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Shazback posted:I can't understand how Google can be so supremely incompetent at times. it's because promotions and raises inside google come from visibility, visibility comes from a successful launch of a novel product, novel products come from keeping your plans confidential internally, and at no time has an incremental improvement that benefits users ever been novel at google
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It's so funny though when Google so desperately wants to be like Apple, but I can't imagine Jobs letting half as much unfinished stuff be released. I changed phone (Android to Android) recently, and I had to do a whole song and dance just to transfer my SMS messages (not the same size SIM card), which I found hilarious given that seemed to be so obviously something that would have been foreseen and integrated into the basic app, or managed through a cloud transfer/record-keeping system.
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Aug 16, 2016 22:24
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Shazback posted:It's so funny though when Google so desperately wants to be like Apple, but I can't imagine Jobs letting half as much unfinished stuff be released. I changed phone (Android to Android) recently, and I had to do a whole song and dance just to transfer my SMS messages (not the same size SIM card), which I found hilarious given that seemed to be so obviously something that would have been foreseen and integrated into the basic app, or managed through a cloud transfer/record-keeping system. You're holding it wrong. My messages transfered instantly, seamlessly, and perfectly. As did all my apps and settings.
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Aug 16, 2016 22:31
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Smythe posted:You're holding it wrong. My messages transfered instantly, seamlessly, and perfectly. As did all my apps and settings. Hangouts didn't transfer my SMS/MMSes. I switched the "default" SMS app to Messenger and started again from a factory reset, and it didn't work either. I suck at Androiding.
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Aug 16, 2016 22:35
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Cocoa Crispies posted:it's because promotions and raises inside google come from visibility, visibility comes from a successful launch of a novel product, novel products come from keeping your plans confidential internally, and at no time has an incremental improvement that benefits users ever been novel at google its true i've read it on hacker news/this forum many many times.
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Aug 17, 2016 00:25
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dazjw posted:its true i've read it on hacker news/this forum many many times. i mean i'm sure there are exceptions for "core services" i.e. ones that generate revenue on their own but nothing in duo or allo or anything couldn't be a hangouts feature and nothing in hangouts couldn't've been a gtalk feature except hubris
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Aug 17, 2016 01:45
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Shazback posted:Hangouts didn't transfer my SMS/MMSes. I switched the "default" SMS app to Messenger and started again from a factory reset, and it didn't work either. I suck at Androiding. Hangouts has seamlessly synced my every text and phone call across all my devices for many years without so much as a hiccup. That's the degree to which you are holding it wrong. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
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Aug 17, 2016 02:01
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Shazback posted:but I can't imagine Jobs letting half as much unfinished stuff be released. Since he died you have not needed to imagine, as that's just reality now. Can't wait to buy a tripple dongle combo pack so i can use headphones and my Apple Pencil at the same time.
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Aug 17, 2016 02:18
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Smythe posted:Hangouts has seamlessly synced my every text and phone call across all my devices for many years without so much as a hiccup. That's the degree to which you are holding it wrong. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors. epic samery, op
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Aug 17, 2016 02:20
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buhhh why didn't hangouts transfer my smses from one google account to another guhgf why don't mmses on my old phone number show up under my new phone number
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Aug 17, 2016 02:28
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 this probably comprises 50% of my time spent in chrome these days
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Aug 17, 2016 03:07
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quote:He sees Google's products as split broadly into three bands: Allo and Duo for consumers; Hangouts for the enterprise; and services that are more carrier focused — like SMS, RCS, and even the Phone app. 
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Aug 17, 2016 05:29
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do these people ever actually use their phones? like, for anything? or do they just have an assistant to deal with all that? i can't imagine anyone who sends text messages on a daily basis thinking "yes, this is perfect, splitting my communications into three or four totally different apps depending on an irrelevant context"
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Aug 17, 2016 05:32
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Sagebrush posted:do these people ever actually use their phones? like, for anything? or do they just have an assistant to deal with all that? they do, but i think the issue is that they are morons, who should be fired. do you hear me google? merge everything into hangouts. don't make me come over there
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Aug 17, 2016 05:35
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Sagebrush posted:do these people ever actually use their phones? like, for anything? or do they just have an assistant to deal with all that? I'm pretty sure they just hire xda superstars that only use their phones for flashing dev roms and tweaking poo poo and never actually use their phones the way a normal human does
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Aug 17, 2016 05:44
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nerds severely overestimate how much anyone cares about sms integration into hangouts or about the preponderance of messaging apps. i don't think i know anyone who actually cares that their social circles involve communicating over all of line/whatsapp/snapchat/fb/imessage. i don't think i even care. it mattered on PCs when you didn't want to have all of ICQ/MSN/QQ/etc running all at the same time but if you don't have an android who cares how many apps you have installed on your phone
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Aug 17, 2016 05:46
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dazjw posted:nerds severely overestimate how much anyone cares about sms integration into hangouts or about the preponderance of messaging apps. i don't think i know anyone who actually cares that their social circles involve communicating over all of line/whatsapp/snapchat/fb/imessage. it just seems like it's easier to add on to the existing system rather than reinvent the wheel again
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Aug 17, 2016 06:10
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atomicthumbs posted:they do, but i think the issue is that they are morons, who should be fired. do you hear me google? merge everything into hangouts. don't make me come over there This.
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Aug 17, 2016 06:12
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dazjw posted:nerds severely overestimate how much anyone cares about sms integration into hangouts or about the preponderance of messaging apps. i don't think i know anyone who actually cares that their social circles involve communicating over all of line/whatsapp/snapchat/fb/imessage. yeah nobody cares until it doesn't loving work. that's why everyone uses imessage instead of google's five apps. apple has one app that works. that's it. that's all that should exist.
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Aug 17, 2016 06:25
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Sagebrush posted:do these people ever actually use their phones? like, for anything? or do they just have an assistant to deal with all that? hangouts was itself intended to be a Grand Unification of gtalk, g+ messenger (lol), gvoice, plain sms, and hangouts the video chat
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Aug 17, 2016 06:28
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well, sure merge everything into one app, i just wish it wasn't called "hangouts". a generic name like "messaging" or something would have been better, because you can translate that also i want a standalone desktop client, i don't want to run a web browser for the functionality. especially since the hangouts browser app/extension sucks.
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Aug 17, 2016 06:29
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computer parts posted:it just seems like it's easier to add on to the existing system rather than reinvent the wheel again nobody gets promoted by deciding to not create a product
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Aug 17, 2016 06:29
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anyone who wants an iphone in 2016 could have one so people who own androids explicitly want them. apple should just put imessage on android and charge a buck or two a month for it and rake in untold billions
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Aug 17, 2016 06:32
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Wheany posted:well, sure merge everything into one app, i just wish it wasn't called "hangouts". a generic name like "messaging" or something would have been better, because you can translate that hangouts is the one slowest thing i use in a browser lmao brb waiting like 10 seconds for hangouts.google.com to finish loading and show me a page of text converstion oh poo poo i clicked a photo attachment better just go get a coffee while some deprecated g+ backend revs up to send me that meanwhile i have a bunch of poo poo open in slack all the time and never need to think about it
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Aug 17, 2016 06:33
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Wheany posted:well, sure merge everything into one app, i just wish it wasn't called "hangouts". a generic name like "messaging" or something would have been better, because you can translate that They've already got one called "messaging" and it's the default nothing-else-installed SMS app.
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Aug 17, 2016 06:33
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google had a really great product on their hands when it was called Google Talk. they could have probably taken over the entire world market for instant messaging from MSN messenger and AIM and ICQ if they had just kept the fuckin thing working the way it always did. instead they changed everything for no reason as google does and now qq and whatsapp have eaten their lunch
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Progressive JPEG posted:hangouts is the one slowest thing i use in a browser lmao
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Aug 17, 2016 06:38
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hangouts being rubbish didn't help but whatsapp/line/snapchat/etc ate its lunch by being phone number and phone-address-book based (almost certainly why allo/duo are doing this now). just leaving hangouts as gtalk wouldn't have changed much if you and your friends all have to both have google accounts and know each other's accounts.
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Aug 17, 2016 06:44
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Progressive JPEG posted:hangouts is the one slowest thing i use in a browser lmao You're holding it wrong. Personally, I use the hangouts chrome app that works great, instantly, and works flawlessly. I can even paste graphics from the clipboard straight into the reply box and it loads in a nanosecond. Take care.
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Aug 17, 2016 06:47
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time for a beer
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Aug 17, 2016 06:55
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:time for a beer Drinking a cool can of the king of beers rn
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Aug 17, 2016 06:57
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i use hangouts but admit it, its for dorks, it feels like the dorkiest chat app possible, even its stickers are dorky, even its name is almost microsoft levels of dorky, i only use it because dad doesnt have a phone number allo despite probably being dead in the water due to starting from zero users is going to get a viral attention thing going because its photo recognition and smart reply stuff will generate heaps of ridiculous screenshots to share on social media
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Aug 17, 2016 13:13
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it is abundantly clear that Google has no idea what to do if a consumer product doesn't become a self-sustaining viral hit. it seems all they know is launch -> become so successful that you can arbitrarily break things without losing users. if a product doesn't take that trajectory they stand around staring at it for a while just in case then move on.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:47
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i too am a hostage to broken google features due to my ecosystem investment and now mum with her 6p is too when a feature stops working for an indefinite amount of time i personally just accept it now edit: still would hate to go back to iphone but every bad thing people say about google is true Sinjang fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Aug 17, 2016 14:17
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trying to be a hardware partner with google for in development google services is p lol btw
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Aug 17, 2016 14:50
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the hangouts app works mostly fine on my iphone for like the two people i talk to on it. only thing that doesn't seem to work is that it won't clear a notification badge if i don't back out of a specific chat, which is kind of annoying
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Aug 17, 2016 14:51
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the iOS hangouts app is much better than the android one. this really pisses android-havers off btw and is thus funny
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Aug 17, 2016 14:59
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i interviewed at google once and after an interview pulled out my iphone to show a picture of a project or something. i made some joke about having an iphone at google and the interviewer said "oh don't worry about it half the company has iphones" i assume thats the good half of the company
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Aug 17, 2016 15:16
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hobbesmaster posted:i interviewed at google once and after an interview pulled out my iphone to show a picture of a project or something. i made some joke about having an iphone at google and the interviewer said "oh don't worry about it half the company has iphones" uh yeah and 80% of them use MacBook
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yes but google doesn't sell an ecosystem for development laptops
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