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Firos posted:Those hellbeds apparently run at $3000 so I think being able to spring that much for a doom cube makes being rich a sort of pre-requisite Nah, just 'comfortable'.  E: 1034 birth of Hassan-i Sabbah, a swell guy with some interesting ideas. EmptyVessel fucked around with this message at 22:58 on May 4, 2017 |
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Goons, join us for LOCAL ELECTION NIGHT SPECIAL Question Time in #ukgoons on synIRC.quote:David Dimbleby chairs topical debate from Wigan. On the panel are David Davis, Rebecca Long-Bailey, Paul Nuttall, Leanne Wood and the CEO of Siemens UK Juergen Maier.
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May 4, 2017 22:57
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sebzilla posted:Child Tax Credit drops by 41p per £1 of gross income over a limit according to a website I just found. By the time you've also lost a bit on Working Tax Credit (not sure on the rate) and paid taxes, maybe pension contributions, maybe student loan repayments, it's pretty easy to have a pay rise and actually not see much increase in disposable income, if any. Of course, eventually you hit a point where you're not getting the benefits at all and then it's all gravy but there's definitely a point (which I'm in right now) where a salary hike looks great but actually doesn't help all that much. My husband got a £3,000 pay rise and it ended up making a difference of about £5 a week by the time all the tax credits and everything changed. And his pay rise means that he's now earning too much for my second oldest to get EMA which would have been £30 a week term time for my kid. That's without student loans or anything but then I'm not sure where they would get factored in. It's fine, we're in a better position than lots of people and I'm not complaining in any way about it, just agreeing that payrises don't always make much of a difference.
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May 4, 2017 23:04
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Why have all the right wing royalist papers gone for a picture in which Phillip looks like an actual lich? https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/860252588478009346
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May 4, 2017 23:13
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The 12 page pullout is just that picture stretched over 12 pages. Page 2 is just the ear.
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May 4, 2017 23:14
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Steve2911 posted:Why have all the right wing royalist papers gone for a picture in which Phillip looks like an actual lich? The nation may salute him but I loving don't. Twat.
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May 4, 2017 23:17
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OwlFancier posted:Page 2 is just the ear.
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May 4, 2017 23:18
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It's very hard to find one of him where he doesn't tbf
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May 4, 2017 23:21
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Julio Cruz posted:The nation may salute him but I loving don't. Twat. Imagine being saluted by this loving nation.
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May 4, 2017 23:19
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I fuckikg. Love this
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May 4, 2017 23:22
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Steve2911 posted:Why have all the right wing royalist papers gone for a picture in which Phillip looks like an actual lich? He hosed kids with big jimmy
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May 4, 2017 23:26
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Question Time rocks this week, who's been stacking the audience with Corbyn fans?
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May 4, 2017 23:27
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jabby posted:Question Time rocks this week, who's been stacking the audience with Corbyn fans? Question time is good???
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May 4, 2017 23:48
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Paul Nuttall: "You can give me ten Jeremy Corbyn's over one Tony Blair anyday." Slightly unexpected.
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May 4, 2017 23:51
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Is Nuttall not down with the libertarian kipper bent?
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May 4, 2017 23:51
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spectralent posted:Question time is good??? It's actually extremely bad.
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May 4, 2017 23:56
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UKIPpers aren't libertarians though, they're like protectionist populist social conservative. Maybe Farage was a libertarian but their voters aren't. UKIP voters love the armed forces, the NHS, and the Queen, none of which are compatible with pure libertarianism. Everything (everything) UKIP do is to appeal to people that are scared "They" are going to take something away from them, it's not really about left or right economics.
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May 4, 2017 23:59
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Hoops posted:UKIPpers aren't libertarians though, they're like protectionist populist social conservative. Maybe Farage was a libertarian but their voters aren't. Everything (everything) UKIP do is to appeal to people that are scared "They" are going to take something away from them, it's not really about left or right economics.
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May 5, 2017 00:03
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jBrereton posted:It's both, same as FN etc. Nuttall seems to be moving closer to the Strasserite position of the trad nationalist parties, although he's still open to privatization of crucial public services so probably halfway between them and Tories.
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May 5, 2017 00:09
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Yeah but it's also a vehicle for the hard right, same as UKIP under farage was full of hosed off Labour voters. Party's trapped on the economy in a way that makes Labour or the Lib Dems look ideologically coherent.
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If you're in for self-flagellation, you can follow the Council election results here: https://twitter.com/britainelects
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May 5, 2017 00:25
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Wasn't expecting to see a labour gain there, but the amount of labour-tory flips already is going to drive me to drink if I'm not careful. I might just stick to campaigning and stop looking at round-by-round polling data. EDIT: God, looking at the polls spreadsheet the tories appear to be gaining equally from Labour, the Lib Dems, and Plaid. Who the gently caress is voting for these goddamn lunatics? spectralent fucked around with this message at 00:37 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 00:33
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"I've voted for some kind of progressive cause all my life but today I decided to give right-wing authoritarianism a crack" The depressing thing of course being that I'm joking but I can 100% see that with a "and look where that's got me" in the middle for a lot of left-behinds. spectralent fucked around with this message at 00:43 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 00:39
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spectralent posted:Wasn't expecting to see a labour gain there, but the amount of labour-tory flips already is going to drive me to drink if I'm not careful. I might just stick to campaigning and stop looking at round-by-round polling data. Old people aka the type of person most likely to a) vote in elections b)vote conservative c) vote in local elections with a general election 4 weeks away
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May 5, 2017 00:43
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This is bad for, everyone.
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May 5, 2017 00:46
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What you have to remember is that local elections have worse turnout generally and as that one lady implied people are getting bored of politics and voting because things seem like constant politics rather than being able to rock up once every give years and vote for the same team you always vote for. That's my stream of consciousness thoughts about the local elections. I really hope that Labour will be able to avoid infighting for the next 4 weeks if things go badly.
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Namtab posted:Old people aka the type of person most likely to a) vote in elections b)vote conservative c) vote in local elections with a general election 4 weeks away Yeah, you're probably right. This is big % gains with big turnout drops, so that makes a lot of sense. Everyone's stayed at home except the tories.
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In other news I thought Rebecca Long-Bailey did very well on Question Time tonight. She spoke with passion and attacked the Tories with every answer. I'd almost certainly vote for her in a future leadership election assuming Corbyn wasn't on the ballot. Have to say I haven't been as impressed by Angela Rayner when I've heard her speak, and the other 'left' candidates like Clive Lewis and Lisa Nandy seem to have had various falling-outs with the current leadership.
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May 5, 2017 00:54
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This is truly depressing.
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jabby posted:In other news I thought Rebecca Long-Bailey did very well on Question Time tonight. She spoke with passion and attacked the Tories with every answer. I'd almost certainly vote for her in a future leadership election assuming Corbyn wasn't on the ballot. Have to say I haven't been as impressed by Angela Rayner when I've heard her speak, and the other 'left' candidates like Clive Lewis and Lisa Nandy seem to have had various falling-outs with the current leadership. I think it's worthwhile giving them the benefit of the doubt, to be honest. Corbyn has been poo poo in some ways and there's reasonable things to fall out with him over. Fealty to socialism is much more important than fealty to the party leadership.
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God yeah. Corbyn's hardly the most socialist person ever. The important things are being anti-austerity and (by extension, if you will) pro-investment. Don't be fooled that just because Owen was shite anyone who stands against Corbyn must also be. Hell, gently caress it, if we're at a point where we've got multiple members of Labour's left standing in elections rather than getting a token pity spot, I'd say that's a pretty loving big win.
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OwlFancier posted:People have lost faith that liberalism works, so the Tories now practice economic liberalism while sporting a massive authoritarian boner on social issues and shouting up nationalism to disguise it. Our press spouts the same thing, the whole world is turning slowly, weightily towards a rejection of the liberal dream of everything being great as long as we deregulate everything and stop governing everything but the poor, who obviously can't be trusted to govern themselves. And it's rejecting it in the way that the powerful have seized on, which is to find someone else to blame for their failings.
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jBrereton posted:This is truly depressing. No I guess it's all the fault of jezza and nothing else, curse him for making old people tories
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jBrereton posted:This is truly depressing. Just wait til June
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Namtab posted:No I guess it's all the fault of jezza and nothing else, curse him for making old people tories
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jBrereton posted:*in incredibly nuanced voice* it is partly, in fact quite a lot, Jezza, but not 100% him. Owen Smith* is of course sweeping back to near 100% of the vote right now with his massive dick and incredible personal charisma. *I literally forgot his surname, what a character.
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spectralent posted:Owen Smith* is of course sweeping back to near 100% of the vote right now with his massive dick and incredible personal charisma.
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TomViolence posted:I think it's worthwhile giving them the benefit of the doubt, to be honest. Corbyn has been poo poo in some ways and there's reasonable things to fall out with him over. Fealty to socialism is much more important than fealty to the party leadership. There are definitely good reasons to fall out with Corbyn, but during a time when the leadership has been desperately struggling for supportive MPs I think you've got to have a very good reason to add to their problems. Nandy supported the coup against Corbyn, which killed her chances of getting my vote. Lewis I could understand leaving shadow cabinet over Europe but defying the whip over the snap election vote just seemed pointless. As far as his fealty to socialism goes I worry he is positioning himself as a 'unity' candidate who will give ground to the Blairites rather than continue Corbyn's legacy. The main problem with that is the Blairites will never be happy with only partial control of the party and will happily force him out at the first opportunity and replace him with someone they prefer.
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One of the nice things about impending disaster is I'm noticing a lot more centrist-types going "Okay so YES the policy is good, we can focus specifically on the jam man here, we all want* a decent minimum wage and well-funded public services and an end to cuts but we don't want that to come out of Jeremy's mouth". And, to be fair, I'm not sure I want stuff out of Jeremy's mouth either, because he's great at getting mad at people in debates but nobody watches those, so someone who can do the Jeremy-policy thing but with soundbites would be nice. *as of five minutes ago when we realised there was an election.
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