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RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
israel assassinating heads of state again, so what

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docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

My guess is that arrest warrants against Hamas leaders were the price of getting some members of the ICC to agree to arrest warrants against Israeli leaders at all but it still sucks.

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

does the ICC suck enough to reject the israeli warrants and approve the hamas ones?

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

docbeard posted:

My guess is that arrest warrants against Hamas leaders were the price of getting some members of the ICC to agree to arrest warrants against Israeli leaders at all but it still sucks.

They are still calling the ICC Hamas despite them indicting Hamas lol

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

docbeard posted:

My guess is that arrest warrants against Hamas leaders were the price of getting some members of the ICC to agree to arrest warrants against Israeli leaders at all but it still sucks.

speng31b
May 8, 2010

RealityWarCriminal posted:

israel assassinating heads of state again, so what

summon fog? cantrips getting op

captainbananas
Sep 11, 2002

Ahoy, Captain!

Cao Ni Ma posted:

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/a-gr...tober-7-attack/

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

Pretty much all reporting on how Israel likely killed a ton of their own people stopped in like november after the hostage swaps stopped happening. Its not good PR to have returned hostages talk about how they were being fired on by israeli forces.

thanks!

madmatt112
Jul 11, 2016

Is that a cat in your pants, or are you just a lonely excuse for an adult?

Kopmala posted:

I see Mossad took a page out of the CIA playbook.

Like TrueAnon says, if you're a foreign dignitary and you're in opposition to the US, never get in a helicopter. Or plane. Travel by train only if you have to.

panicking, cancelling my flight to Abbotsford

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

Yes. It's well established in the west that Hamas are frogged up terries, so what can you expect from them? The beheaded babies smear has already landed and set the idea that they were especially evil that day. Wanting to prosecute for actual war crimes that may have been committed then doesn't carry any shocking weight to it.
However, the leaders of Israel being held up as war criminals by the ICC is incredibly dissonant with the western narrative and demands at the very least a "wait, what?" from the average person who hears it. I think it has more cut through than any number of stories about Israel killing aid workers, or being shown to have lied about dead babies. Because this has never happened before.

It may not stop the genocide today, but I suspect it is a very significant blow to the structural support in Israel's enabler states. As evidenced by the US's naked desperation to prevent this recommendation even being issued to the court.

It's undoubtedly not in Israel's best interests to have the Israeli leaders getting warrants issued for them but since they can't actually be prosecuted whether it's good bad or useless will just depend on whether something can come out of it that stops the genocide. Considering the US is the main enabler of the genocide and we'd literally invade the Hague under some circumstances I'm having a hard time figuring out how it counts as a "significant blow to the structural support in Israel's enabler states." But again I don't have a crystal ball so we'll see.

Paranoid Peanut
Nov 13, 2009


Is bibi going to jail???

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


a manpad would have limited range in fog so it would require exact knowledge of the helicopter route and leave evidence in the wreckage. so if it was israel it would probably be sabotage at the azeri origin, which doesnt seem impossible

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Rubellavator posted:

does the ICC suck enough to reject the israeli warrants and approve the hamas ones?

It wouldn't surprise me.

das hipster
Mar 7, 2005


madmatt112 posted:

panicking, cancelling my flight to Abbotsford

The best thing to do in Abbotsford is leave, so you're good there

And gently caress that both side ICC garbage. Just a bunch of spineless cowards.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

PhilippAchtel posted:

This is not acknowledgement of that. This is shifting blame for a systemic issue onto specific individuals i.e. the same old poo poo.

i agree with your criticism here but "the same old poo poo" would be the ICC completely ignoring Israel's war crimes right?

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.

speng31b posted:

I'm having a hard time figuring out how it counts as a "significant blow to the structural support in Israel's enabler states." But again I don't have a crystal ball so we'll see.

It'll be either that or a blow to the RBIO as western countries fall in line to condemn the ICC or even withdraw from the Rome Statue.

Time will tell. First, let's see if these warrants are actually accepted.

Mandel Brotset
Jan 1, 2024

Al!
Apr 2, 2010
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Rubellavator posted:

does the ICC suck enough to reject the israeli warrants and approve the hamas ones?

peter griffin skin tone test

Dr_0ctag0n
Apr 25, 2015
Probation
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uninterrupted posted:

its also v easy to dismiss the claim that during a military operation, there was a step in the middle to stop the advance, do a bunch of rapes, then pick the guns back up and keep going

Only after destroying all their getaway cars with RPGs while Apaches and drones circled overhead.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!




idk i feel like "flying helicopter thru fog" took the W here and israel is just piggybacking and claiming they did they legwork

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

docbeard posted:

Just wanted to drop here again that even the pacifist Mennonite Church (who as you might expect don't approve of any violence against anyone) doesn't Both Sides this:

Even if your goal is peace and reconciliation rather than a military victory, it's no good without justice (just as faith without works is dead, so peace without justice is only the peace of the grave), and justice here requires first and foremost that Palestine be free.

there has been a pretty heavy Mennonite presence at a bunch of the campus protests, and despite being pacifists and largely seeming extremely uncomfortable with both the general confrontational tone of the protests and also political radicalism in general, they have consistently been unconditionally supportive and provided a great deal of aid and assistance even when things started getting quite a bit cooler than they would normally be okay with

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 15 days!)

Al! posted:

they become quiet because there isnt any, just statements from pro isreali orgs who has an uncle who works for the idf and says the palestinians were making a necklace of baby heads

Listen up dipshit, I was there and saw it with my own eyes. It was a Palestinian baby making a necklace of heads.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



I've become v amicable to government involvement in poo poo as i've become more radicalized and read more about clandestine operations but also my 15+ years of watching air crash investigation documentaries tells me that helicopter in fog is bad

Sherbert Hoover
Dec 12, 2019

Working hard, thank you!

Al-Saqr posted:

Azerbaijan? culture?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOV1K1HvJLw&t=258s

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
r/worldnews is in shambles

Barrel Cactaur
Oct 6, 2021

Dr_0ctag0n posted:

For one example just go look at those videos of the cars from that rave they said Hamas blew up.

Almost every vehicle has the roof literally folded inward by the hellfire missile strike on the top of the car. Like 90% of those vehicles they showed were all destroyed by IDF knowingly with hostages in them to prevent them from crossing back into Gaza.



That's not the kind of damage you see from a missile strike, that's the kind of damage you see from a fuel fire. The sheet metal sags in the heat.

Entirely consistent with being burned down and then manhandled with construction equipment.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Barrel Cactaur posted:

That's not the kind of damage you see from a missile strike, that's the kind of damage you see from a fuel fire. The sheet metal sags in the heat.

Car fuel cant melt steel beams

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

punishedkissinger posted:

i think warrants for Hamas being sought as well isnt such a big deal tbh. Being called equivalent to Hamas is still better than anything we've seen so far from the Western "international community" and zionists are gonna melt down over it.

Nothing will make Zionists more mad than being compared to the guys they want to exterminate. Other than maybe being told they're wrong about something.

ScootsMcSkirt
Oct 29, 2013


cspam still showing its antisemitism by spreading fog libel

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

People are rightfully mocking the both sidesism of the statement but the ICC was never going to be the site of Zionism's surrender. This ruling is a tactical retreat and every retreat is a sign, an admission, of defeat.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 15 days!)

Hamas is gonna beat the case.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

the ICC (well it’s immediate and direct predecessors) prosecuted and convicted tons of white people which is why they may be more nervous than usual seemingly

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

Mantis42 posted:

People are rightfully mocking the both sidesism of the statement but the ICC was never going to be the site of Zionism's surrender. This ruling is a tactical retreat and every retreat is a sign, an admission, of defeat.

Its not like the hamas guys listed were just free wheelin' around europe before this and this forces america to have to condemn the UN which is a real bad look.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Someone - either Russell Dobular of Due Dissidence or Max Blumenthal/Aaron Mate - recently said that the ICC even issuing arrest warrants for Israelis is, like you said, a sign of Zionism's foundation crumbling underneath it. Not too long ago, the idea of officials from The Only Jewish State (tm) having warrants out against them would have been unthinkable. It does suck that you just know the corporate media and State Department will emphasize the warrants against Hamas and de-emphasize the ones against Israel.

Dr_0ctag0n
Apr 25, 2015
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Barrel Cactaur posted:

That's not the kind of damage you see from a missile strike, that's the kind of damage you see from a fuel fire. The sheet metal sags in the heat.

Entirely consistent with being burned down and then manhandled with construction equipment.

Ah yes my bad, they were only peppered with HE 25mm rounds from the IDF apache's chain gun and not blown up with their missiles.

Cookie Cutter
Nov 29, 2020

Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

The one zionist in sunglasses who turns up to aggro demos here in Edinburgh finally got his giant flag + pole snatched away this weekend. Got safely led away from a very hostile crowd by a huge police escort that was just there for him alone.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010
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Dr_0ctag0n posted:

Ah yes my bad, they were only peppered with HE 25mm rounds from the IDF apache's chain gun and not blown up with their missiles.

israel immediately cut up all the cars and scrapped/buried them for some reason so i guess we have to assume it was hamas like they said

Leandros
Dec 14, 2008

Barrel Cactaur posted:

That's not the kind of damage you see from a missile strike, that's the kind of damage you see from a fuel fire. The sheet metal sags in the heat.

Entirely consistent with being burned down and then manhandled with construction equipment.

I'm not a car fire guy but are engines supposed to disappear and leave a Terminator style time travel hole when there's a fire like the car right of the lower dude?

Leandros has issued a correction as of 15:22 on May 20, 2024

Al!
Apr 2, 2010
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Cookie Cutter posted:

The one zionist in sunglasses who turns up to aggro demos here in Edinburgh finally got his giant flag + pole snatched away this weekend. Got safely led away from a very hostile crowd by a huge police escort that was just there for him alone.

try that in a small town

speng31b
May 8, 2010

lets not be osinting the pictures of burned cars

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Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.

Al! posted:

israel immediately cut up all the cars and scrapped/buried them for some reason so i guess we have to assume it was hamas like they said

They didn't, that idea wasn't executed in the end. In fact, they used the piles of burned cars as a prop in the "independence day" (Nakba day) ceremony not too long ago.

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