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ex post facho posted:any polling around a generic DSA vs. generic dem? polling costs money, and dsa doesn't have enough name recognition for "generic dsa" to mean anything to most people yet anyway ask again in 3 years
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What's DSA membership now? 20,000 nationwide? 40,000?
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loquacius posted:J E T S JEETS JEETS JEETS
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https://twitter.com/anastasiakeeley/status/888443343696429056 I think you'll find forcing prisoners to work is extremely good and not at all slavery
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of course both cohen and cooper (the only two dems in tennessee) voted in favor of ice reauthorization. good job, jerks, way to really help out on that whole brand differentiation thing.
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Agean90 posted:https://twitter.com/anastasiakeeley/status/888443343696429056 the 13th amendment literally says criminals can be slaves
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bump_fn posted:the 13th amendment literally says criminals can be slaves nonsense fellow hillarybot slavery is bad and prisoner work programs are good therefore prisoner work programs arnt slavery!!!
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ex post facho posted:any polling around a generic DSA vs. generic dem?
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oh i thought it was, welp
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it's cheap enough that we've had "donate some $$$ to make PPP ask this question" threads
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bump_fn posted:the 13th amendment literally says criminals can be slaves It's a long standing tradition that helps save us money
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Agean90 posted:https://twitter.com/anastasiakeeley/status/888443343696429056 lol I work with a former guard from there (idiot). It's basically a gulag.
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Main Paineframe posted:Feinstein is probably totally safe, unfortunately I think the jungle primary idiocy could actually aid a challenger. Republicans all know and hate Feinstein (mostly for imagined reasons) and might well vote for a different Dem just out of spite. Trick is finding a charismatic & non-insane progressive who can rally the huge and disparate groups of lefties in the state and also raise the many, many millions necessary to knife her.
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keith ellison is on twitter explaining that "better skills" represents free access to both education and vocational training and such; he felt that "better education" wouldn't have gotten the point across as well as it would have implied a more limited focus on just the grade school -> college track
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Vox Nihili posted:I think the jungle primary idiocy could actually aid a challenger. Republicans all know and hate Feinstein (mostly for imagined reasons) and might well vote for a different Dem just out of spite. Trick is finding a charismatic & non-insane progressive who can rally the huge and disparate groups of lefties in the state and also raise the many, many millions necessary to knife her. California republicans would rather cut their guts out in the voting booth and bleed out than vote for a democrat
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Venuz Patrol posted:keith ellison is on twitter explaining that "better skills" represents free access to both education and vocational training and such; he felt that "better education" wouldn't have gotten the point across as well as it would have implied a more limited focus on just the grade school -> college track just say free public college you goober. free college. free healthcare. free money. democrats 2020: free stuff for poor people, and gently caress you
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GalacticAcid posted:What's DSA membership now? 20,000 nationwide? 40,000? https://twitter.com/AnchorageDSA/status/887203814540955648 https://twitter.com/AnchorageDSA/status/887216615640584192
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Taintrunner posted:just say free public college you goober. Normal brain: pay for college Large brain: free college Galactic brain: college pays you
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Taintrunner posted:just say free public college you goober. I mean, free public college wouldn't really solve our educational problem by itself, even if it would be an excellent start due to not putting the people it leaves completely unprepared for their lives in crippling debt for no reason. Keith seems to be saying that they're trying to include it as part of a wider strategy. "Vocational training" doesn't just mean making coding an elective. My wife is a school counselor, and she's gone on tours of trade-schools, and according to her if you go to one of these and get trained as a plumber or HVAC or something you can easily end up with a full-time job that pays more than hers does, and hers required a master's degree. I'm in favor of vocational tracks becoming a more accessible thing, and making it less shameful not to get a Bachelor's degree you have no need or intention of using. The problem here of course is making that idea which I struggled to articulate in a poorly-written paragraph clear from one-third of a slogan.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Normal brain: pay for college so you're encouraging more people go into stem?
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The Muppets On PCP posted:https://twitter.com/AnchorageDSA/status/887203814540955648 What does the second tweet say? I can't read it.
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https://twitter.com/JonathanCohn/status/888028868782764032 Venuz Patrol posted:keith ellison is on twitter explaining that "better skills" represents free access to both education and vocational training and such; he felt that "better education" wouldn't have gotten the point across as well as it would have implied a more limited focus on just the grade school -> college track luv you keith but " free access to both education and vocational training" could mean just about anything coming from establishment dems. FREE access to unsubsidized loans for startup founders!!
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DSA memes are on point but spelling it "alot" is problematic as heck
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Scent of Worf posted:luv you keith but " free access to both education and vocational training" could mean just about anything coming from establishment dems. I mean, yeah, all we have to go on is the slogan and Ellison's tweeted explanation There isn't any information on the actual platform behind the slogan yet; it could be good or it could be bad but if Keith is behind it it probably deserves a LITTLE benefit-of-the-doubt 
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Agean90 posted:https://twitter.com/anastasiakeeley/status/888443343696429056 indeed i too cannot differentiate between prison labor and voluntary work-release programs
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loquacius posted:but if Keith is behind it it probably deserves a LITTLE benefit-of-the-doubt the D&D Bad Dems thread has informed me hes a neoliberal shill, actually because boy if you think this is the suck zone, youve obviously never read the D&D equivalent
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paranoid randroid posted:DSA memes are on point but spelling it "alot" is problematic as heck i just looked this up and that's the correct way to spell it, sorry
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:indeed i too cannot differentiate between prison labor and voluntary work-release programs  hoo boy this here is a take
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paranoid randroid posted:DSA memes are on point but spelling it "alot" is problematic as heck 
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ShutteredIn posted:i just looked this up and that's the correct way to spell it, sorry n-no... no! it cant be!
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:indeed i too cannot differentiate between prison labor and voluntary work-release programs ah see they CHOSE to work for free (under threat of more jail time), so it's not slavery at all!
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Ugh I am assailed with existential dread and hopelessness for the future cheer up, that retard spicer resigned
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the bitcoin of weed posted:ah see they CHOSE to work for free (under threat of more jail time), so it's not slavery at all! yes that's definitely how work release functions you nailed it
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Scent of Worf posted:cheer up, that retard spicer resigned this is exactly why im sad
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HP Hovercraft, my hot take is that if the Thirteenth Amendment specifically lists something as the only legal type of slavery, it is slavery Another hot take is that if you are so het-up about people saying Hillary Clinton owned slaves that you are willing to invade the suck zone so you can melt down over it without people yelling at you for making non-joke posts in the Trump thread you may want to consider reevaluating your hill-death policy
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