't think a government is the same as its people, especially when the people can't vote in the first place. I wanna hear more points of view on Chinese history and legacy than its modern day aristocrats is all, hard to know the difference. Thanks for the info, hard to learn anything about that stuff when so much is pay walled not public.
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Mar 15, 2015 15:38
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Smoothrich posted:I hear a lot of regular Chinese people thinking we are racist or ignorant and arrogant in our disregard of Chinese history and accomplishments yet so many English speaking people always just want to learn more about it, see this thread. China could be making money on tourists and books and media all that diversifying their economy and opening up culture. Instead they use their massive population in slave labor on farms and keep their youth ignorant. I don't think a government is the same as its people, especially when the people can't vote in the first place. I wanna hear more points of view on Chinese history and legacy than its modern day aristocrats is all, hard to know the difference. Jesus Christ stop posting.
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Yikes guy. Recognizing biases in history is pretty important to learning it, healthy to question our sources, I'm always a little suspicious without different takes, ancient or not. Don't mean to offend someone's sensibilities or prattle on here but you are filled with rage instead of knowledge. Why I should probably just stick to writing offline hah, less idiots getting mad at different thoughts. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 15, 2015 15:54
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HEY GAL posted:That's not "soldier," that's "mercenary." Soldier in German is soldat, and these people use that word much less to refer to themselves. Deutsches Wörterbuch posted:
Before I derail the thread even more, what do the China experts think of the "Three Kingdoms" TV serial? I'm watching it on YouTube and really enjoying it so far, although I'm mostly rooting for Cao Cao (and I think he's supposed to be the villain?)
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Mar 15, 2015 16:01
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Bad translations cause tons of bad history, it's never a derail to hear about linguistics. I worked with an author on a book about the Bible and my god there's like over fifty translations into English that all read entirely different with different lessons. I read the same story over and over that make Jesus into a completely different person.
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Mar 15, 2015 16:15
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Smoothrich posted:Bad translations cause tons of bad history, it's never a derail to hear about linguistics. I worked with an author on a book about the Bible and my god there's like over fifty translations into English that all read entirely different with different lessons. I read the same story over and over that make Jesus into a completely different person. My uncle worked for Squaresoft and gave me the secret code to save Aeris.
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Smoothrich posted:I hear a lot of regular Chinese people thinking we are racist or ignorant and arrogant in our disregard of Chinese history and accomplishments yet so many English speaking people always just want to learn more about it, see this thread. China could be making money on tourists and books and media all that diversifying their economy and opening up culture. Instead they use their massive population in slave labor on farms and keep their youth ignorant. I don't think a government is the same as its people, especially when the people can't vote in the first place. I wanna hear more points of view on Chinese history and legacy than its modern day aristocrats is all, hard to know the difference. Are you aware of the concept of "anecdotal evidence?" Also, "slave labor on farms," where the gently caress do you get your info from? One of China's big deals these days is that they're industrializing at a massive rate - there's a reason why "made in China" works as a joke. If anything there's more tensions from farmers getting kicked off their land to make way for new development. And as far as I know the Chinese government is all for education - on hard sciences and math and economics and all the other things you need to grow the economy. You have no drat idea what you're talking about, this is a bad position from which to make value judgments.
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Tomn posted:Are you aware of the concept of "anecdotal evidence?" This is 'my city is terrible because Italians have corruption in their genes' guy.
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Do you guys ever look at data? China has hundreds of millions of farmers and little actual technology behind it. Shockingly low amount of tools like tractors or anything. Must be horrible quality of life for people outside of cities, who also are now even suing China for criminal negligence in controlling coal emissions and people getting cancer there like a pandemic. Those are the people who's history are more interesting to me, not the Great Men of Chinese mythology half of whom probably aren't even real, like all other ancient crap that people take for granted. Whatever guys, it's not personal, I'll go tweet their dictator my concerns about it instead. ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:My uncle worked for Squaresoft and gave me the secret code to save Aeris. Check out some Bible translation databases. It's all public without copyright so it's all online. It's actually interesting to compare the translations of famous stories. They read very different full of bias choices in words and narrative focus. Smoothrich fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Mar 15, 2015 17:25
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It's so easy to troll you guys
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Smoothrich posted:I hear a lot of regular Chinese people thinking we are racist or ignorant and arrogant in our disregard of Chinese history and accomplishments yet so many English speaking people always just want to learn more about it, see this thread. China could be making money on tourists and books and media all that diversifying their economy and opening up culture. Instead they use their massive population in slave labor on farms and keep their youth ignorant. I don't think a government is the same as its people, especially when the people can't vote in the first place. I wanna hear more points of view on Chinese history and legacy than its modern day aristocrats is all, hard to know the difference. So what's it like to still be in the sixties?
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Smoothrich posted:Check out some Bible translation databases. It's all public without copyright so it's all online. It's actually interesting to compare the translations of famous stories. They read very different full of bias choices in words and narrative focus. That wasn't the part I was questioning. Aeris and Cloud have so many cute little babies when you use the secret code my uncle gave me.
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the JJ posted:So what's it like to still be in the sixties? The OP went to China for a job he can't even do cuz of CCP thugs making GBS threads on public education..
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Smoothrich posted:The OP went to China for a job he can't even do cuz of CCP thugs making GBS threads on public education.. They also poo poo on the streets. You might want to ask your questions here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3693893
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Zopotantor posted:Yeah, but both mean somebody who gets paid "Sold", and that has nothing to do with "salt". It's pretty good. Cao cao is really just a villain because convention portrays Liu Bei as the real hero and they spend their lives fighting each other.
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 Never forgive, never forget.
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Tao Jones posted:
Sharing this on Facebook like one of the million other white noise spam things people post haha.
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Mar 15, 2015 19:54
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JULIUS CAESAR DID NOTHING WRONG.
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3/15 never forget I'm honestly shocked at the balls of a bunch of senators to just straight up stab to death the legal head of state in the middle of government meeting and say it was okay because he was a traitor. Did they really expect to not all be hunted down and executed by Caesar's successors, who had all the best troops and people's support? It's just such a stupid idea from a logical point of view. Let's kill the one guy who so many people followed up until now as a great leader and then sit back and somehow profit off it! You'd think they could just sue or grandstand with partisan nonsense like Americans do with abusing filibusters and clotures. But they just instead all voted to give him more titles and power then hated him when he had more titles and power? Did any Senators even try to use laws or logic against Caesar meaningfully? It seems like they just kept agreeing with him as an honorable Roman leader until a minority killed him and he didn't see it coming at all. It actually seems very unlike Romans, who usually could just be bought off with money and titles if they cared.. it seems like Caesar tried to do that even. Did he gently caress all of the assassin's wives one too many times making it personal?
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On the subject of China, and also other East Asian countries like Japan, South Korea, etc., do they learn about ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, etc.? Are there Japanese scholars who study Roman history and speak Latin, or whatever?
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Blue Star posted:On the subject of China, and also other East Asian countries like Japan, South Korea, etc., do they learn about ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, etc.? Are there Japanese scholars who study Roman history and speak Latin, or whatever? You should read about Roman Catholicism in a country like Japan, its very linked to Western philosophy and thinking being exchanged and repeatedly rejected. Missionaries and merchants and everything kept trying to bring those Greek and Roman values and belief systems to them in different ways. Lots of social conflict over it, being considered greedy capitalists, imperialists, heretics, destructive to Japanese culture. I believe it took the US Navy rolling up in an ironclad battleship to Japan's harbors and threatening to blow up a city for them to let us in and start teaching them how to get rich in trade and empire the Roman way haha. Imperial Japan seemed to enjoy the idea of the Roman Empire a little too much though there and went crazy. Nowadays though I have no idea, all I hear is "Japanese/Chinese/South Korean students don't learn anything in school in the first place" from teachers over there haha. Barely anyone in America can even speak dead languages or cares about those subjects too sadly. Smoothrich fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Smoothrich posted:3/15 never forget The political situation that led up to the events was extremely complicated. In 59 BC, Pompey was trying to get a number of bills passed, including a reward of land for the men who'd fought under him. His rivals in the Senate, mostly led by Cato, were working against him, so Pompey needed to have consular support. He'd been trying for two years, but the earlier consuls he had gotten elected turned out to be duds. In 59 he aligned himself with Crassus (the money man) and Caesar, which was Caesar's big break into the consulship. Caesar made a lot of enemies, as Roman consuls of talent tended to do, and at the end of his term his enemies in the Senate tried to invent a make-work position for him (something along the lines of Chief of Forestry) to avoid having to give him a military command. In the ensuing fight, Caesar and his allies won by going around the Senate, appealing directly to the popular assemblies, and by their authority appointing Caesar to the governorship of Cisalpine Gaul. The term of his command was five years, as opposed to one, and the Senate didn't respond well to being undermined. In the Roman system, one of the perks of being a magistrate was that you were immune to prosecution while serving, and so as the time ran out, Caesar and his allies worked to keep extending his term of office because if he didn't, he felt that his enemies in the Senate were going to prosecute him. By 50 BC, Caesar was finally running out of time and devised a plan to stand for election as Consul again and have the beginning of his consulship be before the end of his proconsulship, meaning there wouldn't be any period where he could be prosecuted. This plan failed for various reasons, but the Senate decreed candidates couldn't stand for election in absentia, so Caesar would have had to enter Rome to be a candidate and once he'd done that, it would be trivial for his enemies to delay the election until after his term of office expired and prosecute him. So Caesar decided to enter the city under force of arms, there were five years of civil war, and then he was assassinated. The direct pretext for assassination was that someone had put a crown on the head of a statue of Caesar and even though Caesar ordered it removed, the image stuck around. A crowd supposedly started greeting Caesar as "king" (over his protestation), Caesar supposedly failed to rise from his chair to greet a group of passing Senators (possibly because he was being restrained), Antony tried to put a crown on his head during a religious festival, and other things like that. Those bits of theater, combined with the fact that Caesar did continually try to collect more power into his own hands, presented the image of a king, which some aristocrats weren't going to stand for because the whole rationale for the aristocracy as a class was that they booted out the Tarquin kings back in the day. So basically this is a long-winded way of saying that the way you phrased the situation is slightly wrong: "the Senate" didn't vote to give him more titles and power after 59 BC, the people of Rome did, and the Roman state had a very long-running conflict there. The Senators didn't use legislation or the courts because they couldn't, first due to the particularities of the Roman system and second due to the fact that the dude showed up with a literal army. They did try their best to find ways to attempt to force Caesar to give up the consulship, they tried to defeat him in open warfare, and it was only in 44, after fifteen years of chicanery and war, that he was murdered.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:It's pretty good. Cao cao is really just a villain because convention portrays Liu Bei as the real hero and they spend their lives fighting each other. Speaking of which, I'm still waiting on Arglebargle's "Liu Bei's adventures in treachery part II".
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Blue Star posted:On the subject of China, and also other East Asian countries like Japan, South Korea, etc., do they learn about ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, etc.? Are there Japanese scholars who study Roman history and speak Latin, or whatever? Yes, but it's obviously not as big a thing as it is in Euro countries. I would say they learn more about it than Western countries learn about East Asia, but not by all that much. In general it's like a reverse of Orientalism, where "Western" stuff is weird and exotic but they don't really quite get what's going on all the way. Just look at anime and medieval Europe / the fantasy genre in general. Part of that is because the fantasy genre is so fundamentally tied to Germanic and European mythology thanks to Tolkien that it ends up with a cargo cult aspect because they do not have the same underlying cultural context. Like how the Catholic Church analogue always, without fail, turns out to be an evil fanatical cult because that's more or less how Christianity and other evangelizing religions manifest in East Asian culture and history, see the Taiping Rebellion, Korean Protestants / Sun Myung Moon, Aum Shinrikyo / the subway sarin gas attack people in Japan, etc, etc, etc icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Caesar seemed to argue it was his legal right to run for election as consul and the Senate was being unlawful in inventing pretext to bar him from exercising those rights. The Senate engineered events to force Caesars hand to either do or die with the Rubicon anyways. Crazy they didn't just let him run for reelection as a compromise to flatter his ego and not you know dare a would be tyrant leading a loyal professional army right outside of Rome to act tyrannical in the first place. Or at least plan ahead for Caesars inevitable gambit like Sulla recently did. Pompey and most oppositional Senators just ran away in disgrace haha. Why not leave room for diplomacy and cut a deal somewhere? So many irrational decisions from Caesars opposition acting against their own own interests leading to a real shameful cowardly murder to 'fix' the Republic. Immediately triggered more civil war and got the dumbass conspirators killed since they had no follow up plan for securing their position. Makes no sense. All of Caesars people at least demonstrated cunning and basic competence.
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The assassination isn't TOO surprising considering the mindset Rome's "great men" supposedly had regarding personal and public self-esteem. A lot of the top citizens of Rome post Civil War basically had to face up to the fact they were only in the position they were in because of Caesar's goodwill. That included both his supporters and his opponents, and people didn't so much as earn/gain important roles in the military and civil structure on their own merits (or family name) as they were "gifted" them by Caesar. Cato - despite being a huge rear end in a top hat and arguably one of the major causes of Pompey's dithering as General of the Exiles - was looked on as a hero and "true" Roman because he killed himself rather than submit to Caesar's authority, or allow Caesar power over him by "forgiving" him. Cicero agonized over being a hypocrite for accepting the situation with Caesar post-Civil War, his only rebellion being his written memorial praising Cato (which drove Caesar into a huge tantrum, much to his delight), and Brutus was apparently taunted by graffiti accusing him of betraying his family history (one of his ancestors was among those who overthrew the last of the Kings of Rome) after being forgiven and embraced by Caesar after the end of the Civil War. Brutus and his fellow conspirators (Cicero was NOT amongst them) basically had to face up to a situation where to continue meant going against everything their entire lives/culture had told them made a Roman a Roman. To their mind (outside of their own personal interests/motivations), murdering Caesar would be the most Roman thing they could do. One man couldn't sit on top and rule things, the last guy who did that was Sulla and he gave up his powers, something Caesar had previously mocked him for doing - they HAD to kill Caesar, because then Rome could go back to the way it was "supposed" to be - with the great families (and those new men capable of gaining a seat at the table) raising up the political ranks to eventually have a year as Consul, and thus maintain the integrity and dignity of their family names (or in the case of New Men, create something for future generations to aspire to). That this old system had obviously failed and its time had passed didn't occur to them, or they lived in denial of it, and all the death of Caesar accomplished was removing the one person who could have maybe held Rome together and shifted it into a new state of being.... something that Augustus would eventually achieve, only that time the new order would be received with acclamation and relief rather than with low mutters and dismay. At least, that's my take on things - RIP Caesar, you charismatic and remarkable war criminal.
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Smoothrich posted:The OP went to China for a job he can't even do cuz of CCP thugs making GBS threads on public education.. China makes poo poo tons of money on tourism to the Great Wall etc., their economy has been rapidly (to disastrous environmental effect) industrializing and globalizing since Nixon went to China and de-Maoification post the Cultural Revolution. A shitton of the Chinese upper class sends their kids to the West (many of whom I work with, 75% are irredeemably spoiled brats) but that doesn't stop them from supporting the government policies which, surprise, have made them filthy loving rich. Like... none of that has any bearing on CCP policy towards education or archeology. No one here is saying anything positive about the CCP, but most of what you're saying is just bullshit from the sixties so... Smoothrich posted:You should read about Roman Catholicism in a country like Japan, its very linked to Western philosophy and thinking being exchanged and repeatedly rejected. Missionaries and merchants and everything kept trying to bring those Greek and Roman values and belief systems to them in different ways. Lots of social conflict over it, being considered greedy capitalists, imperialists, heretics, destructive to Japanese culture. I believe it took the US Navy rolling up in an ironclad battleship to Japan's harbors and threatening to blow up a city for them to let us in and start teaching them how to get rich in trade and empire the Roman way haha. Imperial Japan seemed to enjoy the idea of the Roman Empire a little too much though there and went crazy. Nowadays though I have no idea, all I hear is "Japanese/Chinese/South Korean students don't learn anything in school in the first place" from teachers over there haha. haha You're... kind of describing the period of the Edo Shogunate, where after a long period of war the Tokugawa family eventually solidified its power and tried to lock the country down. Haha. One part of this stabilization was ejecting Portuguese traders. Partly because haha of the Portuguese playing politics- and using religion as part of that- and haha partly to clamp down on the arms trade. Haha. Capitalism wasn't a problem (though at the same time the shoguns re-solidified the caste system and stuck merchants nominally at the bottom,* again, trying to stabilize things), imperialism was a problem (because, again, the Tokugawa just waded through about a century of constant war and didn't need someone else trying to prop up a different lord), heresy was haha not a problem , nor was 'destruction of Japanese culture.' Haha. Both of those are pretty anachronistic ideas. The Dutch were more hands off and got to keep an island off the coast as a trading port, ala Hong Kong. Western Studies remained a pretty obscure but still alive tradition, with new books being imported from the Dutch every once in a while. When the Brits stomped China in the Opium Wars the daimyo in Japan took notice and suddenly western studies haha guys started getting a lot more patrons, and a number of naval defenses were built around the important harbors. Still, it wasn't until Commodore Perry showed up that the Japanese realized exactly how far behind they were and this played an important part in touching off long simmering daimyo/shogunate disputes, wherein the matter of 'what to do with these foreigners' became a decisive wedge issue. Again, looking to the fate of China, the winners, haha who at first leaned on the 'anti-western' side of things, decided that modernizing and currying favor with first one power, then another would be the best way to buy haha time to modernize. Mostly they adopted German models, not Roman, for governmental institutions, and looked to the Brits are their model for success (island nation, big navy, imperial holdings to supply raw materials for industry). Again, not Roman models at all. Haha. poo poo, did, indeed get crazy, as tends to happen when you mix racial theories, profit motives, and military rule, and eventually the then reigning haha Pacific powers put Japan in its place. Fortunately by then, the rise of the Soviets, the Korean conflict, China going Communist, etc. meant that 'cooperate with one side in a super power fight' was yet again on the table, though some concessions did have to be made. *They ended up doing pretty well in the Edo period, especially because the Shoguns liked it when the daimyo were constantly in debt. You're bad at history please stop. haha.
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Smoothrich posted:Caesar seemed to argue it was his legal right to run for election as consul and the Senate was being unlawful in inventing pretext to bar him from exercising those rights. The Senate engineered events to force Caesars hand to either do or die with the Rubicon anyways. Crazy they didn't just let him run for reelection as a compromise to flatter his ego and not you know dare a would be tyrant leading a loyal professional army right outside of Rome to act tyrannical in the first place. Or at least plan ahead for Caesars inevitable gambit like Sulla recently did. Pompey and most oppositional Senators just ran away in disgrace haha. The Senate was a very personal institution. Caesar and Cato had hated each other for many years, especially after Caesar started a long-running affair with Cato's sister. More reasonably, Caesar, Pompey, and Crassus had already subverted the Republic once through the Triumvirate and there was no reason to think that Caesar's power wouldn't continue to grow if he was allowed to hop from office to office and indefinitely avoid prosecution for political crimes (mostly bullshit) and war crimes (mostly not), so this was perceived as the only shot that the anti-Caesar faction had to preserve their own power. They were ready for Caesar to march in to Rome, actually...or so they thought. Pompey had promised far more troops than he could actually deliver, but that wasn't discovered until the die was cast. Anyway, here's an unrelated Caesar story for 3/15, detailing the adventures of Young Caesar as a pirate captive: Plutarch posted:First, when the pirates demanded a ransom of twenty talents, Caesar burst out laughing. They did not know, he said, who it was that they had captured, and he volunteered to pay fifty. Then, when he had sent his followers to the various cities in order to raise the money and was left with one friend and two servants among these Cilicians, about the most bloodthirsty people in the world, he treated them so highhandedly that, whenever he wanted to sleep, he would send to them and tell them to stop talking. Jazerus fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Mar 16, 2015 |
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Smoothrich posted:And you're worse at satire but I'm not posting about it. Really, though, do you think haha is a form of punctuation?
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What would the Romans have considered a war crime? I assumed they had a bit of an "anything goes" attitude towards conquest. Or was it more that Caesar did things that would have fine under other circumstances, but they wanted to make an example of him in particular?
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Pontius Pilate posted:Really, though, do you think haha is a form of punctuation? I find that it is these days. "!" means surprise, "?" means a question and raising inflection, "haha" means the author is a lightweight, an idiot, and shouldn't be taken seriously. I do wish we adopted the Spanish method of putting punctuation at the front and back of paragraphs so we wouldn't have to read through the bullshit first. (Smoothrich: want to go down in history? Wrap your comments in this: ɐɥɐɥ <stuff> haha. Just copy and paste if you want. Start a trend so we can skip reading)
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Zopotantor posted:I'm mostly rooting for Cao Cao (and I think he's supposed to be the villain?) He is the villain in a Confucian cultural context (he's not being filial!), but westerners usually like him.
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Rabhadh posted:Getting tired of having to check if it's smoothrich before I bother reading a post in this thread It's not often I'm tempted to buy a redtext
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Lord Hydronium posted:What would the Romans have considered a war crime? I assumed they had a bit of an "anything goes" attitude towards conquest. Or was it more that Caesar did things that would have fine under other circumstances, but they wanted to make an example of him in particular? I believe genocide was considered a war crime, but only if the responsible party instigated aggression. So long as they were attacked beforehand, I believe it was considered fair game, which is the argument Caesar made by claiming he was simply defending his troops and the "loyal" tribes of Gauls from the "traitors" who wouldn't accept Roman Authority, and thus anything that happened to them was their own fault and not his. The anti-Caesar faction obviously didn't buy this, but I'm sure their motivation was purely down to wanting to destroy Caesar rather than any concern over the morality of his actions against the Gauls.
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[color="red"]Haha you guys don't get it haha soon im going to be published in a peer received journal for my insight into the history of Sicilian city-states and haha Florentine camorra.[/color]
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golden bubble posted:Speaking of which, I'm still waiting on Arglebargle's "Liu Bei's adventures in treachery part II". Seconding this, it was a lot of fun to read these.
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