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I mean, if the all-male panel basically just goes "there is inequality, it is a problem and we all have unconscious biases. So dudes, stop being creepy and stop insisting sexism isn't real. That's it, we're out." and hand off the mics, that would be something. Not perfect, but something.
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Rust Martialis posted:Did they fix the spelling, and did you know David Larsen back then Pretty sure I've smoked my bodyweight since then and I was only there for a couple months doing data entry, so I don't remember anybody and they weren't the most talkative bunch. If I needed help with something I had to call a woman in the UK. Think it was back in 2007, maybe? One of the years Roskilde was a constant mud pit.
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Dirk Pitt posted:So nothing is going to come from Vänster's threat, right? It seems a bit far fetched that they'd reach an agreement with SD, and I doubt any other party is willing to risk their hide here. The only other votes they could opt for are parties that are for the January Agreement.
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can someone explain as to why property owners are pro marknadshyror outside of “me want money”
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Jun 15, 2021 21:00
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Marknadshyror provides a much needed incentive to own rental properties which will mean more rental properties are built and so the housing crisis will be solved.
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Jun 15, 2021 21:05
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Feliday Melody posted:Marknadshyror provides a much needed incentive to own rental properties which will mean more rental properties are built and so the housing crisis will be solved. But like are they actually going to do that with the increased rents or just idk, give it to themselves? Like are they promising or are they “promising 😉”
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Jun 15, 2021 21:10
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Market rents are extremely expensive even for us non landed but still well paid gentry. 14k for an apartment in vassastan  , 11k in Vega  50 kvm
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Jun 15, 2021 21:13
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Dirk Pitt posted:Market rents are extremely expensive even for us non landed but still well paid gentry. 14k for an apartment in vassastan If you want to live in Vasastaden you get what you deserve.
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Personally I think more rental units will be built but the people living there will be doing that American thing of using 80% of your income on rent so you don't have to commute for 2 hours to your inner city job. Optimistically cheap land in rural areas can be sold off by the municipality so rental units can be built in areas where newly constructed apartments cant' be sold for the cost of construction. The cynical side of me predicts that this is just a slippery slope to "renovate an apartment and you can do marknadshyror" and then "oh you repainted the apartment? Marknadshyra"
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teen witch posted:If you want to live in Vasastaden you get what you deserve. I typically agree but you’re wrong here. It is already 14k, I’d hate to see what landlords think the market is. Dirk Pitt fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jun 15, 2021 |
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Jun 15, 2021 21:20
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I have friend who did some finance work with landlords around Vasastaden Göteborg. People were paying 200 thousand SEK in cash for a first hand contract for a small apartment there. And that was over 20 years ago.
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Jun 15, 2021 21:25
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 You just ordered 1000 litres of marknadshyror
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Feliday Melody posted:I have friend who did some finance work with landlords around Vasastaden Göteborg. I have an acquaintance who paid something like 100-120 SEK for a first-hand contact near Vanadislunden back in 2009. I guess she found a real deal.
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Building in Swedish cities is already tightly regulated though, the city has complete control over what gets built and where (plan- och bygglagen, detaljplanerat område). Exceptionally few new apartments will ever be built in the most attractive areas, because those are already built up. Also, rents for new construction are effectively almost unregulated already (presumtionshyra, it's supposed to be fixed term 15 years but it effectively gets set high and stays high). Marknadshyra as a policy is literally "more money to landlords; gently caress you". Housing is already a speculative asset and increasing the amount of money you can earn from it just makes it even more so. The goal of housing policy should be to de-commodify housing; housing should not be a financial asset, it should only be useful for living in.
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The marknadshyraproposal in the drafts is presumtionshyra with, 1. No end date, ever 2. Endless possibilities for adjustment with every new tenant 3. A collective bargaining ban TheFluff posted:Housing is already a speculative asset and increasing the amount of money you can earn from it just makes it even more so. The goal of housing policy should be to de-commodify housing; housing should not be a financial asset, it should only be useful for living in. Pretty much this. Housing can be confusing because it's really three assets at once. The land, the property and the monopoly right to use and/or rent. Lands speculative worth ties to the profitability of the others, they cannot be separated from one another. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Jun 16, 2021 |
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TheFluff posted:The goal of housing policy should be to de-commodify housing; housing should not be a financial asset, it should only be useful for living in. Why do you hate the landed gentry 
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TheFluff posted:Building in Swedish cities is already tightly regulated though, the city has complete control over what gets built and where (plan- och bygglagen, detaljplanerat område). Exceptionally few new apartments will ever be built in the most attractive areas, because those are already built up. Also, rents for new construction are effectively almost unregulated already (presumtionshyra, it's supposed to be fixed term 15 years but it effectively gets set high and stays high). Marknadshyra as a policy is literally "more money to landlords; gently caress you". 
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So this could lead to people being priced out of apartments, which will solve the apparently decades long housing crisis….somehow? And there’s no guarantee for new hyresrätter being built, it’s just a vague “well maybe they could.” But even then, it could be a situation with sure, new hyresrätter being built but even those new units could be out of financial reach…which ok technically solves the lack of housing, as they never said affordable housing. This just seems like accelerationism towards an even more insane housing crisis.
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increasing the profitability of developments to encourage new housing construction is one of the big "solutions" to the present housing shortage. it's nonsense, of course, but it takes more than two minutes to explain why, precisely, it's nonsense so it sticks around as a bugbear of the liberals
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V. Illych L. posted:increasing the profitability of developments to encourage new housing construction is one of the big "solutions" to the present housing shortage. it's nonsense, of course, but it takes more than two minutes to explain why, precisely, it's nonsense so it sticks around as a bugbear of the liberals Why should current tenants be in the line of fire for lack of housing? I feel insane reading about this because it’s clear as day an idea that seems to rely on goodwill and a hope and a dream in a situation where goodwill isn’t going to save us. Raising rents seems like it will make this worse. How is that difficult E: not disagreeing with you but I’m just floored at how boldface this is.
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Potrzebie posted:Why do you hate the landed gentry there are a few fideikommiss still in operation, the landed gentry is doing fine  (fideikommiss is a pretty wild concept that you really wouldn't expect to exist in alleged socialist Sweden, but there are a few still. a fideikommiss is a country estate owned by literal nobility that has a special case exception in the inheritance law so the entire thing is passed down undivided to the eldest son; sisters and younger brothers get jack poo poo. look it up, it's bizarre)
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Jorden de ärvde by Björn af Kleen is a fascinating book on that subject. Highly recommended.
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TheFluff posted:The goal of housing policy should be to de-commodify housing; housing should not be a financial asset, it should only be useful for living in. teen witch posted:So this could lead to people being priced out of apartments, which will solve the apparently decades long housing crisis….somehow? And there’s no guarantee for new hyresrätter being built, it’s just a vague “well maybe they could.” But even then, it could be a situation with sure, new hyresrätter being built but even those new units could be out of financial reach…which ok technically solves the lack of housing, as they never said affordable housing. This just seems like accelerationism towards an even more insane housing crisis. evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Jun 16, 2021 |
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teen witch posted:So this could lead to people being priced out of apartments, which will solve the apparently decades long housing crisis….somehow? And there’s no guarantee for new hyresrätter being built, it’s just a vague “well maybe they could.” But even then, it could be a situation with sure, new hyresrätter being built but even those new units could be out of financial reach…which ok technically solves the lack of housing, as they never said affordable housing. This just seems like accelerationism towards an even more insane housing crisis. In Oslo a pretty decent chunk (almost a third) of the people looking to buy homes are able to afford far more than the average home-buyer in the area, so the entire market is pivoting towards this group and this group only, some of which can also afford second homes. Housing is become a luxury commodity and I doubt very much that building more homes or other YIMBY initiatives will actually reduce prices as long as there's a decent pool of people willing and able to invest at the current prices.
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thotsky posted:In Oslo a pretty decent chunk (almost a third) of the people looking to buy homes are able to afford far more than the average home-buyer in the area, so the entire market is pivoting towards this group and this group only, some of which can also afford second homes. Housing is become a luxury commodity and I doubt very much that building more homes or other YIMBY initiatives will actually reduce prices as long as there's a decent pool of people willing and able to invest at the current prices.
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My friend moved out of her rental apartment in Frederiksberg (good place in Copenhagen) before covid, and as far as we can tell, the place is still empty because the invest firm wants to renovate the entire building. They're basically just waiting for everyone to move out before moving anyone in. Not only is this going to change good, affordable apartments into something only rich people can afford, it also directly contributes to the housing shortage by having the investment properties standing loving empty.
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Yeah, it's kind of hosed up an I honestly think (but have no faith in it actually happening) that there ought to be regulations resticting that. Though to be honest I've benefitted from the real estate market myself, in that I used to own an appartment in Bergen (well, with a loan), though I actually lived there. That appartment ended up appreciating alot in value by the time I moved from there, to the point that I now own, with almost no loans a decent-sized house and property about 30 minutes from Drammen (and within walking distance of where I work). City appartment prizes are completely out of whack, and Oslo obviously is worst of all.
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Hahah so what the gently caress just happened in Oslo? This just seems like a majorly stupid thing on all sides here. Why is it in Rødt's interest to vote against the red-green city government? https://www.nrk.no/osloogviken/byradet-i-oslo-gar-av-1.15539196
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A public works project (secondary source of drinking water) went 5 billion NOK over budget and Berg, who was responsible for the department in question, for whatever reason chose to not tell anyone about this for a long time for whatever reason.
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Randarkman posted:A public works project (secondary source of drinking water) went 5 billion NOK over budget and Berg, who was responsible for the department in question, for whatever reason chose to not tell anyone about this for a long time for whatever reason. True, but this is normally not enough to get a vote of no-confidence. People from Høyre and AP has had similar scandals and was only reprimanded. It was pretty clearly a big mistake by Berg, but not unprecidented and it is pretty clear that she gets an unprecedented amount of criticisms for most of her actions (for the usual reasons). The main winners from this is Høyre and FrP who got a "win" which their base will like, while I think Rødt made a mistake here. They already have to fight against the preception that they are mostly a protest party, the voters they want to gain will look at this and think "that could have been a national Red/green, what happens if they get that kind of power on a national scale", and might drift back to SV or AP as "safer" votes.
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Stalins Moustache posted:Hahah so what the gently caress just happened in Oslo? This just seems like a majorly stupid thing on all sides here. Why is it in Rødt's interest to vote against the red-green city government? https://www.nrk.no/osloogviken/byradet-i-oslo-gar-av-1.15539196 Rødt has all but been promised they will never have any place in a red-green coalition. They're also a party that still relies on single issues and appearing principled. So they don't really owe the red-green coalition anything. If they have the opportunity to score a hit on a single issue they should take it imo. The risk of a right wing city government is minimal. I would like to think they would do the same to AP, but I guess it's possible they would not. Scoring a hit against MDG should be a no-brainer though, they're class enemies and competitors for populist votes. thotsky fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jun 16, 2021 |
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Skyweir posted:True, but this is normally not enough to get a vote of no-confidence. People from Høyre and AP has had similar scandals and was only reprimanded. It was pretty clearly a big mistake by Berg, but not unprecidented and it is pretty clear that she gets an unprecedented amount of criticisms for most of her actions (for the usual reasons). nah, there's substance to the case for the no-confidence here - berg was being outright arrogant for someone in a minority position in a parliamentary system, and even in her own version of the story she basically completely dropped the ball on the matter for months. when stuff this big breaks in this way, heads do often roll (e.g. stortingsgarasjen). R's problem isn't being protest vote - they want to be a protest vote, their current popularity is in large part due to moxnes successfully positioning himself as a sort of tribune of the common man. R's problem here is that berg has a lot of personal sympathy among people who R need to vote for them, and is also very good at the media game. if she can spin this as R being mean to her, it's a pure win for her. meanwhile, R's in a sort of lose-lose position where they basically have to show they have teeth or lose credibility in their tribune styling and becoming more like the other parties. honestly berg couldn't have played this better if she'd tried; this is probably going to end with R bleeding vitally important educated urbanite votes and MDG shoring up support in oslo.
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Radikale are courting LA. With everything that's going on I'd almost forgot how important it is to keep cultivating your hate for them, thankfully they'll give you a little reminder every so often. https://nyheder.tv2.dk/politik/2021-06-16-sofie-carsten-nielsen-lufter-tanken-om-regeringssamarbejde-med-la
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One centre-left government period without representation and Radikale are thinking about switching sides. Big loving surpise. I am slightly puzzled that they're talking to LA instead of the conservatives, since LA are hovering around the threshold for representation in most polls.
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V going nuclear is going to have interesting effects regardless of outcome. Looking forward to Hot Takes from media and Twitter.
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It's deeply frustratring that the lesson NAV seemed to have learned is that they have to be more polite when they deny people emergency money.
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jeebus bob posted:One centre-left government period without representation and Radikale are thinking about switching sides. Big loving surpise.
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jeebus bob posted:centre-left government Uhhhhhhhhhhh
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KD back Vänster in the vote of no confidence :popcorn:  edit: I wonder what bastard of a government we wind up with in the event of a snap election
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Time for a lot of smug conservative politicians to clutch their pearls in live television harping about the importance of the democracy and that Löfven simply has to resign. (Followed by them forming a government that will gut any and all protections for the working class, not that Löfven wasn’t halfway there already). A government with M, KD, and SD is likely imo, probably L as well. Gonna be an absolute shitshow. I’m glad my fiancé will become a citizen before the year is out and arbitrary bs rules can be added to those laws. BigglesSWE fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Jun 17, 2021 |
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