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030524_3
Mar 5, 2024
somethingawful, militantly anti-homeless in the year 2024

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Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR

The Oldest Man posted:

True right now, but once you've got realtime facial recognition running on every cop's body cam, which is coming, it'll be open season

Not quite the same thing, but it reminded me that someone just shared this in the [canada] thread:

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
&



One step closer to the evoker guns from psycho-pass that scan your likehood to commit a crime and then blow you up.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Mister Speaker posted:

Not quite the same thing, but it reminded me that someone just shared this in the [canada] thread:



rebranding a children's "alien scanner" app as a threat assessment tool for dumb cops

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Mister Speaker posted:

Not quite the same thing, but it reminded me that someone just shared this in the [canada] thread:



beep boop risk of failure to care for self detected, lethal force is now authorized

SgtMongoose
Feb 10, 2007

The Oldest Man posted:

beep boop risk of failure to care for self detected, lethal force is now authorized

In a first of its kind pilot program, Better Help and IBM have partnered with San Francisco police to utilize facial recognition software and real time AI analysis of legal and financial records to identify those in need of help and automatically enroll them in Better Help services and highlight those delinquent on their subscription appointments and fees for corrective action. Gov Newsome is hopeful the $5.7 billion, 10 year exclusive public private partnership will pay big dividends on the property crime and homelessness crises that have plagued his state and derailed his Presidential ambitions.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
oh great betterhelp lmao

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
sponsored non therapist approved homelessness arrest justification device. wildly unconstitutional but whos going to care theyre the lumpen

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
given how unaffordable it is to live there and how fast the market for full stack fart app developers is collapsing, i bet someone who worked on that app is going to have it turned on them

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

no meds = f4
it appears CA Prop 1 is passing. this gives me pause, since it was amended to include involuntary commitment(?)

i think this may be the beginning of earnest "forced removal" of "visible poverty" in urban centers. the endpoint of course being huge labor camps in the desert filled with an increasing number of economically abandoned, destitute americans, citizens and all.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Smythe posted:

it appears CA Prop 1 is passing. this gives me pause, since it was amended to include involuntary commitment(?)

i think this may be the beginning of earnest "forced removal" of "visible poverty" in urban centers. the endpoint of course being huge labor camps in the desert filled with an increasing number of economically abandoned, destitute americans, citizens and all.

yep, oregon just repealed its drug decriminalization law too. i imagine the LASD is just going to use the homeless for target practice rather than book them

JesusIsTehCool
Aug 26, 2002
Yea prop 1 is all about taking money away from local sources, tying the money to care courts, which can force people into involuntary treatment for those deemed mentally ill. I wouldn't call it the first step in the cities effort to reduce visible poverty that grew during Covid. I would say Care+ sweeps, 41.18 zones, and Inside Safe are all part of the effort to reduce visible poverty. It certainly is a step in that direction, very concerned what we will see if Martin v Boise gets overturned.

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

Al! posted:

checked my local flyover municipal budget and cops were <1% of the budget

how much of the cities budget is generated by fake traffic stops?

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

DC crime bill looking lit


Epitope
Nov 27, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Ok how about section 8. Would more of that help?

JesusIsTehCool
Aug 26, 2002
Section 8 isn't amazing in my opinion. It depends on landlords, who are trash and often discriminate against the poor. I have known several unhoused people who have had section 8 vouchers for over a year. They often can't pass the credit test that landlords require. Even if they are fortunate enough to get in to section 8 there are no wrap around services. So if you do have a disability, mental illness, addiction, or just unresolved trauma you don't have any help addressing them and that can often result in people landing back on the streets.

Section 8 is better than nothing, but your not going to market your way out of a problem created by the market. Thats why i am such a strong believer in public housing, its the only way i see to make housing a right.

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

JesusIsTehCool posted:

Section 8 isn't amazing in my opinion. It depends on landlords, who are trash and often discriminate against the poor. I have known several unhoused people who have had section 8 vouchers for over a year. They often can't pass the credit test that landlords require. Even if they are fortunate enough to get in to section 8 there are no wrap around services. So if you do have a disability, mental illness, addiction, or just unresolved trauma you don't have any help addressing them and that can often result in people landing back on the streets.

Section 8 is better than nothing, but your not going to market your way out of a problem created by the market. Thats why i am such a strong believer in public housing, its the only way i see to make housing a right.

Don’t forget that section 8 uses the mechanism that is the only way it’s possible to give services to people and there’s no other way to distribute services it takes public money and gives it to private entities (landlords) and assumes the problem is solved

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

people say that the right wing can't create but can only appropriate the culture and ideas of others. nonsense. all of the right's creative enegergies are just tied up in the important business of stealing from the commons and making life miserable for the poor and minorities

https://www.ijpr.org/poverty-and-ho...public-property

the "evil libs" of portland will take 5 years to catch up on this innovation in cruelty

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

The Voice of Labor posted:

people say that the right wing can't create but can only appropriate the culture and ideas of others. nonsense. all of the right's creative enegergies are just tied up in the important business of stealing from the commons and making life miserable for the poor and minorities

https://www.ijpr.org/poverty-and-ho...public-property

the "evil libs" of portland will take 5 years to catch up on this innovation in cruelty

Lmao they want them to reapply for permits every four months

Epitope
Nov 27, 2006

Grimey Drawer

HashtagGirlboss posted:

Lmao they want them to reapply for permits every four months

Cripes. Seems the reactionaries are on the March, retaking territory. Is there anything to do right now besides hold on to what you can? Wait for momentum to shift again? Or are there counterinnovations. Fairbanks has laws preventing government telling people they can't burn trash. Maybe there could be laws against restricting freaking helping people

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

the best non violent thing to do would be to appropriate air b'n'bs and empty commercial real estate and house everyone

031124_2
Mar 12, 2024
2024 budget update: the bourgeoisie still refuse to turn Social Security into Universal Basic Income

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4026915&pagenumber=2349#post538300674

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/us/politics/biden-budget-republicans-trump.html



the Administration's Solvency is its most important Issue

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

HashtagGirlboss posted:

Lmao they want them to reapply for permits every four months

the mayor vetoed the measure. not because it's, you know, blatant evil, but because it would require work to administer and because she knew it would get the city sued.


maybe, just maybe libs' laziness and love of rule mongering can be leveraged against them

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


e: nm

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

no meds = f4
cool news story i just saw on tv. the sewer urchins of van nuys lust for blood

was fun to see casa vega (world historical dark rear end mexican food dump in the valley) on tv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4gK-JKvXMc

story after that was about how the city councils request for more "inside safe" funding would cause a deficit. :discourse:

CLAW AND ORDER

032024_2
Mar 20, 2024


Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010



032024_2
Mar 20, 2024

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




the ny media is doing a big push against squatters now with a bunch of scare stories as some new law is on the table to make squatters rights only applicable to lapsed tenants and not just anybody in a house for 30 days with/without permission

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!
this lady was on the trillbilly's to talk about her article

https://newrepublic.com/article/181036/new-sundown-towns-grants-pass-v-johnson

its really good, also learned that kentucky passed a stand your ground law that allows you to blast a homeless person away

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

AnimeIsTrash posted:

this lady was on the trillbilly's to talk about her article

https://newrepublic.com/article/181036/new-sundown-towns-grants-pass-v-johnson

its really good, also learned that kentucky passed a stand your ground law that allows you to blast a homeless person away

quote:

Recent reports show unhoused people account for a disproportionate number of arrests, even in liberal strongholds: one in six in L.A., and one in two in Portland.

Surprised it’s that low. That’s all they do here

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Giving the game away here a bit

quote:

Like Walker, Mayor Bristol described low-barrier shelter capacity in expedient rather than humanitarian terms: It creates “a place where people can go that is not the parks, so that we can have clean, safe parks again.” In 2022, when the city received almost a million dollars from the state’s Department of Administrative Services, Bristol campaigned to open a sanctioned encampment in Grants Pass. She was impressed by Medford’s “clean and orderly” facility. Medford police even supported the place. She related the idea to a quote from Martin Luther King Jr.: “You don’t have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step.” But other officials bristled. Dwayne Yunker, a Republican real estate broker who serves on both City Council and the state legislature, joined the mission’s Bouteller in a conversation entitled “Low Barrier = Low Safety.” (Yunker has also suggested that the city privatize all its parks, so police will be free to remove people.) Fearful for their safety and their home values, locals resisted each site proposed. “There’s always a school or a day care or a playground,” Walker said. “It’s always near people.” They almost had a deal with one prospective landowner, who pulled out when the community intervened.

public facilities under American capitalism are publicly subsidized, value-added amenities for property owners. if a park can't serve that function because it's serving as an emergency shelter for homeless people instead, there are really only two options that work in our politics:
1. violence until the public facility once again rightly serves the interests of property owners.
2. eliminate the public facility.

Liberals would probably prefer 1, since they love public goods as long as they don't have to ever share them with the poor. Neoliberals and libertarians would probably prefer 2, for different reasons (libertarians because Government Bad, neoliberals because they're licking their chops at the idea of a public-private partnership where a holding company slurps up public dollars to operate privately-owned parks). I suspect we'll probably see a lot of liberal "successes" with their "homeless problem" after the SC ruling this year, lots of victory laps around "clean parks" after the homeless are brutalized out of them. But in the longer term, 2 is probably still going to be the trend because it simplifies enforcement and because number loves it.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

help I sold my parks to a saudi sovereign wealth fund and the lease fees just keep going up and the park is worse and worse

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

no meds = f4
dislike button 👎👎👎

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

bedpan posted:

help I sold my parks to a saudi sovereign wealth fund and the lease fees just keep going up and the park is worse and worse

Oh yeah I forgot to highlight a local example

quote:

The Friends of Waterfront Park has been heavily programming Pier 62, with activities like giant chess boards and mini soccer fields in place on most days, and fitness or dance classes and musical performances scheduled throughout the year. “Over a million people have come to Pier 62, and it has been a reminder of how parks can be transformative that they’re made for and they make for dynamic, democratic cities,” Shigaki said.
ah but what makes this park different?

quote:

Another sticking point has been the budget for operations, maintenance, and—especially—security. Friends of the Waterfront plans to supplement Seattle Police Department patrols and the city’s Law Enforcement Assisted Diversion program with its own version of the Downtown Seattle Association’s Downtown Ambassadors—essentially, private staffers who keep an eye on the park, offer information, and help people in crisis—but property owners want more assurances that the city will enforce the city’s anti-camping laws. Former mayor Charles Royer, who co-chaired the waterfront committee and supports the LID, says that property owners are worried that “the waterfront could open and the first tents could go up the next day.”

Seattle Office of the Waterfront director Marshall Foster says the city plans to keep the new park secure and inviting through a combination of daily maintenance by parks employees, year-round programming in partnership with the Friends, the ambassadors program, and police. “Our focus is primarily on trained ambassadors and outreach staff who will be backed up as needed by SPD,” Foster says. “This isn’t about prioritizing exclusions” from the park, he adds. However, Foster said he couldn’t confirm any details about the LID negotiations, including whether the city has committed to spending more money on security in the park.

Ivar’s CEO Bob Donegan, who served on the Central Waterfront Committee that came up with the original waterfront plan, says downtown property owners said that they “would not support the creation of this park if there is not enough budget to do four things: Program, landscape, maintain, and secure the park.” Although Donegan says that ultimately, “I think the security is going to be fine,” others involved in the negotiations say the issue remained a sticking point last week.

According to the operations plan Foster and Office of the Waterfront Tiffany Melake presented to the city council’s public assets committee last Wednesday, the Friends of the Waterfront—a nonprofit that works with the city on waterfront planning, funding, and programming—will be responsible for social services along the waterfront through a contract with the outreach nonprofit REACH, and will employ “park ambassadors” to respond to minor issues.

why a private 501(3)(c) being in charge and employing "park ambassadors" as private security with authority to ban people from the park and then call the cops on them for trespassing of course

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




is there a guess at how scotus is going to reason?
are they going hogwild to say that the abstract idea of jail and fines as punishment is not cruel and unusual so punishing people with jail and fines for anything made illegal is not cruel and unusual punishment or are they gonna make an argument more specific to why homelessness isnt an 8th amendment issue at all?

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Real hurthling! posted:

is there a guess at how scotus is going to reason?
are they going hogwild to say that the abstract idea of jail and fines as punishment is not cruel and unusual so punishing people with jail and fines for anything made illegal is not cruel and unusual punishment or are they gonna make an argument more specific to why homelessness isnt an 8th amendment issue at all?

If I had to guess they’ll probably land with some kind of cop-out split-the-baby type decision like the Biden admin asked for in its amicus brief - e.g. each individual case needs to be evaluated based on facts/circumstances whether that individual really had no alternative option, or if they just ‘chose’ to sleep in public and can therefor be fined/imprisoned

Obviously this is idiotic because it means that cops can roll through and bust heads and arrest whoever they want and any relief would be once the actual legal process got underway, which is to say, any relief would be meaningless

But it strikes me as the very clever legalistic solution

I guess they could just go all the way and say it’s not cruel to criminalize basic human needs, but my gut is they won’t go that far because they don’t need to in order to end up at effectively the same result

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

scotus will remove all restrictions on eminent domain which will allow the annexing of all parks where private prisons will be built

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