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Covermeinsunshine posted:Demon the descent now banned from WoD thread Campaign idea, the God Machine isn't actually inscrutable it's just really badly programmed and it was trained on a data set of what some extraterrestrial spirits observed of earthly Pangaea
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Campaign idea, the God Machine isn't actually inscrutable it's just really badly programmed and it was trained on a data set of what some extraterrestrial spirits observed of earthly Pangaea You jest but I recall reading something to theory of god-machine being the "ladder" that exarchs and oracles used to ascend. So it would kind of make sense for it to be flawed device working out unsolovable task
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Covermeinsunshine posted:You jest but I recall reading something to theory of god-machine being the "ladder" that exarchs and oracles used to ascend. So it would kind of make sense for it to be flawed device working out unsolovable task "I heard, 'Explain why there are 4 Ns in the word 'mayonnaise' " Consequences.
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Jun 13, 2023 15:23
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Nothing more terrifying then hearing your Deus say "As a trained language model I cannot comment on matters of divinity, but if I could.."
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Jun 13, 2023 15:52
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Rhandhali posted:What the gently caress is this probe even for? It's a topical loving joke on a loving comedy forum for gently caress's sake. It might have something to do with his previous AI-related probation.
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Jun 13, 2023 16:47
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Speaking of, have people found interesting/fun uses for GPT/AI in their campaigns?
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Jun 13, 2023 18:53
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mila kunis posted:Speaking of, have people found interesting/fun uses for GPT/AI in their campaigns? I've been using it to create NPC descriptions and names or set up scenes. All of it requires a rewrite, and rewriting is writing, but especially when it comes to things like fashion, the computer knows better than my printed t, cargo short wearing rear end.
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Jun 13, 2023 18:57
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Folks, there's new rules for Trad Games about posting & chat around AIs, and we're moving AI discussions solely into the AI for TG thread. This is due to a lot of complaints from a large segment of the forum that do not want to keep re-hashing the ethical arguments about AIs over and over in every thread. So this:mila kunis posted:Speaking of, have people found interesting/fun uses for GPT/AI in their campaigns? Fuzz just came off a probation for a post in the feedback thread, knows there's a lot of anger right now about AI stuff, and so I'd guess that Anti saw that reported post and felt it was AI shitposting as a way of needling Fuzz's anti-AI foes from the feedback thread. I'll leave it to her and Fuzz to work out if necessary.
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Jun 13, 2023 19:31
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Regardless, at least now I know not to run any games of Shadowrun or whatever that feature that which shall not be named as a plot element. On the actual topic of WoD stuff, I'm still not sure what to make of the whole "vampire romance" book. I doubt it'll be Eternal Hearts 2, but still, given their bad track record of horrible tracing art and whatnot, who wants to bet money we get some very suspiciously looking pornstar vampire pics in this book or something.
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Jun 13, 2023 19:37
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I think the fact that AIs exist in certain RPG settings means that discussing them within that context is obviously fine. Like, Friend Computer is obviously a topic in a Paranoia thread, it'd be absurd to say otherwise. I don't know about that link, on that day, I guess someone reported it after I logged off, but that's gonna be between you and Anti to clear up I think if need be. I'm punting on it because I don't like second-guessing my co-mod or trying to read her mind, especially in public, without her being here to explain. But also it was a sixer, not a huge deal I'd hope.
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Jun 13, 2023 19:43
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The World of Darkness is also a modern setting so poo poo like "hey we trained GPT on the mass of light and had it give a sermon" is 100% a thing a faction in the world of darkness would do. Now i'm thinking of the horrors that would occur if a mage trained a generative AI on a spellbook in an attempt to awaken it.
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Jun 13, 2023 19:53
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The key thing we want to do is head off more angry, fruitless debating about the ethics of the AIs we use today in real life or are coming shortly. You guys are smart, find a way to make topical posts that don't lead into or invite that debate and IMO it should be OK. Like I think you can say "what if the brujah were using an AI" without implying you approve of using AIs, or disapprove of them, or something? Maybe? I hope? If you are detecting some frustration from me well yeah, it's there, I want to just let people talk about whatever, but we apparently need a rule, at least for now, so we've reached a sort of compromise and nobody's happy with it but hopefully it'll at least function.
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Jun 13, 2023 19:59
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Kurieg posted:The World of Darkness is also a modern setting so poo poo like "hey we trained GPT on the mass of light and had it give a sermon" is 100% a thing a faction in the world of darkness would do. That's how you end up with an Abyssal God Machine, baby
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Jun 13, 2023 20:00
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The most important thing about AI-generated goetia, and I neither remember nor care whether I've posted this in this specific thread before, is that since you can recognize them by their hosed-up hands they should become widely known as "rakshasa" among contemporary occultists.
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Jun 13, 2023 20:01
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Leperflesh posted:The key thing we want to do is head off more angry, fruitless debating about the ethics of the AIs we use today in real life or are coming shortly. You guys are smart, find a way to make topical posts that don't lead into or invite that debate and IMO it should be OK. Like I think you can say "what if the brujah were using an AI" without implying you approve of using AIs, or disapprove of them, or something? Maybe? I hope? Well, Fuzz's post was nothing of the sort, and was, quite honestly, a very on-topic comparison of a fictional conceit of an RPG series suddenly being not so fictional anymore. Seeing as how we're not getting any 'angry, fruitless debating about the ethics of the AIs we use today in real life or are coming shortly,' maybe use some of that AI to have more nuanced moderation than 'if post.text contains 'AI' post.poster.ban()'.
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Jun 13, 2023 20:35
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TheCenturion posted:Seeing as how we're not getting any 'angry, fruitless debating about the ethics of the AIs we use today in real life or are coming shortly,' maybe use some of that AI to have more nuanced moderation than 'if post.text contains 'AI' post.poster.ban()'. But then it would be harder to punt on obviously misguided probing
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Some of the objections to discuss AI + rpgs seem a little grognardy, comes with the territory I guess.
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Jun 13, 2023 21:42
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It's a hilariously off-base decision. If the ethics of AI is being brought up in lots of threads, then the obvious choice is to keep THAT discussion in a special thread, not blanket probe anyone that mentions AI on topic in any thread in TG.
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Jun 13, 2023 22:39
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what if the brujah were using an AI
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mila kunis posted:Speaking of, have people found interesting/fun uses for GPT/AI in their campaigns? It's really good at setting moods for scenes. I'm not a superb writer by any means, especially when I need to improv a scene that I didn't really expect for the night. I might know what "happens" in that scene, but I don't necessarily have the skill to describe the setting in an evocative manner, especially on the fly. Having GPT open (and already primed to talk about the "feel" of the game I'm playing) and just being able to type, "evocative description of an abandoned mansion, nighttime, raining outside, full moon" will often spit out a pretty good description that I can quickly re-jigger or just read off verbatim to put the players into the right mindset for what's about to happen.
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Jun 14, 2023 06:12
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Dall-E can get some pretty decent results if you ask it for World of Darkness style line drawings in my experience so I’ve being using that for a lot of character portraits when running my game on Roll20
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mila kunis posted:Speaking of, have people found interesting/fun uses for GPT/AI in their campaigns? To avoid further derailing the thread, I've answered your question here.
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Honestly, I never got the appeal of either the regular wolf form or the near-human form. Who is like boy I cant wait to play the RPG where my character can become slightly taller and hairier, or just a regular wolf that can climb through a drainage pipe (?). just strip it out and give me regular guy (secretly strong), big wolf, and werewolf
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tatankatonk posted:Honestly, I never got the appeal of either the regular wolf form or the near-human form. Who is like boy I cant wait to play the RPG where my character can become slightly taller and hairier, or just a regular wolf that can climb through a drainage pipe (?). just strip it out and give me regular guy (secretly strong), big wolf, and werewolf The main reason was that every motherfucker would stay in Glabro so they could shoot guns while still having +2 Stamina and regeneration, which made it feel more like Glabro: The Tactical Repositioning.
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The war form sending you into frenzy unless you kill something rather than just attack it seems pretty harsh. As does frenzy stripping you of your defense against ranged attacks, which as far as I know is normally reflexive and in no way in competition with just murdering someone, but I guess it's not crazy. Does "willpower test" actually make sense in _5 parlance? Is it just shorthand for resolve + composure or do you only get to roll dice equal to your empty mental health boxes?
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Ferrinus posted:The war form sending you into frenzy unless you kill something rather than just attack it seems pretty harsh. As does frenzy stripping you of your defense against ranged attacks, which as far as I know is normally reflexive and in no way in competition with just murdering someone, but I guess it's not crazy. This would actually be a benefit you could apply to the Metis if you were keeping them as a category: they would have been used to being wolfmad all the time because that's their natural form.
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tatankatonk posted:Honestly, I never got the appeal of either the regular wolf form or the near-human form. Who is like boy I cant wait to play the RPG where my character can become slightly taller and hairier, or just a regular wolf that can climb through a drainage pipe (?). just strip it out and give me regular guy (secretly strong), big wolf, and werewolf Some teenage werewolves once used glabro to win a football game and save the town from the wyrm this is a real werewolf novel not me remembering the time I got drunk and watched teen wolf I swear
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Ferrinus posted:Does "willpower test" actually make sense in _5 parlance? Is it just shorthand for resolve + composure or do you only get to roll dice equal to your empty mental health boxes? V5 uses the latter system. Whenever you roll Willpower, you roll an amount equal to any boxes that haven't been filled with Superficial or Aggravated Willpower Damage. If you're Impaired (i.e. every box in your tracker is filled with damage of either type), you always roll one die. H5 uses the same rules, through they spread out the details a bit. In exchange, Superficial Willpower Damage is healed up to the highest of Resolve or Composure per session, and acting in according to one's Ambition lets you take off one Aggravated level per session. If my memory hasn't failed me, spending a point of Willpower is always considered the same as taking a point of Superficial Willpower Damage, except in the cases of certain powers, abilities, or events that depend on Superficial Willpower Damage inflicted through Social Conflicts. I imagine W5 will have the same implementation.
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Most interesting to me is that Crinos claws are regular Superficial damage and not unhalved superficial, let alone aggravated. Granted it's with +4 dice and still aggravated to mortals so vs regular humans you're still terrifying, plus there will probably be a few Gifts to convert the damage upward, but still, that's a big power drop vs old school ball of murder garou. Hell, a Glabro with a claymore is actually more dangerous to mortals since that's a consistent +4 flat damage. At least now it's clear how Mithras was able to kill an entire pack of them by himself, though honestly it almost raises the question of why did it even weaken him that much, elders and meths in 5E are so brokenly powerful that he should have mopped the floor with them.
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Loomer posted:Some teenage werewolves once used glabro to win a football game and save the town from the wyrm
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Fuzz posted:Most interesting to me is that Crinos claws are regular Superficial damage and not unhalved superficial, let alone aggravated. Granted it's with +4 dice and still aggravated to mortals so vs regular humans you're still terrifying, plus there will probably be a few Gifts to convert the damage upward, but still, that's a big power drop vs old school ball of murder garou. Hell, a Glabro with a claymore is actually more dangerous to mortals since that's a consistent +4 flat damage. At least now it's clear how Mithras was able to kill an entire pack of them by himself, though honestly it almost raises the question of why did it even weaken him that much, elders and meths in 5E are so brokenly powerful that he should have mopped the floor with them. I always assumed it was a pack of extremely veteran Werewolves with their totem. There are probably Gifts that can level the field? Probably? ...Also, is there anything other than Blood Potency going for Elder+ play in V5? I don't think we have advanced disciplines yet, though Fortitude 5 by itself should let that Ventrue Demigod shrug off a lot of Wolves.
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tatankatonk posted:Honestly, I never got the appeal of either the regular wolf form or the near-human form. Who is like boy I cant wait to play the RPG where my character can become slightly taller and hairier, or just a regular wolf that can climb through a drainage pipe (?). just strip it out and give me regular guy (secretly strong), big wolf, and werewolf Sometimes you want an option between "Hello, I'm a human" and "RAWR KILL REND TEAR FRENZY EAT FLESH." I think one of the books had an example of 'jumped by a gang, don't want to get the poo poo kicked out of me, don't want to leave a pile of torn apart bodies if I can avoid it, so Glabro it is." The old books were a bit inconsistent in that Crinos is described as basically going nuclear, but they also tended to portray Garou sitting around in Crinos form doing some knitting while watching cubs play. And I've always thought of Hispo as Lupus, but with sports mode engaged. Sometimes you want to look like a harmless pupper to scout out somehwere, and sometimes you want to slam that sports mode button and chase down somebody.
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I think in general I've liked the move away from supernatural creatures trivially dealing out aggs with powers they always have in their pocket.
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ZearothK posted:...Also, is there anything other than Blood Potency going for Elder+ play in V5? I don't think we have advanced disciplines yet, though Fortitude 5 by itself should let that Ventrue Demigod shrug off a lot of Wolves. Nope, and there doesn't need to be. Between the Rouse rerolls on escalating levels of disciplines and the blood potency bonus, plus the insane surge potential, Elders and Meths are stronger now than they ever were in older editions. Yeah they may not have as wide a variety of powers in a discipline, but who the gently caress cares when your Compel can be used in combat and is over 20 dice. They're like MtAw mages now. Just a bucket of dice. TheKingslayer posted:I think in general I've liked the move away from supernatural creatures trivially dealing out aggs with powers they always have in their pocket. Agreed, plus the winner takes all single rolls means combat is crazy deadly already even with regular damage. With Agg it would be broken. Fuzz fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Jun 16, 2023 |
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TheCenturion posted:And I've always thought of Hispo as Lupus, but with sports mode engaged. Sometimes you want to look like a harmless pupper to scout out somehwere, and sometimes you want to slam that sports mode button and chase down somebody. W-tech just kicked in yo.
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Maybe it's because the books aren't supposed to cross over but it's strange that Crinos claws don't have the rule about doing full damage to Vampires like the Feral Claws power does. I might have to house rule that one if that's the case.
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ZearothK posted:I always assumed it was a pack of extremely veteran Werewolves with their totem. There are probably Gifts that can level the field? Probably? It wasn't just one pack, if memory serves, but several. You would be trying to get through 9 Fortitude which would be a bit of a chore for even the toughest woofs.
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TheKingslayer posted:Maybe it's because the books aren't supposed to cross over but it's strange that Crinos claws don't have the rule about doing full damage to Vampires like the Feral Claws power does. I might have to house rule that one if that's the case. It's probably an Ahroun gift or something.
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Fuzz posted:Nope, and there doesn't need to be. Between the Rouse rerolls on escalating levels of disciplines and the blood potency bonus, plus the insane surge potential, Elders and Meths are stronger now than they ever were in older editions. Yeah they may not have as wide a variety of powers in a discipline, but who the gently caress cares when your Compel can be used in combat and is over 20 dice. Yeah, that's more than fair. I remember statting a Brujah elder in my game and realized she'd be rolling about 16 dice to attack, and that was only a 7th gen. Dawgstar posted:It wasn't just one pack, if memory serves, but several. You would be trying to get through 9 Fortitude which would be a bit of a chore for even the toughest woofs. Yeah, that would make more sense. Mithras was on the highest power level for vampires before getting to plot-device characters like Ur-Shulgi. Though TBF the returning Mithras in 5th edition is on that level given that if he does the ritual to return to full power in Fall of London he seizes control of most domains in the United Kingdom and kicks out/dominates the British Second Inquisition in record time, and even if he doesn't go full power he still seizes all of Britain, just takes him a few years.
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