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DandyLion posted:I geek out a fair bit about movie/tv swordfighting and I have hunted for the best examples I can find (in regards to realism). This is mine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs&t=61s
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RandomFerret posted:Meanwhile, somebody else had to teach Ewan not to make the lightsaber noises with his mouth 
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Pilchenstein posted:I love that in Last Jedi they used a take of Laura Dern firing a blaster where you can clearly see her mouthing "pew" When I used to shoot targets I'd make pew pew sounds with my little 22 rifle. If I was holding a space laser you better believe I'm gonna pew pew all the goddamn time.
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Pilchenstein posted:None of this is any less dumb than the official reason, which I believe is "he didn't die cause he was really angry" Anger is stored in the Mauls
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Aleph Null posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buE_jLEZrf4 i like that in the first one this was basically holmes' unbeatable superpower as the series goes on they increasingly and comically don't go according to plan until this scene where he just goes "gently caress it"
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There's a shoot out seen in Once Upon a Time in Mexico that they actually filmed in the Mexican capitol building. They weren't allowed to fire blanks on the premises so they had to pantomime and edit in the effects later. Banderas kept making gun noises and they had to do lots of takes. I can't remember if one ended up in the final film or not. Side note: I learned that from the DVD bonus features. Now I'm all nostalgic for those. Streaming platforms more or less killed that experience for me.
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deoju posted:There's a shoot out seen in Once Upon a Time in Mexico that they actually filmed in the Mexican capitol building. They weren't allowed to fire blanks on the premises so they had to pantomime and edit in the effects later. Banderas kept making gun noises and they had to do lots of takes. I can't remember if one ended up in the final film or not. Not a subtle moment, but a neat bit of trivia that's sort of related: the entirety of Honey I Shrunk the Kids was filmed in Mexico.
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If we're talking best movie duels then very few things can top The Deluge. The colonel isn't even trying and when the guy asks him to finish the fight he does so in an instant and manages it without even killing the guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljExTEPNFnM Since The Witcher started this discussion on fight scenes, a fun fact is that this duel is referenced in the Witcher 3 Hearts of Stone expansion when Geralt fights immortal David Beckham. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kH0pwMv2gk As for subtle moments, I've got one from Jurassic Park. When Genarro visits the amber mine and is upset that Hammond isn't there Juanito mentions that Hammond was looking after his daughter because she was going through divorce proceedings. If you listen to Lex and Tim when they first arrive at the island they mention that Hammond sent them gifts before inviting them. So it establishes that Hammond cares deeply for his family and is trying to comfort them during a difficult divorce period, but all of this stuff is incidental to the plot of the film. I bring this up not as a "blink and you'll miss it" subtle moment, but as a contrast to Jurassic World that uses the same "kids' parents are going through a divorce and they need to reaffirm their family bond" beats with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Michael Crichton books often used theoretical science as the background for pulpy adventure stories, and Spielberg was right to toss out most of the chaos theory and unpredictable systems dialogue from the books to focus on the human interactions in the face of the wonders and perils of unchecked science. It's why Jurassic Park holds up while Jurassic World is cartoonish. The people actually feel like people. Hammond still has the greed and ambition from the book, but Spielberg makes him a much more compelling character by making his main motivations in the film the act of chasing a dream and trying to look after his family, rather than profit margins. Arc Hammer has a new favorite as of 17:12 on Jan 24, 2020 |
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I like in Frasier how they sit at different tables in the coffee shop. They don’t always have the same spot like the friends do in their coffee shop in the tv show Friends
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oldpainless posted:I like in Frasier how they sit at different tables in the coffee shop. They don’t always have the same spot like the friends do in their coffee shop in the tv show Friends Once in a while in Seinfeld they'd sit at the counter and I always appreciated the change of pace.
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Basebf555 posted:Once in a while in Seinfeld they'd sit at the counter and I always appreciated the change of pace. Did you hear Newman died? 
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Basebf555 posted:Once in a while in Seinfeld they'd sit at the counter and I always appreciated the change of pace. I appreciate the input but I’m not sure if this really counts as a subtle moment
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Basebf555 posted:Once in a while in Seinfeld they'd sit at the counter and I always appreciated the change of pace. The scene where all four of them sit at the bar and have trouble maintaining a discussion until they scurry as soon as a booth opens up is hilarious.
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oldpainless posted:I like in Frasier how they sit at different tables in the coffee shop. They don’t always have the same spot like the friends do in their coffee shop in the tv show Friends This is because they actually had three different sizes of the coffee shop on Frasier depending on how much room they needed for other sets. Any episode that requires new and/or big sets they don't normally use will end up with one of the smaller versions of the coffee shop, the smallest being when they're all the way against the back wall.
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oldpainless posted:I appreciate the input but I’m not sure if this really counts as a subtle moment poo poo. Uhhhhhh......what about that thing in Jurassic Park how Hammond goes to get ice cream but then he leaves the door open and it ends up saving Tim because the water refreezes on the floor.
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DrBouvenstein posted:Did you hear Newman died? After a quick google search for Wayne Knight who is very much still alive, I have to ask... What?
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At first I thought he was joking by referencing that Paul Newman died. But in fact it was Olivia Neumann John that just passed away.
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It was Wayne Newman, show some loving respect.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:After a quick google search for Wayne Knight who is very much still alive, I have to ask... What? It's referencing that scene in Seinfeld when they sit at the counter and can't hold a conversation. Kramer misheard that Newman died because of this.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:This is because they actually had three different sizes of the coffee shop on Frasier depending on how much room they needed for other sets. Any episode that requires new and/or big sets they don't normally use will end up with one of the smaller versions of the coffee shop, the smallest being when they're all the way against the back wall. Now this is the type of content I come to this thread for. Thank you.
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Basebf555 posted:poo poo. Uhhhhhh......what about that thing in Jurassic Park how Hammond goes to get ice cream but then he leaves the door open and it ends up saving Tim because the water refreezes on the floor. I’m giving you one more chance to contribute to this thread before I lose my temper
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poonchasta posted:It's referencing that scene in Seinfeld when they sit at the counter and can't hold a conversation. Kramer misheard that Newman died because of this. I thought I knew my Seinfeld. I must watch more.
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oldpainless posted:I’m giving you one more chance to contribute to this thread before I lose my temper In John Wick 3, Wick's rifle runs out of ammo and he chucks it at a dude's face. About 10 seconds before that though, Wick can be seen preparing for the throw by taking the shoulder strap off, meaning he knew how much ammo he had and knew that he might have to throw the rifle.
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The ape planet had a Statue of Liberty too.
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Basebf555 posted:In John Wick 3, Wick's rifle runs out of ammo and he chucks it at a dude's face. About 10 seconds before that though, Wick can be seen preparing for the throw by taking the shoulder strap off, meaning he knew how much ammo he had and knew that he might have to throw the rifle. Fantastic
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eX-WqmEkFo Speaking of the coffee shop on Frasier, in season 1 Daphne dates a cute barista working in the shop. That barista is Gabriel Knight! (no, the other one).
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Arcsquad12 posted:If we're talking best movie duels then very few things can top The Deluge. The colonel isn't even trying and when the guy asks him to finish the fight he does so in an instant and manages it without even killing the guy. Hot diggity thats a cool fight. My problem with a lot of "realistic" fights, like that Adorea one earlier, is that they focus on technical perfection over having some kind of narrative. But looking at just that fight and you can see the characterisation in how they fight. The soldier dude is clearly an experienced professional, and the other dude is some flamboyant fop who fights like he's unkillable. Eventually the soldier dude gets pissed off with him, and decides to teach him a lesson. There's a couple of dodgy moments, a few blocks that are in place way before a swing, but its much more satisfying to watch than either a poorly choreographed flurry of (film) cuts, or an unfollowably fast flurry of perfect (sword) cuts. The bit where he gets the fop into a rhythm and fakes him out with a riposte that never comes is a better comic beat than anything Marvel manages in their light-hearted fights.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Hot diggity thats a cool fight. My problem with a lot of "realistic" fights, like that Adorea one earlier, is that they focus on technical perfection over having some kind of narrative. But looking at just that fight and you can see the characterisation in how they fight. The soldier dude is clearly an experienced professional, and the other dude is some flamboyant fop who fights like he's unkillable. Eventually the soldier dude gets pissed off with him, and decides to teach him a lesson. There's a couple of dodgy moments, a few blocks that are in place way before a swing, but its much more satisfying to watch than either a poorly choreographed flurry of (film) cuts, or an unfollowably fast flurry of perfect (sword) cuts. Even Michael Bay occasionally gets that fight scenes should be a story in themselves. Marvel fights are filler- they literally outsource them to the B-unit.
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Finally watched The Crown on Netflix. In the episode 'Dear Mrs Kennedy' the Queen takes to the dance floor to do the foxtrot with another head of state. There's some photographers standing around with period appropriate cameras. One of them has a Graflex flash handle. Now I don't know poo poo about cameras, but that thing I'd recognize anywhere. One of those was the found item that was repurposed into Luke's lightsaber in the original Star Wars. Later in the same episode JFK's coffin is loaded in to a 1960 Cadillac Miller Mercury hearse. I don't know poo poo about cars either, but that's another thing I'd recognize anywhere. One of those was the Ecto 1 in the original Ghostbusters. I was amused to see two prop icons doing their day jobs in such rapid succession. I was going to take screen shots, but Netflix blocked me somehow. I'm sure there's a way around it, but I'm feeling lazy.
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deoju posted:Finally watched The Crown on Netflix. In the episode 'Dear Mrs Kennedy' the Queen takes to the dance floor to do the foxtrot with another head of state. There's some photographers standing around with period appropriate cameras. One of them has a Graflex flash handle. Now I don't know poo poo about cameras, but that thing I'd recognize anywhere. One of those was the found item that was repurposed into Luke's lightsaber in the original Star Wars. I thought the Ecto was either a 58 or 59? This is equal parts  and  but I also know poo poo about cars.
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deoju posted:Later in the same episode JFK's coffin is loaded in to a 1960 Cadillac Miller Mercury hearse. I don't know poo poo about cars either, but that's another thing I'd recognize anywhere. One of those was the Ecto 1 in the original Ghostbusters. Rupert Buttermilk posted:I thought the Ecto was either a 58 or 59? The car in that episode of The Royals seems to be a 1960 Cadillac Fleetwood Eureka hearse and Ecto-1 was a 1959 Cadillac Miller-Meteor. There's very little difference between the '59 and '60 Caddies (the main ones I always look for are that the lights on the front bumper of the '59 are rounder and the tail fins are taller and have those 'bullet' indicator lights) and I've seen people turn a '60 Caddie into an Ecto-1 when they couldn't get hold of a '59. But in any case it was totally the wrong car anyway since it should have been a grey '63 Pontiac Superior.   Here's the car they used in the TV episode:   (A white '64 Cadillac Miller-Meteor was also used to carry JFK's casket from Parkland Memorial Hospital to Air Force One.) Edit: here's a 1960 Cadillac Miller-Meteor that someone turned into an Ecto-1, anyone but the most nerd (like me) would probably be really hard pressed to point out anything wrong with it
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That Goon who makes movie car recreations said it’s fairly impossible to find those hearses anymore. Obviously someone managed to find one to do it, but it probably cost a lot.
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Krispy Wafer posted:That Goon who makes movie car recreations said it’s fairly impossible to find those hearses anymore. Yeah apparently they only made 200 or 300 of the '59 Miller-Meteor ambulance/hearses so it'd be a miracle to find one that has come through those 61 years in decent enough shape that you could get it running, let alone it happens to be for sale and you just happen to find it before it's snapped up by someone else. I know of one guy who made a screen accurate Ecto-1 and he'd been looking for years and years and years and had actually given up when he accidentally stumbled on one.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:
I thought many of the Netflix Marvel fights were pretty stellar. Punisher, Daredevil...
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Favorite is still the one between Cap and the Winter soldier in the street. Close second is the hallway fight in the first season of Daredevil.
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BiggerBoat posted:I thought many of the Netflix Marvel fights were pretty stellar. Punisher, Daredevil... Daredevil is a nice comparison with its single-take fights. The S1 hallway fight is great - there's a narrative to it, the stakes are set (the way the camera pans down the corridor and back again before the fight to show you where everybody is starting), it's an endurance fight, and Daredevil visible slows down as he's taking a beating. And the dude getting clonked with a microwave is funny as hell (c.f. Every Frame a Painting's "things entering the frame is always funny") But in S2 we have no idea where he's trying to get to. We don't know the environment, we don't know the forces. He doesn't change how he fights, a clip from the end would look much the same as a clip from the start. It's entirely a feat of choreography with no narrative to it. Ironically Luke Cage never did a single shot fight, even though his invulnerability and nonchalant attitude would be great for it.
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It’s a stairwell that was shown earlier in the scene. He’s trying to get outside.
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I might be misremembering, but it didn't feel anywhere near as a clear as the S1 hallway. Doesn't he get a lift somewhere as well?
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He puts a knocked out Punisher in an elevator and is trying to go down, but all the bikers show up so he fights them. He never takes the elevator himself, since Frank escapes. The stairs he fights down are shown slightly earlier in the episode as it cuts to all the bikers showing up at the building. He's in his body armor though so it loses the growing exhaustion of the first fight that makes doing it in a one shot fit so well, and it's just an action scene. But then again most one shot scenes aren't done for any particular purpose anyway.
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That daredevil season 1 fight is only good because it's ripping off Oldboy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwIIDzrVVdc
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