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Mr Chips posted:is there anything definitive on whether current B450/X470 boards will be able to run Ryzens 4000s? AMD has claimed to support AM4 at least up to 2020 but that's pretty much it. Realistically, they won't change the socket until DDR5 and support for it is only rumoured for Zen4/Ryzen 5000 so chances are good.
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Arzachel posted:AMD has claimed to support AM4 at least up to 2020 but that's pretty much it. Realistically, they won't change the socket until DDR5 and support for it is only rumoured for Zen4/Ryzen 5000 so chances are good.
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Mr Chips posted:I think what I'm worried about is the motherboard vendors dropping the ball, or Murphy's law comes into play and whichever board I get ends up having some sort of design quirk that rules out upgrading to Zen 3. if anything the motherboard manufacturers have gone above-and-beyond what we might expect, given that even A320 boards are capable of using Zen 2 chips
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I got the sense that it's less so about the motherboards, and moreso about the design of Zen architecture itself. Unless you're gonna try and run a 12-core or 16-core (where A320s do start to not work), you'll likely be okay simply because of how insanely power efficient Zen is proving itself to be and that supposedly they'll keep going with it on the 4000 series.
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Oct 3, 2019 13:50
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Sri.Theo posted:So with regards to the new surface laptops what sort of performance upgrade are the AMD chips compared with the Intel ones in the 13 inch model? We don’t know yet and thermals will be important for sustained performance, but the AMD part is likely going to be slower across the board honestly. The 64EU Ice Lake has been pretty impressive in the early reviews, and it’s got DDR4X 3733 vs the DDR4 2400 the AMD version is getting. But we also don’t know price or whether there will ever be enough Ice Lake parts for it to matter.
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Cygni posted:
We know the price of the full Surface Laptop 3 lineup. i5 $999 i7 $1599 Ryzen 5 $1199 Ryzen 7 $1699 Those are all the base prices for the 4 processor configs. The 5 series Intel and AMD starting configs are with 8g/128gb and the 7 series Intel and AMD are 16gb/256gb. The Ryzen 5 config seems to be the everyman laptop. Large screen and decent enough graphics to run indies or some light creative work. The Ryzen 7 is likely made for creatives and the i7 is for somone who wants the most CPU in the smallest package. The i5 is probably for corporate deployment.
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Ah my bad, they didn't have the prices announced when I looked at the AT article yesterday. Still looks like we don't know the 15in Ice Lake price. There really isnt much difference between the R5/R7 in these laptops, all of them are 4/8 parts. Its a tiny bump in clocks. Also those prices are straight up bad. You can get 3700U E-series ThinkPads with a 256SSD for sub-$600... vs the $1500 Microsoft is charging for a similar config. Guess the decision is whether the screen is worth paying over double for.
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Well, it's more than just the screen. The whole build is significantly better and the 13" one is significantly lighter than anything in the E series. The surface line is never going to be something to compare to an entry level PC line for another manufacturer. 15" Intel models will only be for corporate purchase and won't be sold to consumers, so we aren't likely to see a hard list price for them.
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Truga posted:I *really* want a decent AMD powered laptop now, and it looks like surface will be it. So am I, but no Wifi6. I could also ding them for no HDMI, but that's a problem that HDMI and DisplayPort need to sort out with eachother, not Microsoft's problem.
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Cygni posted:Ah my bad, they didn't have the prices announced when I looked at the AT article yesterday. Still looks like we don't know the 15in Ice Lake price. The surface line is not designed to compete with Microsoft customers. It's a halo line for windows hardware ideas. Ideally having ryzen in a surface product (high end apple competitor) inspires product planning at odms to use it in more mainstream products
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Oct 3, 2019 17:25
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Malcolm XML posted:It's a halo line for windows hardware ideas. somewhere a terrible Microsoft product team is high-fiving because someone actually used their bad jargon
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Finally updated my Asrock X570 Taichi to the ABBA AGESA. It has definitely tamed my boosting behavior quite a bit, now during normal desktop use it's no longer "idling" at 1.4x volts. My 3900X still seems to be a bit of a dud, even with the new AGESA it doesn't want to boost much above 4.4 GHz in single threaded workloads, and it only hits that frequency for brief moments and mostly hangs out in the 4.3 GHz range (though I'm not complaining too much considering I upgraded from a 3570k).
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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-cpus-new-microcode-bios-agesa-1004,40549.html Cueing up that old finewine?
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Seamonster posted:https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-cpus-new-microcode-bios-agesa-1004,40549.html The next windows 10 update also has support for the preferred core feature you can see in ryzen master.
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Oct 4, 2019 09:09
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AMD likely pushing NUC-likes soon™ http://www.fanlesstech.com/2019/10/exclusive-amds-nuc-is-coming-soon.html Not using embedded processors either apparently so...socketed NUCs? That sounds more like AMD is selling a platform and form factor than they are selling a complete solution. ...wait, is this an offspring of Project Quantum?
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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-increasing-iphone-11-production-a13-7nm-tsmc-amd,40553.html Apple ups demand for A13 chips, making the 7nm squeeze even tighter than before. And it's in this market environment that GloFo decided they weren't going to bother with 7nm? What in the actual gently caress?
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Truga posted:I *really* want a decent AMD powered laptop now, and it looks like surface will be it. Linux. Laptop. AMD. Pick two. The first problem is that Vega IGP is incredibly unstable except on kernel 4.19+, and there’s basically no production environments running kernels that new. Red Hat just began a journey of backporting security fixes to 4.18, Debian Buster just got there and the next Ubuntu LTS will but it will be a while before businesses demand that sort of thing. Oh, and touchscreen/trackpad in Zen laptops wasn’t supported until 5.2 a few months ago, so good luck with that. Ubuntu has actually patched an older driver that works into their current release, if you want to just get a Latitude 5495 or some similar model and wipe Windows off it.
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Craptacular! posted:Linux. Laptop. AMD. Pick two. Desktops should use Fedora Servers should use RHEL/CentOS. Fedora30 has kernel 5.2 which works fine with Vega. Edit* Great terrible post/username combo. FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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yeah i was gonna say what the gently caress kind of laptop is going to run a kernel that old??
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The gist is that these “shipped to run Linux” laptops from Dell are usually sold to enterprise and IT, which aren’t going to run cutting/bleeding edge builds when business are on the line. If you’re going to use a community distro, you order from someone like System 76 who presently use all Intel.
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i've been using linux on laptops for work almost 15 years now and i haven't even heard of any of the things you're saying right now i just check laptop specs to get something that will suit my needs, do a quick google if it runs linux and then run linux 
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One of these pieces of software is very confused 
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EmpyreanFlux posted:AMD likely pushing NUC-likes soon™ http://www.fanlesstech.com/2019/10/exclusive-amds-nuc-is-coming-soon.html Well, there's already the Asrock deskmini A300: https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini%20A300%20Series/ (which I really really want for honestly no good reason other than "it's neat") Would be interesting to see more options of course.
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Those had the potential to be better, if only because they have the ability to come with an MXM slot for some real hilarious shenanigans, but it's been a couple years now, and I don't think MXM is going to get any more mainstream as time goes on, only less. Nvidia seems to want to wash their hands of MXM entirely as it is.
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Sadly, they ditched MXM for the AM4 version  E: I mean, probably the right call, but a 1060 still hugely outperforms Vega 11. Stickman fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IqD7U9oNpQ Zen3/Milan is still DDR4, PCIE4, SP3 Zen3/Milan is still 9 die (64C max) Zen3/Milan is SMT2, not SMT4 Zen3/Milan has unified L3 cache inside of a CCD ('Ringbus' for decreased latency?) Zen3/Milan has a target date of Q3 2020. To note, Zen2/Rome dropped later than Zen2/Matisse so it's possible Zen3/Vermeer is Q2 2020 at earliest. Zen3/Milan is still on 7nm, not 7nmEUV. This is weird since it'd indicate Zen3/Milan was always intended for 7nm, 7nm and 7nmEUV do not have interchangeable design rules. Maybe this is an accidental omission or typo?  Note that the Zen3 Core/L2/L3 size are larger, might indicate a wider core. I mean if you didn't want to communicate that as a possibility you could have just copy-pasted the Zen2 block and adjusted the L3 portion, but instead they did an entirely new block diagram for Zen3. Supporting evidence is that the unified L3 is labeled 32MB+, not 32MB. I mean, the graphic artist would be an idiot too, thread title as precedent, so grain of salt.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:One of these pieces of software is very confused You know drat well they're both wrong.
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EmpyreanFlux posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IqD7U9oNpQ loving. Finally. They are finally merging the goddamn L3 caches on adjacent CCXes together, that I thought was the entire point of the current over/under arrangement on the die, compared to Zen 1's side-by-side layout.
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posting this here in case somebody is using a Enermax TR AIO for his machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nttKqzQiZEo (aircooling is cool and good)
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Just slap on a half-decent air cooler and never worry about it again until it's time to upgrade.
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Noctua should also be announcing their black D15 this month. If they don't, honestly gently caress 'em and buy a Be Quiet cooler instead if they still can't get their act together.
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Hey everyone. Just finished installing a Ryzen 3600 and an Asus Prime x570 Pro on my computer, and had a question about the CPU. It doesn't seem to be clocking down when idle. My power plan is set to balanced, but clocks aren't going below ~2900 Mhz. I updated the bios and installed the chipset drivers which gave me a "Ryzen Balanced" power plan, but same issue. I poked in the advanced settings and the Ryzen Balanced plan has the minimum processor state at 99% which seems weird, but even the regular windows balanced which has minimum at 10% and power saver don't seem to bring the clocks below 2.9-3k. Any ideas? Any bios setting I may have overlooked?
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ufarn posted:Noctua should also be announcing their black D15 this month. If they don't, honestly gently caress 'em and buy a Be Quiet cooler instead if they still can't get their act together. All of my fans are poo-brown. I like it.
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Dramicus posted:All of my fans are poo-brown. I like it. Of course. It's the colour of real fans
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Edmond Dantes posted:Hey everyone. Just finished installing a Ryzen 3600 and an Asus Prime x570 Pro on my computer, and had a question about the CPU.
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ufarn posted:Try Ryzen Balanced and see what Minimum CPU Usage or whatever in Power Options is set to. Try lowering it if changing the profile doesn't improve things. I did, i was at 99% for minimum; set it to 10% but it doesn't seem to be doing anything tbh.
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Edmond Dantes posted:Hey everyone. Just finished installing a Ryzen 3600 and an Asus Prime x570 Pro on my computer, and had a question about the CPU. What are you using to check the clocks? I'm pretty sure this thread has concluded that nothing except Ryzen Master shows real clock speeds when idle?? 
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