Beeswax posted:

Intra-leftist bickering is the worst

Star posted:

Have to say I’m enjoying watching the implosion of Liberalerna.

BigglesSWE posted:

Beat me to it.

It's hilarious how both AKB and now Sabuni learns the hard way that selling out to Gruppenführer Åkesson will only benefit SD, never their own party.

Beeswax posted:

Surely Kristersson has headed the big SD-friendly realignment of M, and they seem to be doing.... okay?

Beeswax posted:

Surely Kristersson has headed the big SD-friendly realignment of M, and they seem to be doing.... okay?

lilljonas posted:

Yeah but many M voters hated immigrants just as much as SD voters did from the start, so...

BigglesSWE posted:

Those that didn’t left when AKB did her thing. Also, that was a while ago, and I feel SD hasn’t really held the grip on any and all discourse as they’ve had in previous years for awhile now. Might just be me tho.

Are there any demographic statistics for KD voters floating around? I feel those would mostly be old people but I may be wrong about that.

BigglesSWE posted:

I feel like Kristersson has been a bit more coy about it, and while I don’t doubt for a second he’d sell out anything (including his party) to get that juicy PM title (just like AKB), I think he’s managed to have an air of independence about him that somehow fools those M voters still queasy about SD. At this point I think they are few tho.

To me Kristersson and his whole image screams “borgerlig statsminister 2000”; like he was assembled in a factory to automatically please a significant portion of his party. And I think it works.

Essentially what I’m saying is that unless you’re the kooks in KD, the best way to gain from working with SD is to do it in all but official parlance.

lilljonas posted:

Yeah but many M voters hated immigrants just as much as SD voters did from the start, so...

quote:

Denmark has passed legislation allowing it to relocate asylum seekers to third countries outside the European Union while their cases are reviewed.

The project, proposed by the Social Democrat-led government, would seek partner countries to run camps and fund agencies along migration routes.

But the European Commission said it had concerns about the law, and a leading NGO said it was irresponsible.

Denmark has repeatedly tightened its immigration policies in recent years.

This follows a peak of more than 21,000 asylum seekers arriving in Denmark in 2015.

MPs voted for the bill by 70 votes to 24.

"If you apply for asylum in Denmark, you know that you will be sent back to a country outside Europe, and therefore we hope that people will stop seeking asylum in Denmark," said government spokesman Rasmus Stoklund, quoted by Reuters news agency.

The asylum cases would be reviewed in the third country and the applicant could potentially be given protection in that country.

But the European Commission was critical of the law.

"External processing of asylum claims raises fundamental questions about both the access to asylum procedures and effective access to protection," said spokesman Adalbert Jahnz, quoted by Reuters news agency.

The Danish Refugee Council (DRC), a leading NGO, said in a statement that MPs had "effectively voted in the blind", as the model they had backed did not yet exist.

"The idea to externalise the responsibility of processing asylum seekers' claims is both irresponsible and lacking in solidarity. We have repeatedly called on the Danish members of parliament to reject this bill," it said.

The council added that there was now a risk of countries hosting larger numbers of refugees would also opt out.

Denmark recently signed a migration deal with Rwanda leading to speculation that it intends to open a facility there.

Two weeks ago it became the first European country to revoke residence status for more than 200 Syrian refugees.

Danish authorities say parts of Syria are safe enough to return to but the move has sparked protests from activists and community groups.

Last year the UK considered building an asylum processing centre on Ascension Island, a remote territory in the Atlantic Ocean, but decided not to proceed.

Australia has also caused controversy in recent years with its use of camps for processing asylum seekers in Nauru and Papua New Guinea.

Rincewinds posted:

Mette Frederiksen keeps insisting socialism needs nationalism.

Denmark asylum: Law passed to allow offshore asylum centres

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57343572
Among other countries Denmark considers for the camps are Egypt and Etiopia, with their stellar human rights records.

You can also not actually seek asylum at the camps or embassies, you have to somehow get to Denmark, so they can send you to somewhere in Africa, at which point they will just refuse you anyhow.

Rincewinds posted:

BonHair posted:

Predictions if this becomes real: human rights violations will be abundant in the camps, and, somehow, the asylum seekers will break out and lose their asylum seeker status in a regular basis. Also it will not change much, except even more people will be living on the streets and avoiding any government contact.

Also lmao at 70 to 24 votes. Lot of people who didn't personally vote for human rights violations.

Star posted:

Do we know if V is for permanent revolution or is it more of a socialism in one country kind of party

Nenonen posted:

The thing that struck me about the Danish plan is that at some point there will be a white European from say Belarus or Russia, seeking asylum, and there will be a lot of hand wringing over do we really need to send them to Rwanda??

Nenonen posted:

Imagine if the Nazis had tried to get rid of Jews by sending them to some corner of Africa

A Buttery Pastry posted:

The Nazis (and apparently Poland before them) literally considered sending all the Jews to Madagascar.

KozmoNaut posted:

You have to factor in that DF and NB and their ilk do admire and look up to the conservative/authoritarian governments and politicians in countries like Hungary, Poland and Belarus.

So they would be a lot more accepting of conservative christian people from those countries, than they ever would be of any muslims, especially since Eastern Europeans are a source of cheap exploitable labor for rich right-wingers. Which also helps them undermine the trade unions.

McCloud posted:

It's totally cool that Socialdemokraterna are trying to implement new laws that would drastically raise rental costs and then having the audacity to tell tenants they should be afraid of Vänster

McCloud posted:

It's totally cool that Socialdemokraterna are trying to implement new laws that would drastically raise rental costs and then having the audacity to tell tenants they should be afraid of Vänster

watho posted:

there’s nothing i love more. has the party done anything worthwhile since palme got shot?

SplitSoul posted:

Løkke's new party is going to be named Moderaterne, 'cause when I think of Løkke's track record, "moderate" is surely the word that comes to mind.

Revelation 2-13 posted:

Incompetent Imbeciles is already the party-slogan for alternativet, so they had to go with something less accurate I think.

A Buttery Pastry posted:

The Nazis (and apparently Poland before them) literally considered sending all the Jews to Madagascar.

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

Isn't that kind of Radikale's deal? They're an extremely centrist party, but they get placed on the far left of the political axis solely because the axis is so strongly defined by racism that no amount of liberal policy is enough to reach the middle on its own.