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BigglesSWE posted:Was it a SVT reporter? I feel they sometimes have an obsession to be extra harsh against leftist politicans due to the whole "SVT is leftist propagande" thing that people keep harping on. In Denmark, this line of attack has been going on for at least 20-30 years, years and eventually, at least partially caused the recent dismantling of the public tv channel in Denmark. Accusing them of being left wing propaganda every time they had a reasonable, “let’s try and look at the facts” pierce of journalism on immigration, or similar subjects, where right wing thrives on people’s ignorance and fear. This is despite them being incredibly weak sauce on a bunch of things. Like when Pia claimed, in prime time on the most hard hitting tv news program in dk, that the UN had become was a Muslim conspiracy to overtake the vest, there was just *crickets* and “let’s move on to something else” from the so-called journalist.
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As someone who’s main source of news in Swedish is SVT.se, and also someone who usually votes V, I have to say, I don’t see any of this legendary pandering the left gets from them. I mean sure I can buy that a lot of SVT employees (especially those working in cultural sectors) veer left on the political scale, but the news reporting is a far cry from the “ostrich-head in the sand” about societal problems that SD and their ilk wants to make them out to be.
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Jun 21, 2021 05:20
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that sort of whining is a non-trivial part of the whole mt. pelerin society strategy to delegitimise social institutions that it's difficult to outright align with pecuniary interests - even when they've brought public broadcasters in line as in the UK it's still tactically useful for them to insist that public broadcasters and journalism as a profession is inherently slanted towards the left and that this must be corrected somehow. it's true that journalists in general are relatively left-leaning. it's true that editors in general are relatively right-leaning. asserting that this means that the news is going to be covered from a left-wing standpoint is conspiratorial nonsense; the news is covered according to what a market or pseudo-market system decides that the consumers are willing to pay for as value for their money. there are cases where the public broadcaster gets caught up in groupthink, but these are usually cases like fawning over US democratic presidents, which si hardly a hallmark of hard-left inclinations
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Jun 21, 2021 07:31
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Bered er på en lavin av ”Löfven faller tidigt i år” från twitterhögern.
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Jun 21, 2021 08:47
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Svettige svettsarn
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Jun 21, 2021 09:11
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Löfven should demand trial by combat.
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Jun 21, 2021 09:41
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Ebba är så otroligt bitter att hon inte blev född i USA, hon önskar verkligen att hon hade en republikansk griftmaskin att utnyttja just nu.
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Jun 21, 2021 10:02
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Whelp, I’m glad that this is the first time I really feel like I have a good grasp of Swedish politics.
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Jun 21, 2021 10:03
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”Det är en historisk dag”, forever and ever
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Jun 21, 2021 10:05
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I kind of enjoy swedish pols LARP:ing a crisis though
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Jun 21, 2021 10:08
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BigglesSWE posted:Ebba är så otroligt bitter att hon inte blev född i USA, hon önskar verkligen att hon hade en republikansk griftmaskin att utnyttja just nu. Hennes tal lät som en Googleöversättning av någon amerikansk högerpolitiker. "Hjärtland" lol
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Jun 21, 2021 10:14
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Fader Movitz posted:Hennes tal lät som en Googleöversättning av någon amerikansk högerpolitiker. "Hjärtland" lol It’s terrible and I wish she wouldn’t. It just makes the thinly veiled fashy rhetoric cringy. You have your own language, make up your own terminology. Anyway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi0uX2sZuFg
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Jun 21, 2021 10:17
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Så vad tror ni Kristersson erbjuder Lööf? Utförsäljning av Systembolaget?
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Jun 21, 2021 10:22
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I am quite happy that C's hubris of wanting to be part of the regering while at the same time refusing to acknowledge that they're only able to push their politics through with the passive acceptance of V finally bit them in the rear end. All of this could have been avoided if C had decided to face reality, rather than stay in their neoliberal fantasy world.
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Jun 21, 2021 10:33
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BigglesSWE posted:Så vad tror ni Kristersson erbjuder Lööf? Utförsäljning av Systembolaget? Privatisering av försvaret.
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Fader Movitz posted:Löfven should demand trial by combat. Him v Nooshi would be a site to behold.
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Jun 21, 2021 10:43
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V. Illych L. posted:
It's also true that most of the journalists that actually cover politics are right-leaning.
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Star posted:I am quite happy that C's hubris of wanting to be part of the regering while at the same time refusing to acknowledge that they're only able to push their politics through with the passive acceptance of V finally bit them in the rear end. All of this could have been avoided if C had decided to face reality, rather than stay in their neoliberal fantasy world. If only Ø had had the courage to do the same in instead of letting B pressure Thorning-Schmidt into <doing what she probably would've done anyway>
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Jun 21, 2021 10:47
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Löfven is really going to make us wait for the governement to "evaluate their options" insted of sacking up and stepping down. How does he imagine this could gain them an advantage? Never mind the fact that they must've gamed this out in advance and should already have a plan in place.
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Alhazred posted:It's also true that most of the journalists that actually cover politics are right-leaning. I mean there aren't more than a handful of genuine salaried political analysts while there are scores of opinion writers picked straight from right-wing youth-parties. jeebus bob posted:Löfven is really going to make us wait for the governement to "evaluate their options" insted of sacking up and stepping down. How does he imagine this could gain them an advantage? They very clearly haven't.
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Jun 21, 2021 11:01
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Lmao this owns. Gave up on swepol being interesting when Sjöstedt almost cried cause they weren't included in the new gov and still wouldn't do anything to assert themselves. This owns.
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Jun 21, 2021 11:05
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jeebus bob posted:Löfven is really going to make us wait for the governement to "evaluate their options" insted of sacking up and stepping down. How does he imagine this could gain them an advantage? There's a more than 0% chance that S, C, L and MP takes this opportunity to remake a similar deal as the previous one, but watered down, as none of them are really wishing for a new election this year. Then declare a new S government actively supported by C and MP, remove some of the harsher clauses of the January deal, including the free market rents (which most C voters don't want) and get passive support from V and L. This might actually be the plan S have had for a while, as the January deal is awful for them. The big question is if C are too confident and singleminded to allow it. OR, everyone will shout at each other over Summer and we'll get a snap election in Fall. We'll see.
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Jun 21, 2021 11:10
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Sabuni doing her damndest to pretend L would totally not be turbofucked in an extra election. Doubling down on her wanting a conservative government.
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Jun 21, 2021 11:18
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I don’t think L will be willing to support another year of a S government. That would be a flip flop of epic proportions and probably drain the party of their last 2% voters.
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Jun 21, 2021 11:27
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The biggest “gently caress you” Löfven could sent to Sabuni is to call an extra election immediately because while S would get a beating (most likely) L would be utterly thrown out (almost certainly).
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Jun 21, 2021 11:29
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Star posted:I don’t think L will be willing to support another year of a S government. That would be a flip flop of epic proportions and probably drain the party of their last 2% voters. But they probably want a snap election even less, they are currently just stuck between a rock and a hard place while wishing hard that C will see the light and support an M-KD-L-SD government. Miljöpartiet and Liberalerna was just completely neutered as political powers.
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Lööf seem to have tweeted that she’s still ok with Löfven and Januariavtalet. Nooshi says V won’t vote for a blue/brown government, no surprise and good for them. She’s essentially saying that by striking markmadshyrorna Stefan could be back in his seat. I guess it all depends on how hungry Lööf really is for that stupid reform that literally no one other than her wants.
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I really can’t believe that all of this hinges on something that is so boldface detrimental to the housing crisis and something so vastly loving unpopular and yet, here we are. Keep loving that chicken I guess.
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teen witch posted:I really can’t believe that all of this hinges on something that is so boldface detrimental to the housing crisis and something so vastly loving unpopular and yet, here we are. Keep loving that chicken I guess. My guess is that C and S kind of banked on voters not being very tuned in the politics in between election years, and that this issue would be dealt with with some angry huffing from. V at worst. At this point I’d give it up, since V has very successfully showcased just how detrimental the reform would be, to pretty much everyone who isn’t making a living out of squishing money out of people who are just trying to live indoors. I feel like doubling down on this now would be very bad press, but Lööf has tasted that sweet blood of svenska modellen, and she’s hungry for more.
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One should remember that C have no actual need to go along with S+MP+V, especially if C need to give up their political goals. A S+MP+V government is still dependent on C for any budget. Why they should give up the political goals to keep S in power is a good question to ask. Especially since they would be able to get these goals through by going to M+KD+SD. From a voter perspective, C is doing exactly what their voters want so they are not going to get hurt in an extra election.
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Cardiac posted:One should remember that C have no actual need to go along with S+MP+V, especially if C need to give up their political goals. A S+MP+V government is still dependent on C for any budget. One problem for C is that marknadshyror is not a popular policy, even among voters on the right. So this is clearly a top-down fight even within C that Lööf probably didn't want too much scrutiny into to begin with. That's a clear difference compared to LAS, which more right wing voters are negative towards. Selling their voters the idea that killing LAS is worth anything is easy for her. Selling the idea that hiking their rents up, especially when C has made so much inroads in Stockholm (where rents will easily go up 4 000- 5 000/month if deregulated) is harder.
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Star posted:I am quite happy that C's hubris of wanting to be part of the regering while at the same time refusing to acknowledge that they're only able to push their politics through with the passive acceptance of V finally bit them in the rear end. All of this could have been avoided if C had decided to face reality, rather than stay in their neoliberal fantasy world. Isn't this a win win for C though? Either push through reform they want, or they get to make a coalition with the blue-browns and push through reforms they want.
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McCloud posted:Isn't this a win win for C though? Either push through reform they want, or they get to make a coalition with the blue-browns and push through reforms they want. I am not sure that C can join a blue-brown coalition considering their extreme posturing against SD which has led to their gaining voters from L. But who knows, maybe it's just a question of getting enough concessions.
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Yeah I cannot see C doing a turnaround and collaborating with SD. Annie Lööf has built her entire persona on being the anti-SD liberal Messiah.
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I also think that Löfven has slightly underestimated his leverage over C because of that. It's not like C can easily join the brown-blue coalition without losing at least some face so the alternative to dealing with S and having some influence is to be isolated in "the middle" (even though C is definitely something different than in the middle).
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C and V are probably ultimately fiiine with a snap election so there is no way for Löfven to win that particular chicken race either.
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lilljonas posted:One problem for C is that marknadshyror is not a popular policy, even among voters on the right. So this is clearly a top-down fight even within C that Lööf probably didn't want too much scrutiny into to begin with. That's a clear difference compared to LAS, which more right wing voters are negative towards. Selling their voters the idea that killing LAS is worth anything is easy for her. Selling the idea that hiking their rents up, especially when C has made so much inroads in Stockholm (where rents will easily go up 4 000- 5 000/month if deregulated) is harder. Well, today’s event wasn’t really about marknadshyror anyways. Sjöstedt would have folded during the weekend, so kudos to V for going the whole way.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:C and V are probably ultimately fiiine with a snap election so there is no way for Löfven to win that particular chicken race either. MP and L are the real worries. I expect SD/M/KD to be at about the same levels they were last election.
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V. Illych L. posted:it's true that journalists in general are relatively left-leaning.
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 In short: While some have complained about response rates and sample sizes, there is a stable over-representations of MP (greens) and V (left) among Swedish journalists, and an under-representation of M/SD. https://research.chalmers.se/publication/518198/file/518198_Fulltext.pdf Stats for Norway:  https://kyber.blob.core.windows.net/nmd/2978/medievaner-alle-grupper_rapport_2020.pdf Beeswax fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Jun 21, 2021 |
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