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Direwolf posted:So I did pretty poorly on one of my exams, and emailed my professor to ask for some feedback on what I did wrong and how I can improve - his response included the tidbit (paraphrasing)"If this is how you did on my exam, I question how well you do on any of your exams" "I fared much better on my other exams; the only variable was the quality of lecturing."
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I got my first (and only? can't remember) A+ from Douglas Ginsburg. Look at me now!
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I have literally never gotten one A in law school (because we're on the HP/P/LP system) (though even then my transcript is basically straight P's) (basically I never stood out in law school, not even in a bad way)
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Jun 7, 2011 03:06
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I got my one and only A (so far but I don't count on getting another one) because I was in a moot aka guaranteed A. Also, articling interviews are the worst.
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Jun 7, 2011 03:08
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This semester I got four B+'s. It didn't matter if I thought it was the best exam I ever took (secured transactions) or if I took it hungover (admin). Or if I studied the poo poo out of it or if I knew every answer in class (corps, evidence). At least it's easy to remember how well I did in any particular class. Goddamn.
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Jun 7, 2011 04:30
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CaptainScraps posted:"I fared much better on my other exams; the only variable was the quality of lecturing." He'll never be a reference anyhow.
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Jun 7, 2011 05:05
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The Warszawa posted:This sounds exactly like the crim prof I'm going to have this fall. Yeah, but aren't you at HYS? No one expects them to teach you guys anything else.
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Jun 7, 2011 05:29
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Direwolf posted:So I did pretty poorly on one of my exams, and emailed my professor to ask for some feedback on what I did wrong and how I can improve - his response included the tidbit (paraphrasing)"If this is how you did on my exam, I question how well you do on any of your exams" Send the whole email to ATL and include your professor's name. Unless you're not at a T14 (T30 if you're an optimist) in which case he's just doing you a favor.
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Jun 7, 2011 05:35
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prussian advisor posted:They don't really get any better than this one. Abugadu posted:Find the "Scotsman in Egypt" LP of Medieval II: Total War that Jerusalem did a few years ago. LP > lawtalk.
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Jun 7, 2011 12:06
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billion dollar bitch posted:This semester I got four B+'s. It didn't matter if I thought it was the best exam I ever took (secured transactions) or if I took it hungover (admin). Or if I studied the poo poo out of it or if I knew every answer in class (corps, evidence). At least it's easy to remember how well I did in any particular class. Goddamn. Yeah, when I realized this pattern for myself it was pretty much the end of my ability to study.
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Jun 7, 2011 14:16
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evilweasel posted:Yeah, when I realized this pattern for myself it was pretty much the end of my ability to study. I know a million other people have said this but it turned out no less true for me--as my time and effort invested in any particular class went down, my grades invariably increased. Law school is just ridiculous.
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Jun 7, 2011 14:54
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billion dollar bitch posted:This semester I got four B+'s. It didn't matter if I thought it was the best exam I ever took (secured transactions) or if I took it hungover (admin). Or if I studied the poo poo out of it or if I knew every answer in class (corps, evidence). At least it's easy to remember how well I did in any particular class. Goddamn. 
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Jun 7, 2011 15:53
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prussian advisor posted:I know a million other people have said this but it turned out no less true for me--as my time and effort invested in any particular class went down, my grades invariably increased. Law school is just ridiculous.
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Jun 7, 2011 15:55
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Any lawgoons licensed in Colorado and preferably near Boulder available for some IP/copyright work with a publisher? No idea what they're looking for specifically, the rate they want to pay, or for how long.
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Soothing Vapors posted:This is the same for me this semester, except replace "B+" with "B-" welcome to the catfood pit it's all tuna down here prussian advisor posted:I know a million other people have said this but it turned out no less true for me--as my time and effort invested in any particular class went down, my grades invariably increased. Law school is just ridiculous. my grades jumped a lot from my first year to my second year and it gets mentioned sometimes in interviews when the dudes are looking through transcripts. I've always been honest and said "well I basically stopped studying" hypocrite lecteur fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jun 7, 2011 |
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Jun 7, 2011 17:54
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hypocrite lecteur posted:welcome to the catfood pit loving fat cat lawyers
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hypocrite lecteur posted:
That is all kinds of awesome.
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MoFauxHawk posted:loving fat cat lawyers the only job that would keep me in the US at this point is "cat lawyer" a cat that is also a lawyer: best of both worlds
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Jun 7, 2011 19:32
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Adar posted:the only job that would keep me in the US at this point is "cat lawyer"
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Jun 7, 2011 19:48
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Roger_Mudd posted:We all know the job would be more like this. (Except for the photo of the family on that wall. You're gonna be pettin' cats, not starting a family!) (Dug from the archives, not mine)  G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jun 7, 2011 |
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Jun 7, 2011 20:22
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hypocrite lecteur posted:welcome to the catfood pit Sometimes the less you know of the details, the clearer is your analysis of the big picture issues. For professors that don't use rubrics (i.e., 2 pts for X issue, 1 pt for Y issue, 3 pts for Z issue), your test just reads better than the guy who went on a two-page foray into some random sub-issue in the context of the big issue. Professors are also lazy.
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Bathing Jesus posted:Sometimes the less you know of the details, the clearer is your analysis of the big picture issues. For professors that don't use rubrics (i.e., 2 pts for X issue, 1 pt for Y issue, 3 pts for Z issue), your test just reads better than the guy who went on a two-page foray into some random sub-issue in the context of the big issue. yup that's exactly it. know the one or two big cases and the cases that articulate or expand upon the big cases' tests, and then have all the little cases and policy poo poo in a concise outline or marked in your text so you can find it on the offchance you actually need it. next stop, bonertown
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Jun 7, 2011 21:13
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Any un- or minimally-employed Nevada lawgoons please PM me!! Thanks and god bless
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IrritationX posted:Any lawgoons licensed in Colorado and preferably near Boulder available for some IP/copyright work with a publisher? No idea what they're looking for specifically, the rate they want to pay, or for how long. PM me.
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IrritationX posted:Any lawgoons licensed in Colorado and preferably near Boulder available for some IP/copyright work with a publisher? No idea what they're looking for specifically, the rate they want to pay, or for how long. Let me hopefully be able to get back to you sometime in October...
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Jun 8, 2011 00:40
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What are some of your worst gunner stories?
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day after day for three years raising your hand to vomit irrelevant hypotheticals and the shove and push your way to the prof with all the enthusiasm of a runt piglet has for his mom's tit after class to continue doing so being an awful gunner isn't a "gimme some awful stories" thing. it's not about being exceptional. it's about obliviousness. people wishing you'd shut up for actual years without you ever getting it
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Jun 8, 2011 01:18
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Phil Moscowitz posted:PM me. Sent.
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hypocrite lecteur posted:day after day for three years raising your hand to vomit irrelevant hypotheticals and the shove and push your way to the prof with all the enthusiasm of a runt piglet has for his mom's tit after class to continue doing so It's about being so completely headstrong and face-first into the system that you buy into it so loving completely and desperately want to know more about what they're force-feeding you for three years. Or it's about showing people how smart you are.
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I think I've mentioned both of my gunner stories before, but most of my 1L classes were with a guy who insisted on arguing based on his notions of fairness. I mean, I hate to be another cog in the morally bankrupt system of whatever, but it's "law school" not "seems fair school." The other one was a guy who kept presenting hypotheticals to the point that the professor said "So what you want to know is: if the facts were different, and the law was different, would the result be different? Yes." Had multiple classes with him, too. Ugh.
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I had one who wasn't so much of a 'gunner' in that it wasn't like he was trying to show off, he just had incredibly bad ideas and wanted to share them. I think it was in Civil Procedure that he argued for the removal of lawyers from the legal process, making everything Judge Judy-style. He dropped out after 1L year to run a copy shop.
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I am for some reason totally hooked on this thread, and previous threads, even though I've never had the slightest interest in law, law school, or any of this stuff. Maybe I just like reading about other people's misery (sorry). Anyway, was talking to a very nice gal tonight who's going to law school in KC in the fall. Her reason for going? "Oh, I dunno, seems like an OK idea. I'm not really sure I want to do anything with law though. I figure if I make it through the first year I'll be OK." I didn't have the heart to dissuade her. Sorry thread, I let you down.
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Feisty-Cadaver posted:I am for some reason totally hooked on this thread, and previous threads, even though I've never had the slightest interest in law, law school, or any of this stuff. Maybe I just like reading about other people's misery (sorry). UMKC, huh? Hope she likes the metro area.
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The less studying -> better grades phenomenon is just the forced curve at work. If you've stopped studying in favor of planning your suicide, chances are so has everyone else in the class. Everyone wins!
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prussian advisor posted:I know a million other people have said this but it turned out no less true for me--as my time and effort invested in any particular class went down, my grades invariably increased. Law school is just ridiculous.
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Forever Zero posted:What are some of your worst gunner stories? Hanging out with gunners socially is ten times worse than any of the poo poo they pull in class. I'm talking the true believers now, not the grade-grubbing variety.
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Anthropolis posted:The less studying -> better grades phenomenon is just the forced curve at work. If you've stopped studying in favor of planning your suicide, chances are so has everyone else in the class. Everyone wins! This is true. I am one of the people that dropped down into the Gentleman C side of the curve my last semester. But I really didn't do poo poo after I learned I was getting a great non-legal job. I took my take home finals on a topless Miami beach while drinking mojitos so I'm sure I had a few Freudian slips in there. I also met my body building and drunk golfing goals during the semester. I hated paying tuition for 3L year but goddamn did I have some good times.
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Classes in which I "studied harder" for the exam, it tended not to matter grade-wise. Classes in which I paid more attention over the course of the semester, it showed every single time. All my As are in classes where I cared about the subject matter enough to show up and listen in every class. Favorite gunner story was a kid who, at the end of a crimpro lecture, raised his hand. Professor had been talking for a while, looks up at the clock, sees it's about 2 minutes til class ends. He says "OK, but you can only have 2 minutes." Kid gets very offended by this and says, loudly and in a very offended voice, "But you already had 10 minutes!" Hated both the professor and the kid. Still laugh when I think about that.
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Kalman posted:
Forcing class to run late with their bullshit questions and being oblivious to everyone hating their guts is probably the definitive gunner trait. I applaud your prof for at least attempting to nip it in the bud even if it failed. Also the worst in-class gunners seem like they're always poor or average students at best.
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Forever Zero posted:What are some of your worst gunner stories? I went to the dude's house for pizza the week before the exam to score brownie points. Only two other people came. I got really sick for about a week right afterwards. Got a P in the class (our equivalent to whatever your curve is - B, B+ whatever). So, me being a pissing in the wind gunner in one class *outside of the classroom* jeopardized my entire semester and made for a rough finals period overall. Grades are slowly trickling in and thus far it's the only class I didn't beat the curve. And how appropriate.
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