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Sticky Nate
Jan 9, 2012

WatermelonGun posted:

this “Julian” fellow seems like a total dipshit, unworthy of a crj song

I mean they're an nxt fan.....

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MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR

triplexpac posted:

Oh man I came here to post that too. That really explains a lot, WWE stans imagining Vince as some noble captain defending his troops

In the Andre doc, Vince gets all weepy about Andre's death and how they probably parted on bad turns. I don't remember exactly what I said, but it was something like "It'd be easier to buy this if he wasn't still abusing talent today the way he abused Andre." and the Vince stans immediately descended on me to talk about how he's totally not a bad guy.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008


This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!

MJeff posted:

In the Andre doc, Vince gets all weepy about Andre's death and how they probably parted on bad turns. I don't remember exactly what I said, but it was something like "It'd be easier to buy this if he wasn't still abusing talent today the way he abused Andre." and the Vince stans immediately descended on me to talk about how he's totally not a bad guy.

But Andre was so tall....he was so tall :qq:......

Big Dave
Nov 6, 2009

Friends don't shake hands, friends gotta hug!



ethan page is trying to get booked by the wwf now huh

Hopkins FBI
Jan 4, 2015

MY SACRED POSTING VOW IS NOTHING, FOR WHILE I STAKED MY HONOR UPON MY COMMITMENT TO NEVER SUPPORT JOSEPH R. B. JUNIOR I HAVE SCANDALOUSLY ABANDONED MY PRINCIPLES
No one who cries over a dead person could be an evil man!

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

MJeff posted:

In the Andre doc, Vince gets all weepy about Andre's death and how they probably parted on bad turns. I don't remember exactly what I said, but it was something like "It'd be easier to buy this if he wasn't still abusing talent today the way he abused Andre." and the Vince stans immediately descended on me to talk about how he's totally not a bad guy.

They shut up real quick if you bring up the covering up child molestation or the fact he's a sexual predator.


Or killing Owen Hart.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

MassRafTer posted:

They shut up real quick if you bring up the covering up child molestation or the fact he's a sexual predator.


Or killing Owen Hart.

I wanna see what they do when you bring up Jimmy Snuka

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

El Gallinero Gros posted:

I wanna see what they do when you bring up Jimmy Snuka

Technically he was never convicted, checkmate libs :smug:

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

MassRafTer posted:

They shut up real quick if you bring up the covering up child molestation or the fact he's a sexual predator.


Or killing Owen Hart.

Really? My experience is that these people try to explain away that poo poo. I mean, in all fairness, it was only six or seven years ago on these forums that people were still defending a lot of what happened with Owen Hart. It could be because it was before more information came out, but we're still talking 2012 or so.

Pinstripe Hourglass
Nov 27, 2008

=RIVER PEOPLE=
Ay yi yi! We look
like... cartoons!





Please remember that VCR is a disgusting piece of poo poo and don’t encourage him on twitter

I Before E
Jul 2, 2012

I'm not going to pretend I'm above tasteless Benoit jokes, but lazy tasteless Benoit jokes are where I draw the line.

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

Vince is sad about Andre because he misses how racist he was

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Really? My experience is that these people try to explain away that poo poo. I mean, in all fairness, it was only six or seven years ago on these forums that people were still defending a lot of what happened with Owen Hart. It could be because it was before more information came out, but we're still talking 2012 or so.

The ring boy scandal of those three does actually shut them up, the other two yeah they will try to hand wave. But very few people want to engage when it comes to child molestation. Sad!

Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

I'm not even aware of the child molestation accusation. What is this?

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011

Hellblazer187 posted:

I'm not even aware of the child molestation accusation. What is this?

The main event and undefeated champion of the NY 64, check it out and be amazed (I guess?)

fatherofmustard
May 15, 2018

https://twitter.com/VRKurosawa/status/1190438058941915141

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Well... I mean, Smackdown's rating will beat Dynamite, yeah, but I'm not sure what that has to- oh. OH. :roflolmao:

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.



Except that what we learned from tonight, the fact that it took a complete disruption of plans and pre-set writing to get anything good on the show, means that it literally can't be good without some sort of disaster.

It's not gonna win.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
Imagine being such a brokebrain Vince stan that you actively cheer for a literal monopoly

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR
Oh my god.

NXT is gonna rebound in ratings this week because the World Series ended and they're gonna say it was because THEY TOTALLY SHOWED UP AND KICKED rear end ON SMACKDOWN.

HHH pulls his favorite move off again. I love it.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Pollyanna posted:

it literally can't be good without some sort of disaster.

Look Donald Trump can only do so much every week.

Pinstripe Hourglass
Nov 27, 2008

=RIVER PEOPLE=
Ay yi yi! We look
like... cartoons!

Looking at their other tweets, it looks like that was meant to be doomsaying, not excitement.



So yay?

UltimoDragonQuest
Oct 5, 2011



MJeff posted:

Oh my god.

NXT is gonna rebound in ratings this week because the World Series ended and they're gonna say it was because THEY TOTALLY SHOWED UP AND KICKED rear end ON SMACKDOWN.

HHH pulls his favorite move off again. I love it.
I believe it's an old Hogan move but it's funny every time.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

UltimoDragonQuest posted:

I believe it's an old Hogan move but it's funny every time.

My favourite is the time where Hogan mistimed it and didn't come back until after football ended, so the ratings went back up even though he wasn't there and proved he wasn't nearly the draw he claimed.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR

UltimoDragonQuest posted:

I believe it's an old Hogan move but it's funny every time.

Absolutely, but HHH is the leading purveyor of it in these modern times.

OctoberCountry
Oct 9, 2012

MJeff posted:

Absolutely, but HHH is the leading purveyor of it in these modern times.

This just reminded me of him turning on Rollins in the fall to set up their mania feud and then suddenly disappearing off TV for the entirety of the NFL season

Low Desert Punk
Jul 4, 2012

i have absolutely no fucking money

Pinstripe Hourglass posted:

Looking at their other tweets, it looks like that was meant to be doomsaying, not excitement.



So yay?

they're still stupid just not in the way we thought

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


Gonna laugh if the Smackdown rating ends up the lowest on Fox and NXT stays the same

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

https://twitter.com/Cadoob79/status/1190970009260085249?s=20

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Well you see one is a publicly traded corporation possibly putting hundreds of lives in danger and lying about it, and the other is respecting a woman's right to tell her own story if/when she's ready. I can see how you'd get confused.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

Wimmen am I rite

Low Desert Punk
Jul 4, 2012

i have absolutely no fucking money
vincels on reddit are extremely upset at meltzer's report on Saudi Arabia

quote:

Is there a proven fact in anything he has said? Just one fact. That’s all I’m asking for. It’s one thing for Meltzer to do this poo poo with wrestling rumours but he’s talking about loving hostage situations here. I won’t accept anything less than facts. These guys NEED to be held to higher standards than a Hugo Savinovich podcast that has already been proven false or questionable at the least.

I find the whole thing a bit too sensational if I’m being honest. It was a charter flight in a dubious country. It’s not like you can just get another one. The airline have apologised and are inspecting the aircraft, no doubt at a loss to them for any scheduled flights. That makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than any of this other speculative BS that’s been pushed by Meltzer and his lot.

If there was a genuine hostage situation, military involved and a fight between a billionaire American businessman and the loving Saudi royal family I think Meltzer would be at the bottom of the list of news outlets reporting on this.

quote:

So. Metlzer is STILL doubling down on this. Putting out completely fake and unsubstantiated "news" which if in any way was true would be reported by mainstream news due to the government likely needing to be involved yet nobody outside Dave Meltzer has a thing to say about this.

This is absurd the Meltzer apologist are still following him after this garbage.

quote:

At some point we need to start taking what Dave socializes with a grain of salt and understand some of his reporting is going to be sensationalized and opinionated due to his alliance with AEW.

How would unionization have helped this situation out? There is nothing a union organize can or will guarantee in writing before any pre-negotiations of a contract as a result of this situation.

How can you feel like a hostage even though every single talent could've chartered a plane home (Harper eluded that he could've done this but it wasn't worth the $).

I don't believe a word about any of the financial situations unless someone produces a contract. I think it's safe to assume the WWE isn't completely stupid when it comes to operating and has a plan where they are paid a retainer for the date, then subsequent payments leading up to the event. If you're still owed money for the previous event and have already rung the bell on the next event you're asking for trouble.

quote:

Unless 30 wrestlers suddenly all upload videos saying 'There were, uh, mechanical issues, yadayada....' within a few hours of each other, there's literally no way of knowing if there's any truth to this. Meltzer might believe his source, whoever that happens to be, but so far most of the social media activity has just been people saying something about being glad to be back home.

I mean, how long does Meltzer get to be trusted about this before it could be called bullshit? WWE put out a statement claiming mechanical issues caused the delay, why would they even bother releasing videos like that when everyone is now home and there is nothing to suggest anyone was badly treated while they were stuck there? I don't know why anyone would put their faith in Meltzer based on him saying 'One person in the company claims....'

Maybe the story about the Saudis not paying and Vince cutting the feed is true, but even if the deal is broken and they don't go back, all that actually happened was some wrestlers had to stay an extra day in Saudi Arabia, in a hotel where they could eat and sleep and had access to social media. It's not really that bad, is it?

i love that people took "talent felt like they were being held hostage" and turned it into "meltzer is claiming there was a hostage situation and everyone is under a gag order"

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR
*EVP makes a slightly embarrassing tweet*
THIS IS IT THIS IS THE SCANDAL THAT WILL KILL AEW FOR GOOD CAN YOU BELIEVE THESE GUYS THEY'RE KILLING THE BUSINESS

*Vince gets his employees held hostage*
Guys, hold on, we don't have all the facts here.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

They've got the brainworms bad. Pretty much any post made yesterday there belongs in this thread.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

MJeff posted:

Guys, hold on, we don't have all the facts here.

Also as we've seen many times in the past (most recently with Jim Cornette even) when they say,"Just give me ONE fact, that's all I need!" and Dave proceeds to give them a fact, they'll just discount it or say that it doesn't count because <file not found>

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
"Harper could have chartered a flight but didn't want to" Jesus, that's literally parroting the company line that Harper was making fun of. I know it's the internet, but come on guys, it was sarcasm!

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
VCR, The Anti Crack Account and a group of other Big Trump Fundraiser apologists just tried to post a bunch of Bix's tweets out of context to claim he's racist. They are doing it for no other reason than because he's been tweeting about the Saudi situation. There's no reason to link to the individual tweets but this is a good example of how desperate all of the hardcore Vincels are at this point. They know the company is completely disgusting so they are going all in.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
If it wasn't obvious before it is now: there is absolutely nothing these people won't defend, up to and including literal death (look at how mad they got when Owen's widow dared sue the company that killed her husband)

If our dumb tasteless jokes actually came true and KSA officials lined them up on the tarmac to shoot them one by one, the Vincels would shrug and go "cost of doing business." And then continue to harass Cody about bringing his service dog on a plane.

Trying
Sep 26, 2019

i find it very suspicious they are posting gifs that do not link to the original posts and am highly doubtful as to their motivations

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davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!

MassRafTer posted:

VCR, The Anti Crack Account and a group of other Big Trump Fundraiser apologists just tried to post a bunch of Bix's tweets out of context to claim he's racist. They are doing it for no other reason than because he's been tweeting about the Saudi situation. There's no reason to link to the individual tweets but this is a good example of how desperate all of the hardcore Vincels are at this point. They know the company is completely disgusting so they are going all in.
I'd like to apologize for ever defending VCR/MSW, even if I never thought he had anything like THIS in him. (As for Justin, it seems like he has a very weird line between shitposting and not shitposting, which justifies nothing, but doesn't necessarily seem like it's as malevolent an action on his part.) But thank you.

The short version is that while there are a couple things I'm happy to apologize for at an appropriate time but didn't go past "somewhat insensitive and not well thought out, but clearly not malevolent," like saying that some fighters weighing in all drawn out from dehydration looked like "AIDS patients." But...one or two of those got sprinkled in with:

1. A tweet referring to a store that exclusively carries gay-themed pornography as a "gay porn store" (literally, I was walking past such a place in SoHo and tweeted about it because the guy on the poster in the window looked like Billy Zabka).
2. A literal, obvious sentence fragment (“...the average black American of ‘African’ descent just has some vague idea...”) from before the character limit got doubled (and before threading worked reliably, as well) reframed as me calling black Americans fake Africans. It was actually part of a sentence where I was explaining to some alt-white types how "black" and "African American" became the default terms because black Americans who descend from slaves generally don't know what country their ancestors came from. (It grew out of one of those dumb Cain Velasquez tattoo arguments, in this case with MMA fighter Michelle Ould and some other idiots. After I said that there's nothing about "white" that's worth being proud of, one of them countered with "What about 'black pride?")

I gotta say though, I would not have expected today to be SUCH a tipping point for so many of those idiots, though.

As for some of the other stuff MRT and others brought up:

A LOT of fans have no idea about the ring boy scandal, the actual events leading to Owen Hart's death, the actual findings in the Jimmy Snuka case, etc. I'm willing to cut some slack on those. The ring boy scandal got an alarmingly small amount of coverage in the grand scheme of things, limited almost entirely to NYC tabloids and syndicated tabloid TV, all during a brief window in 1992. If you didn't read a detailed review, you have no idea that Martha Hart's book is more than just a depressing read about their marriage. The Snuka thing is so cut and dry that it's almost hard to believe, but the key facts didn't come up in nearly enough of the 2013-on coverage. So I don't blame people for not knowing that stuff. It's doubling down after learning where they lose me.

(And that's even before we get into a zillion Benoit related things that are not on the surface of the case, like Fragile X, Dave Taylor, Dr. Cyril Wecht calling the coroner, running the tribute show after learning that police believed Chris was responsible on top of it being kind of obvious in the context of that weekend, etc.)

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