PhilippAchtel posted:

Funny how even Israel's "left" acts like an imperial overseer of Palestine

Al-Saqr posted:

Wow bringing all the hostages home, defeating hamas, winning the war? wow so simple!

Everything here, is literally everything the israelis have been trying and failing to do this whole time, parts 1-4 is so laughably beyond israels ability and scope of reality he might as well asked for nothing.

Also he doesnt need a plan to make the saudis suck your dick they'll do it for free they're whores and dogs.

I dont understand what he thinks he's doing with this stupid list of demands that will never be met.

Al-Saqr posted:

drat Israel is so winning you guys they're totally gonna win this Benny Gantz has got this in the bag!

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‎Al-Qassam announces more operations today‎

‎Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades:‎

‎Our mujahideen targeted Merkava tanks and a troop carrier east of Jabalya.‎
‎Our mujahideen targeted a special force that was holed up in a building with a shell and then lured its members into opening tunnels that were pre-booby-trapped and detonated.‎
‎Together with the Jerusalem Brigades, we targeted the Israeli operational headquarters east of Jabalia with a number of mortar shells.‎
‎We targeted a special force that barricaded itself in a building with a TBG shell and then lured soldiers into a booby-trapped tunnel opening and blew it up.‎

‎Urgent | correspondent ‎Sirens sound in Ashkelon in southern Israel‎

‎Israeli media: A difficult event for the army in Gaza‎

‎Israeli media reported Saturday evening that a difficult event had occurred for the Israeli army in Gaza.‎

‎This comes after the Qassam Brigades announced that it had killed 20 Israeli soldiers in two operations east of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip.‎

‎Al-Qassam kills 5 soldiers and targets a troop carrier east of Rafah‎

‎The al-Qassam Brigades‎‎, the military wing of the Islamic Resistance Movement (‎‎Hamas‎‎), announced on Saturday evening that it was able to lure an Israeli force, detonate a bomb, kill 5 of its soldiers and wound others east of the city of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip.‎

‎It also announced that it had targeted an Israeli troop carrier with a "Yassin 105" shell in the vicinity of the cemetery, east of Rafah.‎

‎Earlier in the day, al-Qassam confirmed that it had killed 15 Israeli soldiers in an operation in the same area.‎

https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...%82%D8%AF%D9%85

Sancho Banana posted:

Gantz declared his intention to quit the government and call for an election if Netanyahu doesn't agree to meet his demands for a new plan of action until June 8th.

https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1791888844071071791?s=19

The "plan" includes 6 road markers:

1. Bringing all the hostages home

2. Toppling Hamas (lol), demilitarizing the strip (lmao), and guaranteeing "Israeli security control" (lmfao)

3. Creating an "American-European-Arab-Palestinian administration" that'll act as Gaza's civil government alongside the Israeli security forces and lay the ground for a future authority that's neither Hamas nor the PA

4. Returning the northerners home until September 1st

5. Advancing normalization with Saudi Arabia

6. Conscription for all Israelis (presumably he's talking about Haredim and maybe also Palestinian citizens here)

Well, most of this stuff is totally unachievable, so practically speaking, it doesn't matter much if Netanyahu "agrees" to the plan or not, but if he doesn't (particularly because some of his supporters and coalition members might dislike points number 3 and 6) than hopefully Gantz actually follows through on his threat and destabilizes everything but he's a spineless bitch so who knows.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

just assuming america and europe want to be part of this lol, the zionist dream must be to eventually get non-jews to do the dying for their ethnostate

Dokapon Findom posted:

Ben Gvir drawing a gun on settlers in response to their belligerence is something else

Jel Shaker posted:

isn’t that the kind of thing that just grounds helicopters? absolute PR disaster if one gets shot down

Raskolnikov38 posted:

just assuming america and europe want to be part of this lol, the zionist dream must be to eventually get non-jews to do the dying for their ethnostate

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Always look at an about us or faq.

captainbananas posted:

Mearsheimer is an example of the kind of materialist-informed analysis that facilitated the rise and success of the us empire. he can both describe the past and present and make reasonably accurate predictions about future outcomes in these contexts because, again, his ability to make sense of the world is not shackled to liberal self-delusion and nonsense. rather, his analysis is maladapted marxism in the same way that competent capitalists used to use the three volumes (ok maybe they never finished vol. III) to reinforce and uphold the material and ideological superstructures of capitalism.

he was right about gwot/afghanistan/iraq, he was right about ukraine, and he's right about palestine. he had been agitating for a china-dominated approach to hegemonic power maintenance since before the gwot, and he was right on that as well. but only right in the strict sense that it would have been the best decision to advance the medium- to long-term interests of the us empire. it's very likely too late now, but mearsheimer is only human and i suspect he will only admit that in a throwaway op-ed to a second-tier outlet as an emeritus (retired).

unfortunately for mearsheimer and fortunately for the rest of us, the decision-making leadership of the us is and has been focused on facilitating transnational capitalism rather than the traditional national strategic interests that realist political scientists understand. my own take on this is that the USSR's dissolution taking place a few decades before China's ascendency made them an unambiguous threat to the us empire is what saved the world from the us maintaining a national/imperial strategic focus amongst its decision-makers. in other words, there was enough of a gap between the USSR and the PRC serving as legitimate rivals to us hegemony for fukuyama to write another lovely book that provided the intellectual veneer for the past thirty years of stripping the copper out of the imperial walls.

all of this in turn directly drives what we're seeing out of the genociders' actions not only towards palestinians, but between the us and israel. and it's why palestine will ultimately win, because people in the imperial core like mearsheimer are on the outside looking in. like dead gay said, he'd have been a worthy adversary in a counterfactual world, but in reality it's ggnm

Sancho Banana posted:

Gantz declared his intention to quit the government and call for an election if Netanyahu doesn't agree to meet his demands for a new plan of action until June 8th.

https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1791888844071071791?s=19

The "plan" includes 6 road markers:

1. Bringing all the hostages home

2. Toppling Hamas (lol), demilitarizing the strip (lmao), and guaranteeing "Israeli security control" (lmfao)

3. Creating an "American-European-Arab-Palestinian administration" that'll act as Gaza's civil government alongside the Israeli security forces and lay the ground for a future authority that's neither Hamas nor the PA

4. Returning the northerners home until September 1st

5. Advancing normalization with Saudi Arabia

6. Conscription for all Israelis (presumably he's talking about Haredim and maybe also Palestinian citizens here)

Well, most of this stuff is totally unachievable, so practically speaking, it doesn't matter much if Netanyahu "agrees" to the plan or not, but if he doesn't (particularly because some of his supporters and coalition members might dislike points number 3 and 6) than hopefully Gantz actually follows through on his threat and destabilizes everything but he's a spineless bitch so who knows.

Sancho Banana posted:

Gantz declared his intention to quit the government and call for an election if Netanyahu doesn't agree to meet his demands for a new plan of action until June 8th.

https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1791888844071071791?s=19

The "plan" includes 6 road markers:

1. Bringing all the hostages home

2. Toppling Hamas (lol), demilitarizing the strip (lmao), and guaranteeing "Israeli security control" (lmfao)

3. Creating an "American-European-Arab-Palestinian administration" that'll act as Gaza's civil government alongside the Israeli security forces and lay the ground for a future authority that's neither Hamas nor the PA

4. Returning the northerners home until September 1st

5. Advancing normalization with Saudi Arabia

6. Conscription for all Israelis (presumably he's talking about Haredim and maybe also Palestinian citizens here)

Well, most of this stuff is totally unachievable, so practically speaking, it doesn't matter much if Netanyahu "agrees" to the plan or not, but if he doesn't (particularly because some of his supporters and coalition members might dislike points number 3 and 6) than hopefully Gantz actually follows through on his threat and destabilizes everything but he's a spineless bitch so who knows.

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

Popy posted:

dti

Sleekly posted:

a talk about israels current position and why they are in such deep poo poo from the military front, to domestic politics, to its soon to be pariah status

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAfIYtpcBxo

Regarde Aduck posted:

1. stop giving them money, weapons and intel

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

hard R our defenses

Vomik posted:

why do you think he’s a more competent ghoul? id guess if we were to pivot to war with China then the American empire would crumble even faster than it already is

captainbananas posted:

Mearsheimer is an example of the kind of materialist-informed analysis that facilitated the rise and success of the us empire. he can both describe the past and present and make reasonably accurate predictions about future outcomes in these contexts because, again, his ability to make sense of the world is not shackled to liberal self-delusion and nonsense. rather, his analysis is maladapted marxism in the same way that competent capitalists used to use the three volumes (ok maybe they never finished vol. III) to reinforce and uphold the material and ideological superstructures of capitalism.

he was right about gwot/afghanistan/iraq, he was right about ukraine, and he's right about palestine. he had been agitating for a china-dominated approach to hegemonic power maintenance since before the gwot, and he was right on that as well. but only right in the strict sense that it would have been the best decision to advance the medium- to long-term interests of the us empire. it's very likely too late now, but mearsheimer is only human and i suspect he will only admit that in a throwaway op-ed to a second-tier outlet as an emeritus (retired).

unfortunately for mearsheimer and fortunately for the rest of us, the decision-making leadership of the us is and has been focused on facilitating transnational capitalism rather than the traditional national strategic interests that realist political scientists understand. my own take on this is that the USSR's dissolution taking place a few decades before China's ascendency made them an unambiguous threat to the us empire is what saved the world from the us maintaining a national/imperial strategic focus amongst its decision-makers. in other words, there was enough of a gap between the USSR and the PRC serving as legitimate rivals to us hegemony for fukuyama to write another lovely book that provided the intellectual veneer for the past thirty years of stripping the copper out of the imperial walls.

all of this in turn directly drives what we're seeing out of the genociders' actions not only towards palestinians, but between the us and israel. and it's why palestine will ultimately win, because people in the imperial core like mearsheimer are on the outside looking in. like dead gay said, he'd have been a worthy adversary in a counterfactual world, but in reality it's ggnm

dead gay comedy forums posted:

Because anyone with a passable grasp on historical materialism and political economy who is also on the side of capital and within its framework of power has access to power and means that far more skilled and able people in opposition do not. They don't need to be even good at it, but the multiplier force of being in the core of hegemonic power means a lot, because while they can be wrong at this and that and more, their general analysis can steer into a direction that favors hegemony overall.

I'll try to convey in another form. It was the very conservative Otto von Bismarck that motioned for social security in Germany, a highly advanced social reform for its time. He was wrong in a lot of stuff of social analysis - of course he wasn't a theoretician - but what he was able to grasp was enough to understand how to operate divides and scramble the militant organized working class in Germany. Andrew Carnegie and other similar American industrialists weren't geniuses of historical analysis, but had knack to develop their capital forces to the utmost while operating political sentiment and mythologization (the gospel of wealth for example) to create enduring conditions for hegemonic power, both material and ideological.

And in a more relevant way that connects to the thread, Nixon and Kissinger (to a lesser degree, funnily enough). For example, Nixon and his state dept bungled badly in the political consequences of the Yom Kippur war, but Nixon told opposing republicans to eat poo poo and he was going to China whether they liked or not.

Those types could do lots of dumbassery, but they had enough ability to maintain course because of ridiculous material means to act as compensation/multipliers for their mistakes. Current day neoliberals have completely lost the plot about material and ideological power, the relation between and their differences. It isn't that they confound the two as such, they think the latter substantiates the former, which is something that cannot be compensated no matter what (and that is maybe one way to explain a significant part of the political bullshit happening right now)

err posted:

Mearsheimer is going on some podcast/news program/internet show every day and I tend to watch them just for his takes on these micro events in the genocide. It's increasingly right-wing shows like Napolitano, some Bitcoin guy, so it's interesting seeing their framing of the conflict.

Recommend the above video though, he lays out and squares his thesis pretty well here.

Grimson posted:

the resistance in the west bank downed a helicopter in june last year during a week long set of riots/raids in jenin forcing it to carry out an emergency landing

dead gay comedy forums posted:

Those types could do lots of dumbassery, but they had enough ability to maintain course because of ridiculous material means to act as compensation/multipliers for their mistakes. Current day neoliberals have completely lost the plot about material and ideological power, the relation between and their differences. It isn't that they confound the two as such, they think the latter substantiates the former, which is something that cannot be compensated no matter what (and that is maybe one way to explain a significant part of the political bullshit happening right now)

Real hurthling! posted:

surprised the main drone doesnt also have a warhead if they're gonna fly it into the ground anyway but maybe theres not enough juice in their engines

Precambrian Video Games posted:

https://x.com/EliseStefanik/status/1791992948210499803

Flying over to Israel to denounce (mainly American I'd assume) student protesters in front of the Knesset and campaign against the opposition seems pretty epic.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

hard R our defenses

Precambrian Video Games posted:

https://x.com/EliseStefanik/status/1791992948210499803

Flying over to Israel to denounce (mainly American I'd assume) student protesters in front of the Knesset and campaign against the opposition seems pretty epic.

Precambrian Video Games posted:

https://x.com/EliseStefanik/status/1791992948210499803

Flying over to Israel to denounce (mainly American I'd assume) student protesters in front of the Knesset and campaign against the opposition seems pretty epic.