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Grem posted:All this excitement I totally forgot that idiot got on a loving plane and thought he could fly to Oregon. He actually did fly to Oregon though! Just didn't get very far once he was there...
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WrenP-Complete posted:Aha! I see it better now. I was viewing it on my phone yesterday and I thought it was someone standing on top of a car. After living in Oregon for two years I didn't want to assume it wasn't someone on the car dressed normally for them. Don't gently caress with Bird people man.
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For fans of FBI negotiator Marc, I was looking for tapes/transcripts of his negotiating for a class I teach, and found this article about another negotiation: https://is.gd/X0Slcu No good news on tapes/transcripts but I'll keep you informed. Edit: Grammar. WrenP-Complete has issued a correction as of 19:21 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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it still makes me laugh that the insane man who wrote murder porn about the federal government and then ended up getting straight up loving destroyed by the feds
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Sep 30, 2016 18:55
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Eonwe posted:it still makes me laugh that the insane man who wrote murder porn about the federal government and then ended up getting straight up loving destroyed by the feds I thought it was local troopers that iced him.
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Eonwe posted:it still makes me laugh that the insane man who wrote murder porn about the federal government and then ended up getting straight up loving destroyed by the feds don't try to cross draw and hesitate on government goons who already have a bead on your center of mass, kids
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Mr. Nice! posted:I thought it was local troopers that iced him. yea, maybe, its still funny tho.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:03
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Eonwe posted:it still makes me laugh that the insane man who wrote murder porn about the federal government and then ended up getting straight up loving destroyed by the feds Not just that, but these delusional fuckwits are actually trying to make Lavoy "Suicide-By-Cop" Finicum out to be some sort of martyr.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Not just that, but these delusional fuckwits are actually trying to make Lavoy "Suicide-By-Cop" Finicum out to be some sort of martyr. A reminder that Lavoy Finicum and his wife exploited foster children to have free labor at their ranch. Fostering was their main source of income. http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...m-burns-oregon/ http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2016/01/19/oregon-occupier-loses-his-az-foster-kids
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WrenP-Complete posted:A reminder that Lavoy Finicum and his wife exploited foster children to have free labor at their ranch. Fostering was their main source of income. I was aware of that, but somehow missed that Finicum was located near Chino Valley, AZ. I lived a town or so over from there, and went to Chino Valley a few times over the couple of years I was there.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I was aware of that, but somehow missed that Finicum was located near Chino Valley, AZ. I lived a town or so over from there, and went to Chino Valley a few times over the couple of years I was there. I also missed that. Chino Valley is close to Prescott, right? Beautiful up there. WrenP-Complete has issued a correction as of 22:59 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Sep 30, 2016 22:52
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WrenP-Complete posted:I did too. Chino Valley is close to Prescott, right? Beautiful up there. Yeah, not far from there. Prescott, Prescott Valley, Chino Valley, and Dewey were getting referred to as the "quad-cities area" when I left.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I thought it was local troopers that iced him. No way it was totally French mercenaries. 
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Sep 30, 2016 23:16
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WrenP-Complete posted:A reminder that Lavoy Finicum and his wife exploited foster children to have free labor at their ranch. Fostering was their main source of income. There's no indication from those sources (or from others that I can recall) that anything about Finicum's fostering activities were inappropriate. The kids were ultimately removed because of his involvement with the occupation, not because of any other allegations of abuse. The fostering/working farm/main income scenario isn't particularly abnormal, or considered problematic. Foster programs are generally crappy and there are abuse problems, but I don't think this was one of those cases.
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Discendo Vox posted:There's no indication from those sources (or from others that I can recall) that anything about Finicum's fostering activities were inappropriate. The kids were ultimately removed because of his involvement with the occupation, not because of any other allegations of abuse. The fostering/working farm/main income scenario isn't particularly abnormal, or considered problematic. Foster programs are generally crappy and there are abuse problems, but I don't think this was one of those cases. I'm in a class where our instructor mentioned this, but didn't mention sources. I'll see what I can find.
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Sep 30, 2016 23:34
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WrenP-Complete posted:I'm in a class where our instructor mentioned this, but didn't mention sources. I'll see what I can find. Yeah, I might well be forgetting something.
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I don't think it's disputed that he mostly fostered teenage boys and used them as laborers on the ranch that barely broke even while taking in 6 figgies in government and charity money. While not necessarily illegal, does raise some red flags that someone is able to do something like that.
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Shakenbaker posted:He actually did fly to Oregon though! Just didn't get very far once he was there... Which is an indicator of how impossibly stupid of a decision that was. He might as well have just walked to the nearest police station and asked for cuffs to put on himself, really.
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Oct 1, 2016 00:06
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Mr. Nice! posted:I don't think it's disputed that he mostly fostered teenage boys and used them as laborers on the ranch that barely broke even while taking in 6 figgies in government and charity money. While not necessarily illegal, does raise some red flags that someone is able to do something like that. Again, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. The fostering was basically a full time job, and the compensation was part of that. That's not abnormal for people running foster homes, be they good or bad.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Which is an indicator of how impossibly stupid of a decision that was. He might as well have just walked to the nearest police station and asked for cuffs to put on himself, really. Yeah except that turning yourself in doesn’t bring additional charges and crossing state lines to take part in a criminal conspiracy does.
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Discendo Vox posted:Again, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. The fostering was basically a full time job, and the compensation was part of that. That's not abnormal for people running foster homes, be they good or bad. Counterpoint: he was making them live in chino valley.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Counterpoint: he was making them live in chino valley. I thought we agreed it's nice up there... Good pine trees?
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WrenP-Complete posted:I thought we agreed it's nice up there... Good pine trees? I lived up there. Chino Valley is kind of the inbred redneck cousin to the other towns.
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How nice can it be now that Finicum isn't there anymore  You can't possibly enjoy a pine tree when you know what has been robbed from us.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I lived up there. Chino Valley is kind of the inbred redneck cousin to the other towns. Mostly what I remember is that if camping there, you definitely need to be aware of bear safety.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I don't think it's disputed that he mostly fostered teenage boys and used them as laborers on the ranch that barely broke even while taking in 6 figgies in government and charity money. While not necessarily illegal, does raise some red flags that someone is able to do something like that. And then take part in an armed standoff against that government that pays him
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Mr. Nice! posted:I don't think it's disputed that he mostly fostered teenage boys and used them as laborers on the ranch that barely broke even while taking in 6 figgies in government and charity money. While not necessarily illegal, does raise some red flags that someone is able to do something like that. That isn't to say that the work would be entirely pleasant, at least not for someone who didn't grow up on a farm, but there's a structure and rhythm to farm life that I could see being quite beneficial to the right foster child, and frankly I could see that pairing up best with teenage boys. Obviously, it wouldn't be good for every foster child, but I'd bet there's a good amount that would really get more out of that kind of a life than even getting placed in a good home in the suburbs.
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Mors Rattus posted:Hessians.
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WrenP-Complete posted:Mostly what I remember is that if camping there, you definitely need to be aware of bear safety. I don't remember any bears in the area - I think I would've been more concerned about skunks than any other wildlife. I do miss being able to watch roadrunners just be generally badass more than any other outdoorsy thing from down there.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I don't remember any bears in the area - I think I would've been more concerned about skunks than any other wildlife. I do miss being able to watch roadrunners just be generally badass more than any other outdoorsy thing from down there. Yeah, I never saw a bear in my own campsite but I've watched them get into car windows on trailheads and seen the results of then tearing up other campers stuff. Roadrunners are hilarious. Also those geckos are cool and do a lot of push-ups. But the amount of pine resin I and my sister got on our flysheets was not a joke. I don't want to comment more on the foster exploitation/illegal action thing until I speak to my instructor. It's possible they were giving a long hypothetical and also possible they know about specific information and state laws that we don't know. I have a lot of respect and admiration for foster parents and don't want to impugn this family because I misunderstood something. Their political beliefs and speech are certainly enough to mock.
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Azathoth posted:It was those perfidious redcoats all along! I knew it! Hessians are Germans
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SocketWrench posted:Hessians are Germans
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If you have not been listening to the "this land is our land" Podcast then you should be.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:So are challenge coins the kind of semi-official thing where whenever there's an excuse to make one you do and design it however you want? Like how with specialized missions or rocket launches they always make a unique patch for everyone involved and they put crazy poo poo like dragons and robot-minotaurs and skeletons on them? If you'd like to see an example, I have one (I was never military, I was given this)  
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Azathoth posted:Who hired the Hessians and brought them over to America? We're through the looking glass here people. To fight rebels in the 1700's, sure, but not to shoot some tarp eccentric as he wild west quick draw failed on some LE officers. Also I find this rather interesting; "About 30,000 Germans served in the Americas, and, after the war ended in 1783, some 17,313 returned to their German homelands. Of the 12,526 who did not return, about 7,700 had died. Some 1,200 were killed in action, and 6,354 died from illness or accidents, mostly the former. Approximately 5,000 German troops settled in North America, either the United States or Canada."
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Gennifer Flowers posted:If you have not been listening to the "this land is our land" Podcast then you should be. Quoted for truth. While looking for video of the animatronic Finicum, I found a lot of YouTube footage purporting to show LE wrongdoing in his shooting. I'm totally naive to any of this material or this genre of material - what is going on in these clips? What are they trying to say and why are they wrong?
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WrenP-Complete posted:Quoted for truth. There are a number of claims. Factually, what happened was this: Lavoy's convoy (say that three times fast) was stopped by FBI agents and local cops in a roadblock. Lavoy tried to run the blockade, got run down, got out of the car, reached for a sidearm, hesitated, and just as he reached for it again was shot. Sovcit claims include all sorts of fun dumbass ideas, including that the FBI agents were shooting at the cars in the first place, causing Lavoy to feel the need to defend himself; that he totally wasn't reaching for a sidearm and totally hadn't been spending weeks talking about gunning down federal agents; that they actually shot him with a foam bullet causing him to reach down and look like he was going for a gun; et cetera. These are all bullshit.
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Thanks, Quorum, I didn't know all of that. There is another sort of claim about French legionaries? Or about the identity of who was shooting?
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WrenP-Complete posted:Thanks, Quorum, I didn't know all of that. There is another sort of claim about French legionaries? Or about the identity of who was shooting? I'm not going to research this, but I'm guessing that any "foreign fighters" claim is an attempt to square the circle of "the people are with us" and "ow the people are shooting at us." Real Americans are with us. These people are not with us. Therefore these people are not Real Americans.
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