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Yeah that's the classic breakdown: Hlaalu for thieves, Redoran for Warriors, Telvani for Mages. I also think Redoran tend to be interested in the day to day problems of their people.
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Poil posted:But not quite as much? If you ignore the imperialism, settler colonialsim and resource extraction and profiting from the slave labour they're ostensibly against, sure. Jack B Nimble posted:Yeah that's the classic breakdown: Hlaalu for thieves, Redoran for Warriors, Telvani for Mages. I also think Redoran tend to be interested in the day to day problems of their people. Hlaalu = Imperial collaborator mafiosos Redoran = Depressed samurai Telvanni = Ancap wizards Whorelord fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Feb 16, 2024 |
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John F Bennett posted:Who needs money when you have wealth beyond measure. Work for free? I'm no argonian
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Well it doesn't matter anymore. The game crashed so hard I had to reboot to get it to close. Right after I discovered I had somehow managed to break multiple quests (I couldn't fix it with the console). And after failing to locate some keys for quite a while I went to the uesp only to discover that those keys don't actually exist in the game.  I've kinda lost all desire to keep playing. Poil fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Feb 16, 2024 |
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Poil posted:Well it doesn't matter anymore. The game crashed so hard I had to reboot to get it to close. Right after I discovered I had somehow managed to break multiple quests (I couldn't fix it with the console). And after failing to locate some keys for quite a while I went to the uesp only to discover that those keys don't actually exist in the game. skill issue
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Hlaalu are open and Imperial friendly on the surface because there's money to be made from it. But like half their members are in the pocket of the Camonna Tong which is the native thieves/smugglers/slavers guild and basically what would happen if the Cosa Nostra and the KKK were the same group. Telvanni hate everybody including each other and are so classist that they don't put stairs in their house because anyone who can't levitate isn't worth talking to. Some of them are old enough to remember the time before the God-Kings so they don't respect the state religion and put the temple in the basement to avoid having to deal with them. The Redoran are largely chill dudes but pretty useless and obsessed with honour and old fashioned values. Live almost exclusively in basically uninhabitable places.
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An immortal wizard made clones of himself, but turned the clones into women that he made into his daughter wives and keeps the last living dwemer in his leper colony in his basement and somehow he is not the weirdest Telvanni councilor says a lot about that house.
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FWIW, and I know it's not worth much in that situation, but I can always get a crashed Morrowind to finally shuffle off its mortal coil by starting to log out of windows then clicking cancel at the inevitable "you still have running programs I can't close, you dummy" screen. Even with moderns SSDs I find it's less annoying than a real reboot.
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The Hlaalu also run the abolitionist faction. In conclusion, Morrowind is a land of contrasts.
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7c Nickel posted:The Hlaalu also run the abolitionist faction. In conclusion, Morrowind is a land of contrasts. Also I think the faction that has the largest scale mission against slavery is actually House Redoran. Mostly out of spite but the result is the same.
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I guess Hlaalu ended slavery sometime between the Nerevarine and the Red Year but I think that may be just from a Kirkbride forum post or something. Anyway they get absolutely bodied by the Argonians so that's pretty funny
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7c Nickel posted:The Hlaalu also run the abolitionist faction. In conclusion, Morrowind is a land of contrasts. No they don't. A Hlaalu does. Her uncle runs the largest slave plantation on Vvardenfell.
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Like, the daughter of a duke is living in social housing provided by the temple presumably because she's been cut off from her family's wealth due to her agitation.
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Play as Hlaalu but backstab the empire and your own house
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It’s always bugged me that the Great Houses are tied to class archetypes rather than purely an ideological choice. It would make more sense to tie advancements in the guilds to skills & attributes (the guilds being professional organizations and all) while things like political and religious factions were tied purely to your actions.
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DaysBefore posted:I guess Hlaalu ended slavery sometime between the Nerevarine and the Red Year but I think that may be just from a Kirkbride forum post or something. Anyway they get absolutely bodied by the Argonians so that's pretty funny Slavery ended in Morrowind between TES 3 and TES 4. I think NPCs sometimes mention it in Oblivion's glorious random conversations, but the PGE that came with Oblivion's Collector's Edition confirmed that Helseth ended slavery and under his guidance Hlaalu and Dres teamed up to pick apart the rapidly imploding House Indoril after they fell apart with the fall of the Tribunal. Of course after Oblivion, the Empire withdrew from Morrowind, the Red Year happened, the Argonians paid the Dunmer back for slavery, and everyone Hlaalu had pissed off during the Empire's reign took their chance to settle some scores, resulting in Hlaalu being demoted from Great House status. Jimmy Noskill posted:It’s always bugged me that the Great Houses are tied to class archetypes rather than purely an ideological choice. It would make more sense to tie advancements in the guilds to skills & attributes (the guilds being professional organizations and all) while things like political and religious factions were tied purely to your actions. This is always how I've thought of an 'idealized' faction system. Each of the 'skill-based' factions has a main story that can be completed by virtually anyone, but to advance the ranks, you need to not only go through that story, you need to show proficiency in skills, and even do some additional quests that are heavily tied in to that faction's mechanics (though that kind of shits on Fighters since 'can kill things' is perfectly capable by mages and stealth archers). Meanwhile the Dark Brotherhood and/or a 'good' counterpoint faction don't really care about skills, but results, and as a result their ranks are directly tied to their storyline. Sky Shadowing fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Feb 19, 2024 |
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Maybe advancement in whatever fighter's guild should involve winning one-on-one duels? E: And attack/summoning magic (at least) are illegal in those duels.
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Jimmy Noskill posted:It’s always bugged me that the Great Houses are tied to class archetypes rather than purely an ideological choice. It would make more sense to tie advancements in the guilds to skills & attributes (the guilds being professional organizations and all) while things like political and religious factions were tied purely to your actions. Jimmy Noskill issue.
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Book opening soundFreudianSlippers posted:Hlaalu are open and Imperial friendly on the surface because there's money to be made from it. But like half their members are in the pocket of the Camonna Tong which is the native thieves/smugglers/slavers guild and basically what would happen if the Cosa Nostra and the KKK were the same group. Page turning sound quote:Telvanni hate everybody including each other and are so classist that they don't put stairs in their house because anyone who can't levitate isn't worth talking to. Some of them are old enough to remember the time before the God-Kings so they don't respect the state religion and put the temple in the basement to avoid having to deal with them. Page turning sound quote:The Redoran are largely chill dudes but pretty useless and obsessed with honour and old fashioned values. Live almost exclusively in basically uninhabitable places. Take book Sounds of NPCs turning hostile
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All You Can Eat posted:Book opening sound Kirkbride's best work
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Commander Keene posted:Maybe advancement in whatever fighter's guild should involve winning one-on-one duels? Bethesda has neither the inclination nor the incentive to make guild advancement tied to specific play styles and making sure it isnt cheese-able by other classes.
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I always thought "Monks and druids have to win duels to level up" was a stupid idea in AD&D, but for a single player video game, sure.
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Halloween Jack posted:I always thought "Monks and druids have to win duels to level up" was a stupid idea in AD&D, but for a single player video game, sure. Even worse was the old rule that all druids were so fanatically devoted to the idea of balance that they would be compelled to commit evil to offset major acts of heroism.
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Halloween Jack posted:I always thought "Monks and druids have to win duels to level up" was a stupid idea in AD&D, but for a single player video game, sure.
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All You Can Eat posted:Rose to the rank of arch mage, the highest authority in the Mage's guild, over a playtime of labor and sacrifice. Expelled in an instant by clicking the wrong bed. "Sex scandal in the mages guild"
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All You Can Eat posted:Rose to the rank of arch mage, the highest authority in the Mage's guild, over a playtime of labor and sacrifice. Expelled in an instant by clicking the wrong bed. Never understood why stuff like this got past QA. You see things like this in every TES and Fallout 3/4.
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Because people tolerated it as "quirky" and"charming". Things may be changing though as seemingly more and more customers are pissed off at Bethesda and tired of their formula.
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All You Can Eat posted:Rose to the rank of arch mage, the highest authority in the Mage's guild, over a playtime of labor and sacrifice. Expelled in an instant by clicking the wrong bed.
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steinrokkan posted:Because people tolerated it as "quirky" and"charming". Things may be changing though as seemingly more and more customers are pissed off at Bethesda and tired of their formula. They just end up turn off the ability to sleep in beds because it's easiest. Also ES6, they finally get around to doing what they've wanted to do for so long now and just make ever NPC unkillable. Just in case you mistake the for someone who could of possibly had a short side quest, maybe. If they weren't a bandit who started trying to killing you as soon as they saw you.
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dr_rat posted:They just end up turn off the ability to sleep in beds because it's easiest. There is no point in doomsaying Elder Scrolls 6 because Elder Scrolls 6 will be worse than we can possibly imagine, in ways we can't properly articulate now, but will be glaringly obvious in hindsight. Buckle up, gamer! 
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dr_rat posted:There's a chance the music could still be quite good! Didn't Soule end up being a scum bag and he quit or something? Hope you enjoy hearing Fallout's echoing warble horns in High Rock.
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Jack B Nimble posted:Didn't Soule end up being a scum bag and he quit or something? Hope you enjoy hearing Fallout's echoing warble horns in High Rock. There were some pretty severe accusations, and he then he disappeared entirely. He wasn't involved at all with that decade-premature ES6 trailer, which was before any public accusation, and was even expressing interest in doing another Elder Scrolls game at that point.
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