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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/886983996340666368 https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/886984307318939651 https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/886984570024984576
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Jul 17, 2017 17:37
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Kibner posted:https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/886983996340666368 Does this mean his shooting % was that low personally, or that shots generated out of the entire pick and roll were that %? It's an important distinction.
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Jul 17, 2017 17:41
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Plays as ballhandler means what it says It makes sense that two midrange jumper guys would have low efficiency stats
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Jul 17, 2017 17:47
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Wiggins needs a revolution, a mental revolution, to become the three point shooting, slashing, super athletic defending guy he's supposed to be. Tommy Tbone will lock him in a closet and say PLAY LIKE JIAAAHHMAAY Or he's a Michael Ray Richardson or Mitchell Wiggins esque sack of wasted potential
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Jul 17, 2017 17:48
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Kibner posted:https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/886983996340666368 In fairness, both these guys had some pretty bad spacing around them making it tough to get a clean shot out of P&R. And a 7% spread between them and the #1 also seems pretty tight so I am not sure this is a big death knell or anything. Wiggins and Butler also get to the line a lot, so I am thinking if you looked at PPP it would be better. Rubio was a pretty good midrange guy and was deadly delivering the ball from a PnR, so I am not surprised the shots he got were pretty good.
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Jul 17, 2017 17:56
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Doesn't efg% already incorporate free throws
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Jul 17, 2017 18:00
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euphronius posted:Doesn't efg% already incorporate free throws TS% does (approximately), eFG% does not. eFG% is giving you the extra bonus for 3 pointers and that's it.
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Jul 17, 2017 18:10
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Lockback posted:In fairness, both these guys had some pretty bad spacing around them making it tough to get a clean shot out of P&R. And a 7% spread between them and the #1 also seems pretty tight so I am not sure this is a big death knell or anything. Wiggins and Butler also get to the line a lot, so I am thinking if you looked at PPP it would be better. If you convert it to ORtg, it's a decent difference. But, let's go with sorting by PPP since that is more indicative of scoring out of the PnR as a whole instead of as just a shooter. http://stats.nba.com/players/ball-handler/#!?CF=FGA*GE*400&sort=PPP&dir=1 Isaiah Thomas is at the top with 1.04 (94.1% percentile) with Jrue bringing up the rear at .81 (55.4%). Wiggins is second to last at .83 (59.9%) and Butler is 11th out of 16 at .91 (79.6%). Mike Conley falls to fourth at 1.01 (92.0%). It looks like Matt had some typos, too, unless Synergy reports differently than stats.nba.com. I'm getting 16 players with 400 or more shots. There were only like 5 with 500 shots. This wasn't me poo-poo'ing on the Wolves as much as me not knowing the relative efficiency of shots coming from the most frequent PnR ball-handlers. As far as Jrue goes, his TOV% is high and his FT frequency is low. Which has been a common complaint. He used to draw a lot more free throws as a Sixer but the rate has been falling consistently every year since the trade. I'm guessing he's not as willing to absorb contact as he was prior to his leg injury. e: note: the stats.nba.com link I used does not take passing into account Kibner fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Jul 17, 2017 18:14
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Please don't read too much into this, there are better ways of looking at PNR effectiveness. Besides the fact that turnovers and fouls drawn are not accounted for, there is the main point that PNRs are intended to create open looks for teammates, not necessarily to get the handler a good look.
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Jul 17, 2017 18:14
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Lockback posted:TS% does (approximately), eFG% does not. eFG% is giving you the extra bonus for 3 pointers and that's it. Yeah, I think Matt is looking specifically at shooting by ball-handlers in some for of analysis about various upcoming free agents. He's been on a kick for that last night and this morning. Cousins, Thomas, Jabari, and now Wiggins. e: ^ dokmo, yeah, I think he is just looking at this stuff for an article he's writing
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Jul 17, 2017 18:15
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Player tracking +\- https://twitter.com/NBAcouchside/status/886943350066118657 https://twitter.com/NBAcouchside/status/886943779160248320
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Jul 17, 2017 18:19
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From reddit, DSJ is pretty cool but needs to learn how to land better or his knee will turn to jelly https://streamable.com/c60vl https://streamable.com/s3waz https://streamable.com/dz0ky
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Jul 17, 2017 18:20
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straight up brolic posted:Player tracking +\- Those look like pretty accurate "values" compared to rpm
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Jul 17, 2017 18:23
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RaySmuckles posted:rockets seemed to have put together a really solid roster. It's possible. But the Spurs basically had no room to improve this offseason unless they had been able to both move Aldridge and land Chris Paul, either one of which would have been really hard. Next season is going to be better with Parker and (likely) Aldridge coming of the books. I think the Spurs in particular will match up pretty well against Houston in a 7-game series though because of their elite wing defense.
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Jul 17, 2017 18:25
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WhyteRyce posted:From reddit, DSJ is pretty cool but needs to learn how to land better or his knee will turn to jelly Vintage Derrick Rose landing skill there.
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Jul 17, 2017 18:27
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WhyteRyce posted:From reddit, DSJ is pretty cool but needs to learn how to land better or his knee will turn to jelly  well hopefully carlisle is smart enough to also see that
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Jul 17, 2017 18:30
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Shear Modulus posted:
IT looks like Denny Smith is going 100% Steve Francis Train that boy to land asap
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Jul 17, 2017 18:31
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WhyteRyce posted:From reddit, DSJ is pretty cool but needs to learn how to land better or his knee will turn to jelly I hope that man is doing a lot of yoga
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Jul 17, 2017 18:33
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Dejan Bimble posted:IT looks like Denny Smith is going 100% Steve Francis He already tore his ACL once, someone has to save him.
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Jul 17, 2017 18:33
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Kibner posted:https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/886983996340666368 I keep saying that Wiggins is Butler without the defense:  
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Jul 17, 2017 18:42
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RaySmuckles posted:rockets seemed to have put together a really solid roster. Would you say they've jumped the sharkbus?
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Jul 17, 2017 18:44
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WhyteRyce posted:From reddit, DSJ is pretty cool but needs to learn how to land better or his knee will turn to jelly Oh my goodness
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Jul 17, 2017 18:47
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WhyteRyce posted:From reddit, DSJ is pretty cool but needs to learn how to land better or his knee will turn to jelly I'm glad Landing Skills are becoming an important part of player evaluation and training, to the fans at least, no idea how much it's reflected in the team's training programs. Watching dudes spike the leg after a mean dunk is giving everyone Rose-Related PTSD. Players need to learn how to fall. Curry does a fantastic job tuck-rolling after every contested jumper so he can't be undercut as easily, kids should be watching that as much as his shooting form. Dejan Bimble posted:IT looks like Denny Smith is going 100% Steve Francis ya landing on your face is a good way to prevent dangerous leg injuries haha
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Jul 17, 2017 18:59
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Embiid tore his meniscus because he didn't land right It's a problem
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Jul 17, 2017 19:00
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I feel like this is a great time to post this video again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwocezhA6cI trigger warning at the very start for Bulls fans
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Jul 17, 2017 19:12
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WhyteRyce posted:From reddit, DSJ is pretty cool but needs to learn how to land better or his knee will turn to jelly these are painful to watch.
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Jul 17, 2017 19:20
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My friends, this thread's preferred stat, from what I gather, is win shares. I'm not trying to disagree but asking out of ignorance, why do you guys prefer WS over say PER or +/- or other metrics?
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Jul 17, 2017 19:27
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WhyteRyce posted:From reddit, DSJ is pretty cool but needs to learn how to land better or his knee will turn to jelly Good to know the best Mavs rookie in ages is a ticking time bomb of injury waiting to happen. 
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Jul 17, 2017 19:29
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Lockback posted:In fairness, both these guys had some pretty bad spacing around them making it tough to get a clean shot out of P&R. And a 7% spread between them and the #1 also seems pretty tight so I am not sure this is a big death knell or anything. Wiggins and Butler also get to the line a lot, so I am thinking if you looked at PPP it would be better. according to nba.com, rubio had a 43.7% efg off pnrs, he shot like rear end like yeah thats better than wiggins or butler did but both had a higher PPP than him, and of guys with 300 or more pnr possessions he had the worst turnover rate. man ricky rubio is bad. lmao i just saw, the year before ricky rubio had .69 ppp, an efg% of 36% and mein gott he still lead in turnover rate
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Jul 17, 2017 19:33
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zoux posted:My friends, this thread's preferred stat, from what I gather, is win shares. I'm not trying to disagree but asking out of ignorance, why do you guys prefer WS over say PER or +/- or other metrics? +/- doesn't isolate the guys from the rest of the team. PER doesn't measure defense at all except by counting rebounds and blocks (WS considers D rating)
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Jul 17, 2017 19:34
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I feel okay about the Spurs. Are they still gonna sign Hanga? I'd feel a lot better if they'd bring him in as some wing support. Basically if Danny Green has an elite 3 point shooting year, anything's on the table imho. icy hot icy hot.
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Jul 17, 2017 19:40
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zoux posted:My friends, this thread's preferred stat, from what I gather, is win shares. I'm not trying to disagree but asking out of ignorance, why do you guys prefer WS over say PER or +/- or other metrics? It's a good question, and it could generate some great in-depth answers, but I think it kinda comes down to an opinion on which metric appears to generate the least-flawed rankings of players. Trust in the specific stat shows up after it repeatedly proves credibly evaluative, or better yet predictive, of small things we're missing with our eye-tests. For example, Real Adjusted Plus Minus had Khris Middleton ranked as one of the best players in the league, which seemed kinda, "eh is he really?" but then the Bucks as a unit went on a huge winning tear after he returned from an injury. He was doing a ton for the team that was not immediately visible. Ideally you understand exactly what each one is measuring as well as what they fail to measure, and don't use any of them as be-all-end-all. But this can be difficult since some of the formulae for the advanced stats get monstrously extended.
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Jul 17, 2017 19:45
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Paul Zuvella posted:Does this mean his shooting % was that low personally, or that shots generated out of the entire pick and roll were that %? It's an important distinction. It means Mike Conley whips rear end
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Jul 17, 2017 19:45
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Punkin Spunkin posted:I feel okay about the Spurs. Are they still gonna sign Hanga? I'd feel a lot better if they'd bring him in as some wing support. They are not signing Hanga.
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Jul 17, 2017 19:46
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Punkin Spunkin posted:I feel okay about the Spurs. Are they still gonna sign Hanga? I'd feel a lot better if they'd bring him in as some wing support. A lot is hanging on how Lamarcus Aldridge performs, and if Tony Parker is dead or not (he's probably dead). My take is that they are ultimately the Spurs so they will be good, but worse than last year. It's incredibly difficult to win 60+ wins 3 years in the row, obviously an arbitrary standard, but they never did it under Duncan. I assume they will win 55ish games, the Rockets will jump them, and the Thunder will complete for the 3rd seed.
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Jul 17, 2017 19:48
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Yeah Hanga's not coming over this year. Assuming Manu and Pau come back I have the Spurs at 15 players on the roster. I think they did fine considering their options. Making the WCF again would be a victory itself. Next summer should be fun for them. On the other hand, assuming Paul George, Chris Paul, Westbrook and LeBron aren't coming to San Antonio it's hard to get too excited. Other than Cousins I can't think of another superstar who may be available. So it will be interesting to see how they find their second and third stars to pair with Kawhi.
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Jul 17, 2017 19:59
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I think the hope is that in 2018, cap realities are finally going to happen to GS, they are going to lose some key pieces and then it'll be possible to compete with a normal team again. The only WCF team that looks like they are making a serious attempt to compete with GS next season is Houston and well, ganbare to them. Obviously injuries and the Basketball Gods can change things, but all the Spurs writers I follow seem to think the team is making sure they are ready for a strong offseason next year.
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Jul 17, 2017 20:04
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Every day Nerlens Noel remains unsigned I get slightly more worried the Mavs will mess it up.
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Jul 17, 2017 20:08
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I'm guessing it's already messed up since they didn't get a deal done early.
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https://twitter.com/MarcelinoKHOU/status/887026487878176769 Doubt they'd move but…
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