Grand Theft Autobot posted:

My wife teaches elementary school, and even her kids could tell you why a state is preferable to a non-state, without being "indoctrinated."

She asks them, "Can you think of some things that would be different if we didn't have a government?" And kids always write stuff like "Bad people wouldn't get in trouble," and "Nobody would be able to solve their problems except by fighting."

And they're right. Enough people would get sick of the whole "no access to justice" thing and just start capping people when they had problems.

GunnerJ posted:

Another kooky part of it is the idea that your wife is some underling brainwashing kids into loyalty to her paymaster, that this is her angle and indeed the only possible angle for a State employee, rather than just being "a normal person." Like, it isn't because public school teachers are employees of the government that they'd teach kids anything about the role of the government.

paragon1 posted:

That's because immature people assume everyone else is really like they themselves are on the inside, so libertarians assume everyone else is a craven amoral fucktard loyal only to their own material enrichment.

HP Artsandcrafts posted:

And having no access to justice/every day violence is probably the biggest cause of poverty in the developing world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofsncCF9O_U

GunnerJ posted:

Uh, what.

Cool Bear posted:

When a country fails to tie their currency to the gold standard, and they pursue the path of a "fiat currency," they will inflate the value of all of the commodities which ever use their currency.

It has been my experience that when the government inflates our currency in order to "create jobs" they have made the value of labor more expensive for the company that I work for and for whom I am like a boss.


Surely you remember Weimar Germany and the great superpower country Zimbabwe. They had hyperinflation. So if you think hyperinflation is ok, like all INFLATIONISTS then perhaps you should think twice.

Caros posted:

Countries don't undergo hyperinflation without severe structural problems. Hyperinflation is a symptom of a failing economy, not a cause, otherwise you'd see hyperinflation running rampant throughout the world in the decades since the switch to fiat currency, which really hasn't happened.

Cool Bear posted:

America has over one Quadrillion debt. Sure, liberals will tell you that 75% of that "debt" has been fraudulently accounted for when it is actually domestic social spending on future Social Security and Treasury Bond payments,

but listen, One Quadrillion Zillion Dollars of "national debt"

You and your great grand children would require a googleplex years to pay off such a debt.

If we had a free market company do the government instead, they wouldn't a bazillion million debt. That's a fact. No free market has a sextillion dollar debt over the next novemdecillion years like a fiat

Cool Bear posted:

If we had a free market company do the government instead, they wouldn't a bazillion million debt. That's a fact.

Caros posted:

Friend Ben?

Cool Bear posted:

Socialists are so naive that they dont realize that non white races are actually inferior.

Socialists are protected in their little bubble where they never want to hate anyone, and they never accept the fact that there is a statistical correlation between race and poverty.

Cool Bear posted:

I came here to viciously insult and belittle libertarians because the thread title had the word in it there, but i have made a mistake sorry. carry on without me

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

Wait was that poo poo satire

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

Wait was that poo poo satire

SedanChair posted:

Your sword has dulled without the whetstone of jrod.

Cool Bear posted:

I came here to viciously insult and belittle libertarians because the thread title had the word in it there, but i have made a mistake sorry. carry on without me

SedanChair posted:

Your sword has dulled without the whetstone of jrod.

Your Dunkle Sans posted:

I'm pretty sure Cool Bear is an alcoholic poster who suddenly goes on strange posting rants like these every so often (especially on DnD). It's sort of his modus operandi.

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

Wait was that poo poo satire

Cool Bear posted:

My company used to be able to hire really great amazing human beings for the past 5 years.

Now, with Obama's economy, the same people who, in 2009, would be satisfied with being at my company's entry level, 22 year old-person job now feel ENTITLED to better jobs. We might have to think about hiring temps because we can't hire them as fast anymore.

My company is one of many examples of a great thing which the government did not create. My previous owning stockholders, all of which have since sold their stock to different stockholders, including the founder, these great amazing heroes created the company that I love to work for.

This company that I work for, and for whom I perform math and make decisions, we must LAMENT the fact that in this year and the previous year of 2015, we have had unusual difficulty OBTAINING employees and we have had to make decisions because of this difficulty.

I benefit from the economy being bad. For me to hope that the economy does well, I will sacrifice. ... not money, I won't sacrifice money, I will just sacrifice my feelings, like it's sad for me to not be able to hire people as easily. So I should be repaid for this injustice with a tax break.

Kurt Loder posted:

"Some 47 million people are uninsured (although many are only temporarily so, being either in-between jobs or young enough not to feel a pressing need to buy health insurance). There are a number of proposals as to what might be done to correct this situation. Moore has no use for any of them, save one."

Kurt Loder posted:

"In the case of Canada — which Moore, like many other political activists, holds up as a utopian ideal of benevolent health-care regulation — a very different picture is conveyed by a short 2005 documentary called “Dead Meat,” by Stuart Browning and Blaine Greenberg. These two filmmakers talked to a number of Canadians of a kind that Moore’s movie would have you believe don’t exist"

Kurt Loder posted:

"And Dr. Brian Day, now the president of the Canadian Medical Association, muses about the bizarre distortions created by a law that prohibits Canadians from paying for even urgently-needed medical treatments, or from obtaining private health insurance. “It’s legal to buy health insurance for your pets,” Day says, “but illegal to buy health insurance for yourself.” (Even more pointedly, Day was quoted in the Wall Street Journal this week as saying, “This is a country in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week and in which humans can wait two to three years.”)"

Kurt Loder posted:

"What’s the problem with government health systems? Moore’s movie doesn’t ask that question, although it does unintentionally provide an answer. When governments attempt to regulate the balance between a limited supply of health care and an unlimited demand for it they’re inevitably forced to ration treatment."

Kurt Loder posted:

Writing in the Chicago Tribune this week, Helen Evans, a 20-year veteran of the country’s National Health Service and now the director of a London-based group called Nurses for Reform, said that nearly 1 million Britons are currently on waiting lists for medical care — and another 200,000 are waiting to get on waiting lists. Evans also says the NHS cancels about 100,000 operations each year because of shortages of various sorts.

Kurt Loder posted:

However, there’s never a moment when we doubt that he’s also using these people as props in his film, and as talking points in his agenda.

Kurt Loder posted:

What Moore doesn’t mention is the flourishing Cuban industry of “health tourism” — a system in which foreigners (including self-admitted multimillionaire film directors and, of course, government bigwigs) who are willing to pay cash for anything from brain-surgery to dental work can purchase a level of treatment that’s unavailable to the majority of Cubans with no hard currency at their disposal.

Pope Guilty posted:

That is the most obvious satire.

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

Tbh when I first read through this thread I was pretty sure that Jrod was satire

Frederick Douglass posted:

Experience demonstrates that there may be a wages of slavery only a little less galling and crushing in its effects than chattel slavery, and that this slavery of wages must go down with the other.
...
Let us look candidly at the matter. While we see and hear that the South is more prosperous than it ever was before and rapidly recovering from the waste of war, while we read that it raises more cotton, sugar, rice, tobacco, corn, and other valuable products than it ever produced before, how happens it, we sternly ask, that the houses of its laborers are miserable huts, that their clothes are rags, and their food the coarsest and scantiest ? How happens it that the landowner is becoming richer and the laborer poorer ?

The implication is irresistible that where the landlord is prosperous the laborer ought to share his prosperity, and whenever and wherever we find this is not the case there is manifestly wrong somewhere.

This sharp contrast of wealth and poverty, as every thoughtful man knows, can exist only in one way, and from one cause, and that is by one getting more than its proper share of the reward of industry, and the other side getting less, and that in some way labor has been defrauded or otherwise denied of its due proportion, and we think the facts, as well as this philosophy, will support this view in the present case, and do so conclusively. We utterly deny that the colored people of the South are too lazy to work, or that they are indifferent to their physical wants ; as already said, they are the workers of that section.

The trouble is not that the colored people of the South are indolent, but that no matter how' hard or how persistent may be their industry, they get barely enough for their labor to support life at the very low point at which we find them. We therefore throw off the burden of disgrace and reproach from the laborer where Mr. Calhoun and others of his class would place it, and put it on the land-owner where it belongs. It is the old case over again. The black man does the work and the white man gets the money.

It may be said after all the colored people have themselves to blame for this state of things, because they have not intelligently taken the matter into their own hands and provided a remedy for the evil they suffer.

Some blame may attach at this point. But those who reproach us thus should remember that it is hard for labor, however fortunately and favorably surrounded, to cope with the tremendous power of capital in any contest for higher wages or improved condition. A strike for higher wages is seldom successful, and is often injurious to the strikers ; the losses sustained are seldom compensated by the concessions gained. A case in point is the recent strike of the telegraph operators a more intelligent class can nowhere be found. It was a contest of brains against money, and the want of
money compelled intelligence to surrender to wealth.

An empty sack is not easily made to stand upright. The man who has it in his power to say to a man, you must work the land for me for such wages as I choose to give, has a power of slavery over him as real, if not as complete, as he who compels toil under the lash. All that a man hath will he give for his life.

SedanChair posted:

Who What Now posted:

No, see, if you're a libertarian you should really look into this guy so he can help you not become such a massive piece of poo poo. Google's doing their part to try and rehabilitate Libertarians.

Jerry Manderbilt posted: