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landcollector posted:Here's a brief run down on a version I made some time ago: Not enough AP Gauss Rifles. Anyway, there will be an update tonite.
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Carbolic posted:Well... the 3055 Clan second-line pulse-boats (Peregrine, Viper, Goshawk, Rifleman IIC) spring to mind as examples of 'Mechs without any weaknesses (or at least, with trivial weaknesses compared to other 'Mechs). There's something note quite right when your "crappy" 'Mechs are actually much better than many of your elite front-line ones. A lot of the 3055 and 3058 machines are heavily-optimized. It was before they decided to start shooting for specific goals on a design rather than more general ones. The staff on TRO:3085, for instance, got told things like "make an 85-tonner that moves 3/5/5" or such things, rather than just "build a big assault that is good at ranged combat." A few machines after 3055 are without any real glaring weaknesses (the Hauptmann is a good example of not having any weaknesses without being really min-maxed) but it never really approaches the level of min-max that era had.
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Any mech with under 15 cERPPCs is sub-optimal, sorry  Armor is overrated. As is an engine and heatsinks.
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Gimmick Account posted:I'm guessing that's just about the most powerful design technically possible, in game terms. As long as you're fighting on an ice plane, sure. If we change the terrain to constant heavy forest (think rain forest) there's a plethora of more powerful mechs, even the lowly Hunchback IIC comes pretty close at half the weight. If you fight in a city two IS 45-tonners with ten medium lasers apiece and reasonable jump capacity would probably give a stiff fight. Or maybe you need to kill a bunch of Saladins, Savannah Masters or Elementals? In the ice planes I'm betting 4 or 5 Dasher H's give the lone Hellstar a run for it's money. Even a bunch of Locust M's would probably do if pilots weren't super skilled. While I agree that some 'mechs are bad, there is no obviously superior machine for all, or even most, conceivable situations. It also depends a lot on what you consider a fair fight. Balance by BV, BV2, tonnage, number of mechs or some other criteria? What's the terrain like? Duel or several mechs per side? Best of the best or ultra-rich, ultra-worthless 8/5 pilots? Minus or plus ten extra heat per turn? Does collateral damage count? Mechs only or mixed units? Own designs or TRO stuff? And so on and so on. For what's it worth, I think the single most unbalanced piece of equipment is Inner Sphere medium laser as long as you have double heat sinks. Ten medium lasers compared to to any other short range set that you can fit within the weight and heat limit is just superior. Three Clan SSRM-6 launchers come pretty close, but the drawbacks are pretty severe even if you give them a ton of ammo each. And finally if you want cheese, design mechs around "as many LRM 5 launchers as you can fit"-concept. Who needs SRMs for critseeking when you have 20 LRM launchers with no minimum range?
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KnoxZone posted:Any mech with under 15 cERPPCs is sub-optimal, sorry You know, if you take out most of the heatsinks and put the rest in the legs, you can still fire all your guns as long as you do it standing in hip deep water. And if you don't plan on moving you can shrink the engine, saving room for lots of armor. Basically the most efficient mech design is a stationary turret in the middle of a lake.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Not enough AP Gauss Rifles. Anyway, there will be an update tonite. Made a variant that removed two ER MLs for 2 AP Gauss Rifles and 1 ton of ammunition.
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Hob_Gadling posted:For what's it worth, I think the single most unbalanced piece of equipment is Inner Sphere medium laser as long as you have double heat sinks. Ten medium lasers compared to to any other short range set that you can fit within the weight and heat limit is just superior. Three Clan SSRM-6 launchers come pretty close, but the drawbacks are pretty severe even if you give them a ton of ammo each. I wouldn't say so, just because a 9-hex long range is insufficient for a modern battlefield. Sure, they're adequate for smaller machines who can hustle, but they really need to be running ER weapons just to be able to return fire for most of the other guy's medium range bracket on his Gauss/PPC machines. Gauss/ER PPC medium range starts at 8 hexes, so if he gets you into the 7-hex sweet spot where he's at short range and you're at long you are absolutely hosed. They're hardly a superweapon, not to mention your fire will scatter all over the other guy, requiring you to sandblast his entire machine.
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The actual Gausszilla page is interesting.quote:Bryan Nystul, then the BattleTech Line Developer for FASA, designed it for and used it in a "Trial of Grievance" issued by BattleTech fans to FASA over the BattleTech Cartoon series that was aired in 1996. Although the details of the event are sketchy, it is known that he defeated his opponent, Camille Klein. 
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Camille was and, last I checked, still is, loving batty by the way. You'd think someone from House Davion killed her mom or hosed her dog.
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Aug 2, 2011 01:26
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Good god, the Black Knight just refuses to get the gently caress up! ... Kidding, he rolled an 11.
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I was half expecting Camille to be a man's name in this case.
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Aug 2, 2011 01:32
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Don't worry, Gothsheep, you'll get to do something! Next turn anyway. That's how phases work I guess. I wouldn't have been surprised if the roll really had failed though.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Don't worry, Gothsheep, you'll get to do something! Next turn anyway. That's how phases work I guess. Well I woke up last turn, but I still needed to make a successful piloting check to stand up. And yeah, I fully expected to fail that piloting check, fall over and knock myself unconscious again.
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Defiance Industries posted:Camille was and, last I checked, still is, loving batty by the way. I remember Camille from the rec.games.mecha days. She certainly was quite the personality - I do give her some credit for being a Liao loyalist in the days of Max Liao. But yeah, she was crazy as poo poo.
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Crap. The Lynx and Exterminator are trying to occupy the same hex again. As amusing as an accidental DFA would be, I'm going to give them a little leeway. ... If it happens during the goons vs. goons mission, though, all bets will be off. Accidental DFAs for everyone!
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Aug 2, 2011 01:56
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Requesting the next mission be a goon vs goon mission, where every mech is equipped with Jump Jets. Bonus points if the map contains a Refinery like the one on Tharkhad.
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I bid three Firestarters and this Refinery complex.
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Aug 2, 2011 02:02
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The universe apparently just wants a friendly-fire DFA. Some dark Stackpolian force demands explosions. New orders are in, anyway.
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Aug 2, 2011 02:05
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Welp. That was statistically improbable.
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Aug 2, 2011 04:05
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I choose to take that to mean "Clanners starring in: Ow! My Balls!"
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PoptartsNinja posted:Welp. That was statistically improbable. It sounds like this will be a fun turn.
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Aug 2, 2011 04:09
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PoptartsNinja posted:Welp. That was statistically improbable. If they just performed another DFA, just scoot one to the side and make sure the fluff mocks Our Heroes well enough.
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Aug 2, 2011 04:10
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Defiance Industries posted:I choose to take that to mean "Clanners starring in: Ow! My Balls!" I choose to believe the exterminator headcaps the kraken, tac cockpit hit.
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AtomikKrab posted:I choose to believe the exterminator headcaps the kraken, tac cockpit hit.
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Aug 2, 2011 04:16
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AtomikKrab posted:tac cockpit hit. Nothing that ludicrously lucky, but we have seen a lot of one of those two things.
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Aug 2, 2011 04:17
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I get the feeling that I'm not going to like the results of this round. ... Oh well. It was fun while it lasted. 
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Did I get headcapped again?
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Even if you don't have ammo! All lasers! Ammo explosion anyway!
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If we win this can we give a new nickname and logo to whatever Division this is?
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Grand Fromage posted:Even if you don't have ammo! All lasers! Ammo explosion anyway! Aww, sweet! Laser light show and fireworks! All we need now is a badass rock band to perform in front of it all!
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Defiance Industries posted:If we win this can we give a new nickname and logo to whatever Division this is?
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Xmas Future posted:Only if it's "The Glue Factory". I was thinking "the Shuffling Scufflers" and then the Crab picture.
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Gothsheep posted:Did I get headcapped again? Yes.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Yes. Battletech, ladies and gentlemen.
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KnoxZone posted:Battletech, ladies and gentlemen. To quote the TV edit of Big Lebowski: THAT is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Oh god the criticals I choose to believe that this is us critting the Cla- hah! Nope. Couldn't do it. Couldn't keep a straight face.
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