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I finished Crucible a couple weeks ago. I've honestly hated most of Troy Denning's work, be it individual books, or the direction he steered the last two big multi author series'. In comparison to his previous work I'd say that Crucible might actually be considered 'good'. I'll even say the Sabbac game was kind of clever. I didn't end up completely hating the book like I thought I was going to. Of course if Denning was supposed to wrap things up, he did kind of a horseshit job. The main three do finally step back a little, 20 years further down the timeline than was originally planned. He left a lot of plot lines open, like he was going to get back to them later, and it just doesn't feel like a proper sendoff. Edit: Oh, Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void is pretty good once you get past the odd writing style. Casimir Radon fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Aug 3, 2013 |
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I picked up Crucible on audiobook but have fallen asleep with in 10 minutes both times I started listening to it  I'm not blaming the book for this, just unfortunate that I'm exhausted.
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You can't lay all the blame on Denning for not ending the Big 3's story more definitively. He was told either late in writing or during editing that the higher ups with Lucas Licensing wanted it left a lot more open.
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I wish I had the will power to stop reading these books god damnit
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jivjov posted:You can't lay all the blame on Denning for not ending the Big 3's story more definitively. He was told either late in writing or during editing that the higher ups with Lucas Licensing wanted it left a lot more open.
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Does anyone have some material discussing the situation with Del Ray? I googled it and checked TFN forums but didn't find anything.
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Casimir Radon posted:Does anyone have some material discussing the situation with Del Ray? I googled it and checked TFN forums but didn't find anything. Not trying to be a prick here (especially since I can't answer your question), but the proper spelling is "Del Rey". I don't know how good Google's auto-correct feature is, maybe you'll find more material that way.
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Dave Syndrome posted:Not trying to be a prick here (especially since I can't answer your question), but the proper spelling is "Del Rey". I don't know how good Google's auto-correct feature is, maybe you'll find more material that way.
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From things people have said they asked Del Rey people and authors at conventions, it seems clear that Del Rey has no idea what's going to happen to their contract beyond next year and have put on hold putting out any new book contracts beyond what they already have, and even then they've basically cancelled the rest of their upcoming post-ROTJ books, or at least frozen them until they know what will happen with the sequel plots and whether their contract will be renewed. There's a lot of speculation that Disney will try to move it to an in-house publisher (Hyperion, I guess?) but for what it's worth, not as much as the near certainty that Dark Horse is going to lose to Marvel when the DH contract is up next year.
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Chairman Capone posted:the near certainty that Dark Horse is going to lose to Marvel when the DH contract is up next year. This honestly pisses me off. I love Dark Horse and this is going to hurt them a lot, no matter what anyone says. It's also the axe hanging over any ongoing SW series, knowing they only have a year at most to tell the stories they want to tell. It's such a poo poo situation from a creative standpoint. The various DH SW series have always been my favorite branch of the EU, and more importantly, they've been fairly consistent in quality. And next year it'll all be gone just so Disney can make a little more money by bringing them under the umbrella of Marvel. They won't even have an incentive to hire good creative teams because the company that's publishing them isn't depending on that revenue to thrive in the comic book industry. It's immensely sad.
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Do we have confirmation that the license is leaving Dark Horse? Or is it still just conjecture at this point?
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At one point the main Star Wars editor guy said in an interview he was pretty sure they were losing the contract, then claimed he was taken out of context, then it happened again, then he said he was taken out of context again. But given what Disney had done with other acquisitions and the fact that that guy has lied pretty blatantly before I think it's pretty likely.
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Chairman Capone posted:At one point the main Star Wars editor guy said in an interview he was pretty sure they were losing the contract, then claimed he was taken out of context, then it happened again, then he said he was taken out of context again. But given what Disney had done with other acquisitions and the fact that that guy has lied pretty blatantly before I think it's pretty likely. Disney's merchandising empire would never allow Dark Horse to continue in the the direction it was previously going.
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Fuzzyjello posted:Disney's merchandising empire would never allow Dark Horse to continue in the the direction it was previously going. Yeah, what exactly does this mean? I've been keeping up with all of Dark Horse's Star Wars comic output for years and none of it strikes me as "anti-disney" or anything. All in all it's very similar to Del Rey's approach to the novels.
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Troy Denning made a blog post on his work on Dark Nest/Legacy of the Force/Fate of the Jedi/Crucible. Some real ugh parts. http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/index.php/2013/08/06/the-genesis-of-star-wars-crucible-and-the-answer-i-never-know/ Big ones off the top of my head: -A lot of the blame for FOTJ can apparently be laid at Allston's feet -Crucible was intended as a "last hurrah" from the start, which makes its really abrupt ending even more confusing. -Denning just completely misses the point about Vergere in Traitor. -The guy really is entirely obsessed with bugs.
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Chairman Capone posted:-A lot of the blame for FOTJ can apparently be laid at Allston's feet I totally believe that  not actually denning is a hack
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That blog entry is sort of interesting I guess.Chairman Capone posted:-A lot of the blame for FOTJ can apparently be laid at Allston's feet If this really is true it makes me sad. How could the guy who wrote the Wraith squadron books also give us Abeloth  quote:-Denning just completely misses the point about Vergere in Traitor. And yeah I could have told you both of these things before Denning ever made that blog post.
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Denning sure knows how to write a really annoying stream of consciousness.
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My view on Allston is that the Wraith books were fun, but his NJO books were half good and half full of ridiculous stuff and not in the good way (remember, he invented Mr. Lightsaber Knees) and between LOTF/FOTJ, he wrote six really lovely books. Maybe less lovely than the other authors' of those series but that's a pretty drat low bar. And I actually liked Mercy Kill, but it still suffered in my view for being so closely connected to the LOTF/FOTJ series (as well as directly continuing one of its dumbest side plots).
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Chairman Capone posted:And I actually liked Mercy Kill, but it still suffered in my view for being so closely connected to the LOTF/FOTJ series (as well as directly continuing one of its dumbest side plots).
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Chairman Capone posted:My view on Allston is that the Wraith books were fun, but his NJO books were half good and half full of ridiculous stuff and not in the good way (remember, he invented Mr. Lightsaber Knees) and between LOTF/FOTJ, he wrote six really lovely books. Maybe less lovely than the other authors' of those series but that's a pretty drat low bar. Oh, he wrote part of LOTF/FOTJ? I must have missed the byline. Well, gently caress. To be fair Allston's got a pretty poor track record of dealing with the whole "Force" thing. I probably intentionally forgot the "magic hidden-for-a-thousand-years force well that lets you throw big rocks" thing from NJO, so if he came up with that...
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So I'm reading through Travis' Republic Commando series. In the first book some things seem off with her characterization of Jedi/Jedi Culture but I am chocking that up to the only Jedi Character they interact with being a terrible Padawan. In Zero Zero Zero, there are certain parts that ping wrong as hell with the "mando" hero worship and some Jedi culture things, writ baby taking facism. I can only assume I am watching an Author spiral into madness.
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KildarX posted:So I'm reading through Travis' Republic Commando series. I for one would REALLY love to see some of this Traviss insanity forum sperg that is supposedly saved. gently caress her whole attitude
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I sometimes really think that some of the criticism of Traviss is blown out of proportion. At least in the RepCom books, the characters 'worshiping' the Mandos and the titular commandos have a decent reason to do so. Etain was introduced to them so suddenly and literally the very first thing she sees Mando-trained commandos do is save her life repeatedly, its no surprise she's fond of them. Then you've got Bardan Jusik, who was getting disillusioned with the Jedi Order anyway, well before throwing in the Mandos. About the only time that completely 'unwarranted' Mando-worship comes up is in one of her LotF books, where it opens with Luke watching Ben (his son, not his mentor; for those out of the loop) train and randomly starts waxing philosophical about how in Mando culture his son would already be old enough to be considered a full grown man.
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jivjov posted:I sometimes really think that some of the criticism of Traviss is blown out of proportion. At least in the RepCom books, the characters 'worshiping' the Mandos and the titular commandos have a decent reason to do so. Etain was introduced to them so suddenly and literally the very first thing she sees Mando-trained commandos do is save her life repeatedly, its no surprise she's fond of them. Then you've got Bardan Jusik, who was getting disillusioned with the Jedi Order anyway, well before throwing in the Mandos. Pretty much every female in the Commandos series of books falls in love with a Mando 10 seconds after meeting them
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WhyteRyce posted:Pretty much every female in the Commandos series of books falls in love with a Mando 10 seconds after meeting them Pretty much this, and then you have literal hero worship by the Male Jedi dude, and pretty much the entire theme of the second book is "Goddamn being a Mando is kicken rad I WANT TO [be a mando/have a mando child]" depending on gender. Yes some characters have their reasons, but then you have [so far] the Random Twilek bar tender, The treasury officer?, and the chick from accounting? Almost every incidental character that isn't evil wants to bone or be a Mando Doesn't mean it isn't a good series so far it's just every so often there's something in the book that makes me turn my head in a "why is this here" fashion, and I am begining to suspect that the prevalence of this shall increase as I get to more recent works. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Aug 8, 2013 |
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AcidRonin posted:I for one would REALLY love to see some of this Traviss insanity forum sperg that is supposedly saved. gently caress her whole attitude Personally my favorite thing was how she wrote some sort of screed on her website, comparing people who liked jedi to Nazis. It has since been removed from her site, but I'm sure someone out there saved it. It was really something to behold. e: VVV Oh, she didn't even remove it? That makes it even better! And yeah she explodes at the slightest bit of criticism. It's amazing. Srice fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Aug 8, 2013 |
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^^^ Haha, beat me to it. Just read this part of her website if you think the anti-Traviss sentiment is out of proportion: http://www.karentraviss.com/page10/files/Is_it_true_you_hate_Jedi_.html The TLDR is that she explicitly states that if you're a fan of the Jedi then you are a literal real-life Nazi. Also back when the whole Traviss thing was blowing up she also did stuff like compare her detractors to the Taliban, talk about having fantasies of garotting them, and claim the reason they hate her is because her characters have so much more sex than they do.
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I didn't get what 'Talifan' meant at first, equating people who don't like your work with the Taliban wasn't my first guess.
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I...what the gently caress?? quote:I'm sure you think you're a nice decent person who's kind to animals, recycles faithfully, and fills in tax returns honestly. Maybe you believe in God, too. But to me, you're someone who harbours a vile and degrading belief in the concept of Untermensch Untermensch??  isnt this a bit super serial to attach to loving STARWARS novles? quote:It's slave-owner-think: it's Nazi-think. And yes, I bloody well hate it, and all those who think it.
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There isn't even any material to really support her thinking, she just filled in blanks and made up a bunch of stuff about made up characters and got mad at it. It's like playing make-believe with your kid and getting mad at her imaginary friend for being a Communist sympathizer
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WhyteRyce posted:There isn't even any material to really support her thinking, she just filled in blanks and made up a bunch of stuff about made up characters and got mad at it. It's like playing make-believe with your kid and getting mad at her imaginary friend for being a Communist sympathizer Oh I am pretty sure the thought process is a fair bit more twisted, nonsensical, and utterly insane than even that. As far as Allston goes, I'm absolutely loving certain based on his writing that he's trolling. I mean, Centerpoint-Anakin retard AI? Lightsaber-knees? Darth Accountant?
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I'm rereading the Plagueis novel and visualizing a Muun kill the poo poo out of people barehanded will never cease to amuse me.
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Isn't there a bit in Traviss's Order 66 book that tries to vindicate the Jedi purge, and then Scout (from Yoda: Dark Rendezvous) joins up with the Mandalorians because the Jedi hated her for having weak Force abilities?
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api call girl posted:I mean, Centerpoint-Anakin retard AI? Lightsaber-knees? Darth Accountant? What is Darth Accountant and what book do I have to buy to read of his many glorious adventures of him making sure the Empires W2s are all in order?
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KildarX posted:What is Darth Accountant and what book do I have to buy to read of his many glorious adventures of him making sure the Empires W2s are all in order? Is death by employer's force-choke covered by insurance?
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