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Playing 3R. Looking at hanging out with Track Guy. Got "I don't think our bond will grow any stronger even if I spend more time with Miyamoto..." Does that mean social links are timelocked, or is it just saying I don't have enough points to get the next level right now? Don't remember seeing that kind of popup in 4/5.
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Your Uncle Dracula posted:Playing 3R. Looking at hanging out with Track Guy. Got "I don't think our bond will grow any stronger even if I spend more time with Miyamoto..." Does that mean social links are timelocked, or is it just saying I don't have enough points to get the next level right now? Don't remember seeing that kind of popup in 4/5. the latter. most links require a compatible persona and all correct answers to guarantee a level up after one hangout, and there are a bunch that'll require multiple anyway because there aren't any extra points to be gained for their story events
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May 12, 2024 03:21
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man we need to send some of the money we collect in the collective unconciousness directly to a fund for Yusuke
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May 12, 2024 14:39
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The Track guy is confusing. Feeding somebody's ego to rank up is one thing. Actively covering for a dude who's getting himself injured is quite another.
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May 12, 2024 15:12
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On the one hand, you don't find out how serious it is until the same event where he tells you why he's doing it On the other, you still end up hiding it for a while before that happens, and he ultimately ends up deciding to go into recovery anyway, so those lies end up being for nothing
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May 12, 2024 15:30
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Makoto is an enabler at heart, he is canonically friends with Kenji.
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May 12, 2024 15:42
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Jon Irenicus posted:man we need to send some of the money we collect in the collective unconciousness directly to a fund for Yusuke Right? One of my favorite gift reactions from any confidant is when you give him food and he joyously says something along the lines of, "I can survive for another three days!"
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May 12, 2024 17:03
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:but it doesn't work because Royal adds a reference to the grappling hook in Kasumi's confidant, and none of the cops ever saw Joker use it. Couldn't they have just confiscated it? Inspector Gesicht posted:The Track guy is confusing. Feeding somebody's ego to rank up is one thing. Actively covering for a dude who's getting himself injured is quite another. The most generous interpretation I can think of is that Makoto knows he's going to train no matter what and respects that track guy is aware of the potential severity of the injury - which IIRC does end up being the case). Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 17:34 on May 12, 2024 |
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May 12, 2024 17:31
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Oxxidation posted:the latter. most links require a compatible persona and all correct answers to guarantee a level up after one hangout, and there are a bunch that'll require multiple anyway because there aren't any extra points to be gained for their story events Still feels really bad to have to grind to get those rank ups. The old couple, gourmet king, team manager, all playing hard to get. Also, feels cruel that Maya does that poo poo too, since as far as I can tell, you only get one chance per week on Sunday for that social link.
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May 12, 2024 17:44
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Chump Farts posted:Still feels really bad to have to grind to get those rank ups. The old couple, gourmet king, team manager, all playing hard to get. the trick is to only do school links when school is in. hermit couple and gourmet king are available on off days so you can keep them in reserve for the lengthy vacations yuko's a tough nut to crack though
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May 12, 2024 17:45
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The thing with Persona 3 is that they wrote the S links not to be something you do optimally. There was originally no Telos to aim for and getting all the social links wasn't an intended design element with a reward. You could mess up or reverse or upset people and that was considered a valid outcome. You were expected to treat it more like a dating sim where you picked the choices that felt right to you instead of picking the Optimal Choices In Every Situation You Must Get Max Points With Everyone. The game's dialogue even backs this up, and even once they added Telos in Fes Igor's dialogue was more like "Boy, you sure change yourself for everyone you meet, huh?" rather than it being presented as a natural thing. Picking what the character wants to hear is obviously going to be the thing that gets you the most points because you're telling them what they want to hear, but in theory what you should be doing is not consulting a guide or savescum to get the correct answers but pick the answers that feel right to you and if it means you don't befriend a dude then maybe you didn't actually want to befriend that guy anyway, there are tons of social links and each one gives you poo poo powerful enough to finish the game. Obviously as the game has progressed and gotten all the rough edges sanded off it becomes more and more viable to just get the Correct Answer To Everything, which is more player friendly but doesn't mix well with the original intended writing. (This is also part of why the P3P and P3R social links flow better because they're more designed around encouraging a friend rather than telling them what they want to hear.) It's a case of an understandable design ("Players will pick what they want to say to the character") butting up against reality ("Players will pick the absolutely optimal choice in every single situation regardless of the context or how it makes their character come across.") ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:03 on May 12, 2024 |
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May 12, 2024 17:59
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Majorian posted:Right? One of my favorite gift reactions from any confidant is when you give him food and he joyously says something along the lines of, "I can survive for another three days!" I feel like it was mostly Yusuke spending all his extra money on artbooks and art supplies than food with us realizing his usual priorities are a bit messed up beyond the fact that Joker could fund the entire PT as a millionaire 
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May 12, 2024 18:27
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I am pretty sure you could give Yusuke any amount of money and he'd spend it on like a pretty rock and not even think about it. You have to give him food for him to eat food.
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May 12, 2024 18:45
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Yeah, Yusuke is the only Phantom Thief with a steady income; he gets a scholarship stipend, which is supplemented by the occasional prize money. He just spends all of both of those on art supplies and spontaneous souvenirs.
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May 12, 2024 19:02
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this wall art from persona 1 would make a sick "big dogs" tshirt
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May 12, 2024 20:27
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ImpAtom posted:I am pretty sure you could give Yusuke any amount of money and he'd spend it on like a pretty rock and not even think about it. You have to give him food for him to eat food. lol fair enough, but still, my poor boy is starving! 
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May 12, 2024 21:13
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ImpAtom posted:I am pretty sure you could give Yusuke any amount of money and he'd spend it on like a pretty rock and not even think about it. Unlike P5 Protag, who is very good with money and does not spend it on any pretty rocks whatsoever.
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May 13, 2024 05:48
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P5 Protag spends most of the Phantom Thieves' budget on renting X-Files DVDs.
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May 13, 2024 05:55
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Funky Valentine posted:P5 Protag spends most of the Phantom Thieves' budget on renting X-Files DVDs. Hey, he got a major deal on that lifetime subscription.  No, in my experience, Joker spends most of the team's money on fusing high-level personas that he's never going to use because their names aren't "Yoshitsune."
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May 13, 2024 06:12
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"Wow Ren cool new persona. By the way, where did the team's ¥1,000,000 go?"
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May 13, 2024 06:17
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It is canon (I think from the manga?) that all of the phantom thieves are somehow even worse with money than Joker is, and letting him blow millions on an afternoon in his brain jail is still better than the alternative of splitting the imaginary real money eight ways or letting Makoto have some.
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May 13, 2024 06:33
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Chump Farts posted:Still feels really bad to have to grind to get those rank ups. The old couple, gourmet king, team manager, all playing hard to get. Maya is also available on weekdays when you don’t have school. I don’t think that includes summer but I haven’t played in a while.
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May 13, 2024 06:35
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Janissary Hop posted:"Wow Ren cool new persona. By the way, where did the team's ¥1,000,000 go?" Ren: I spent it all on fusing this Chi You! Ryuji: Whoa FOR REAL?! Is that like gonna completely turn the tide and make fighting bosses easier? Ren: lol no gently caress that, I'm just gonna feed him to Yoshitsune for a stat bonus. Ryuji: ...b-but that's the highest persona in my arcana...I thought that would mean something to you- Ren: yeah too late, he's Yosh food.
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May 13, 2024 06:42
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Yeah there is a real nasty undercurrent in P3 social links of just telling people what they want to hear to make them like you more quickly. Ignorant of how accurate this may or may not be, it just kind of sucks. But by the same token the P3 social links are a very rough draft of what they'd be in 4-5 and you can feel the difference in writing when it comes to Junpei or Akihiko asking to just hang out.
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May 13, 2024 07:51
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I think the non-romance links feel a bit worse in that regard because they got basically no change in Reload. The girls they at least wrote in platonic routes so had to do a little rewriting for that. But Kenji and Kazuichi feel the worst of it because it feels like you’re actively encouraging them (at least if you want to get max points), while for other SLs like Keisuke or Maya you’re just an audience for them flailing about and working through their own issues while things happen to them. Like even with Nozomi, all you are is a listening ear until his Rank 9.
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May 13, 2024 08:31
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Keisuke is clearly under a curse because people always become gravely ill in his presence.
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May 13, 2024 09:48
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Maybe if you never start the Fortune link, you live past March.
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May 13, 2024 09:59
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ApplesandOranges posted:Maybe if you never start the Fortune link, you live past March. lmao, that would be the cruelest trick any game has played on someone like me with completionist brainworms.
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May 13, 2024 17:43
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ApplesandOranges posted:Maybe if you never start the Fortune link, you live past March. Judging from how ignored that Social Link tends to be, not really 
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May 13, 2024 18:07
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somehow Keisuke "heart attack aura" Hiraga is still the least deadly of the three characters in P3 associated with the Fortune arcana
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May 13, 2024 18:10
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Your Uncle Dracula posted:Yeah there is a real nasty undercurrent in P3 social links of just telling people what they want to hear to make them like you more quickly. Ignorant of how accurate this may or may not be, it just kind of sucks. I feel like it's kind of emphasized when the narrator will be like "_____ trusts you more now..." after a rank-up lol ApplesandOranges posted:But Kenji and Kazuichi feel the worst of it because it feels like you’re actively encouraging them (at least if you want to get max points), while for other SLs like Keisuke or Maya you’re just an audience for them flailing about and working through their own issues while things happen to them. Like even with Nozomi, all you are is a listening ear until his Rank 9. I don't think you're really encouraging Kenji much. It comes off more like "just tolerating him and being a friendly audience" (like how you described Keisuke/Maya).
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May 13, 2024 18:11
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Personally, my headcanon has always been that P3 Protag just tries to be deadpan sarcastic through all of Kenji's link and he's kind of bad at it, so Kenji doesn't catch on and thinks his bff encourages him.
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May 13, 2024 21:09
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I like to think he’s egging him on just to see what’ll happen and doesn’t realize until it’s too late how seriously Kenji’s taking it
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May 13, 2024 21:10
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I like the read that Makoto just Kind Of Sucks, which is why he has social links like Kenji's, and refuses to hang out with anyone from SEES unless it's for the job or because he's trying to get in their pants. It explains perfectly why Ryoji's entire personality is brooding or being thirsty, and why Nyx concludes that humanity is ready to die. Reload kind of ruins it by adding all those linked episodes and hangs and platonic routes, which is why it is not canon.
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May 13, 2024 21:15
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I beat P3Reload last week and now I'm replaying P4 Golden for the first time since it came out on Vita. I played P3R on Normal and am playing P4G on Normal and P4G's Normal is scaled way more difficult than P3R's. P3R felt like a cakewalk. I'm guessing that P3R's Normal is scaled closer to the other game's Easy. Also I miss a lot of the QOL features of P3R already, as well as the way its menus worked. I keep hitting Rush in P4G when I meant to use Persona skills.
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May 15, 2024 18:56
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Detective No. 27 posted:I beat P3Reload last week and now I'm replaying P4 Golden for the first time since it came out on Vita. I played P3R on Normal and am playing P4G on Normal and P4G's Normal is scaled way more difficult than P3R's. P3R felt like a cakewalk. I'm guessing that P3R's Normal is scaled closer to the other game's Easy. The difficulty will even out eventually. Like most (maybe all?) Persona games, P4G is by far the hardest at the start. By the time you get your real navigator, you'll likely start sailing through things.
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May 15, 2024 18:58
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Yeah the first two bosses of P4G are pretty rough. It's super easy after that but that's par for the course for Persona games. And that's their toned down version, they were way harder in original.
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May 15, 2024 20:13
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Also the intended gameplay loop of P4 is that you do part of a dungeon, leave, sell your enemy drops to upgrade your gear, and head back in. Going by the relative character levels, they probably wanted you to run through each floor multiple times, even. The other games tie gear to plot progress and give you upgrades in the dungeons. If you go in intending to do the dungeons in a single day, for plot or time reasons, you will face the bosses undergeared and underleveled, and with no easy way to recover SP, which is why the first couple P4 dungeons seem massively harder. Later in the game you can remedy most of this, and being a tier of gear behind is less impactful.
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May 15, 2024 20:27
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P4G’s sos requests makes it way easier to take a dungeon in one day, where P3R has no such passive SP recovery and you’re limited to whatever sodas you can get your hands on. Getting an Invigorate 1 card in P3R felt like manna from Heaven.
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Your Uncle Dracula posted:P4G’s sos requests makes it way easier to take a dungeon in one day, where P3R has no such passive SP recovery and you’re limited to whatever sodas you can get your hands on. Getting an Invigorate 1 card in P3R felt like manna from Heaven. I spent a while collecting a Spirit Drain and Drain Ability and never regretted the time since it allows you just stay in until you want to leave by draining everything.
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