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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:For God's sake why? Capacity/enlargement issues at Piccadilly (couldn't they rebuild the closed station across from Piccadilly or something)? Airport accessibility? Sheer perversity? Your mistake is thinking of Manchester as its own city rather than an extra airport for London.
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jammyozzy posted:This is the dumbest thing I've read today (so far), is there a good reason for that or are the various committees involved not talking to each other? They've just spent 5 years and a couple of hundred million extending the platforms for HS1, and there's no real way to connect HS2 to those platforms without causing much more damage to north London than extending Euston would (and shutting the whole station down for a few years), and building new platforms at St. Pancras is basically impossible.
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May 4, 2014 09:29
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If it went to massively underused Straford international, it would provide direct connection to the continent without all the demolition (assuming they put that link underground).
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May 4, 2014 10:02
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I think its pretty certain that at some point HS2 will connect to HS1, It just isn't being included in the initial construction. Once HS2 is finished it would be very hard to argue against connecting the two.
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May 4, 2014 12:00
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nozz posted:I think its pretty certain that at some point HS2 will connect to HS1, It just isn't being included in the initial construction. Once HS2 is finished it would be very hard to argue against connecting the two. Well the connection can be outside central London (I believe there are reserved routes at Barking for exactly that), because the advantage of connecting them is going HS2-Europe, and meandering through London is pointless for that. Metrication posted:If it went to massively underused Straford international, it would provide direct connection to the continent without all the demolition (assuming they put that link underground). Stratford's too small to be a terminus, although at least one justification for its existence is it can be used as a London stop on a future direct service from HS2 to the continent. There's a proposal for a direct Stratford-Europe service too (for travelers going to the City or Canary Wharf it would shave 20ish minutes off the journey). Speaking of which, does anyone know what happened to the direct London to not-France/not-Belgium service we were supposed to be getting? It seems ridiculous that we've spent all this money to just be able to go to Paris and the two dullest cities in Rurope. I mean if they could at least sync up the services so you don't have to kick your heels for an hour in Brussels before getting on another high-speed service to Holland or Germany that would be nice but oh yeah private sector efficiency.
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May 4, 2014 12:44
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coffeetable posted:Your mistake is thinking of Manchester as its own city rather than an extra airport for London. Don't let RyanAir hear you. Manchester will be 'London North Airport' (like Brussels South).
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May 4, 2014 13:22
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Jeoh posted:Don't let RyanAir hear you. Manchester will be 'London North Airport' (like Brussels South). We already have eight London airports as it is. My favourite is London Oxford.
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May 4, 2014 13:28
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The dream of the Tories: London Manchester. London Edinburgh. London Dublin. Everything London 
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May 4, 2014 13:34
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ellspurs posted:You get the wonderful Midland Metro which they're extending through Birmingham City Centre to New Street station... Ah yes, the wonderful Midland Metro that isn't working half the time because either someone stole a cable or the tram ran into a car on the street running bit in Wolverhampton! The very same Midland Metro that had big plans of being the Midlands version of Metrolink yet, out of all the wonderful new lines that were going to be built, only the Birmingham extension has actually gone ahead. Then again, the main reason why I don't like it is because they don't accept £20 notes as payment anymore. t 
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:TfL want a fat bunch of zone one - zone one fares from lazy fucks and people too stupid to realise the stations are 100 metres apart? To be fair to them, if you look at any of the post-current-expansions tube map mock ups they've done they show Euston / King's X / St Pancras as one linked station a la Bank / Monument. So really you'd have to be wilfully ignorant to take the tube between the two then.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:
the dutsche bahn direct train london to frankfurt via cologne and amsterdam via rotterdam (splits at brussels so make sure you're in the right seat) is still planned to launch in 2016. direct trains for lyon, marseille and geneva supposedly to follow within 5 years of that (don't hold your breath).
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May 4, 2014 18:22
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Well the connection can be outside central London (I believe there are reserved routes at Barking for exactly that) Did I read somewhere that the plan is (or was at one time) to do a chord from somewhere outside St Pancras to the new Old Oak Common station, which in fifteen years' time will have an interchange with basically everything else?
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Cerv posted:the dutsche bahn direct train london to frankfurt via cologne and amsterdam via rotterdam (splits at brussels so make sure you're in the right seat) is still planned to launch in 2016. Oh okay - the last I'd heard was in early 2012 that it was definitely going to happen by Sports Day and then it didn't, so I assumed it had been shelved forever. Weren't Air France looking at replacing some of their flights with train journeys too? I know it'll never happen for all sorts of dumb (and non-dumb) reasons but I wish the EU would just step in and knock everyones heads together and say "Right this is how we're going to do rail now" so we could actually have a proper network and I could just jump a train from London to Rome or wherever. (Also can you split high speed trains? How does that work?)
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Lofty132 posted:Is it true that they want HS2 to go into Euston despite it being a logistical nightmare? It would make more sense to go to St Pancras, surely?  Come on guys; I know you hate development, hate London because it gets development money and hate this development because it will link you to London but HS2 aren't that retarded. edit. St Pancras and Kings Cross have just finished long and expensive redevelopments/renovations while Euston is ripe for redevelopment. Anemone Mine fucked around with this message at 11:17 on May 5, 2014 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Oh okay - the last I'd heard was in early 2012 that it was definitely going to happen by Sports Day and then it didn't, so I assumed it had been shelved forever. Weren't Air France looking at replacing some of their flights with train journeys too? The EU have tried to do this with the all consuming power of "the markets" via EU Directive 91/440 (the so called privatisation directive, but that is a very British misinterpretation). As ETCS technology grows in maturity and the requirements of interoperability are better applied, we should see more inyer-European rail growth. The major issue in the UK is that our loading gauge is so restrictive relative to everyone else's, so the network needs a major overhaul if very high speed rail is to become the norm. I use the correct term here because the UK has plenty of high speed (200kph) capable lines and run far more complex and dense train services on them than our neighbours.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Oh okay - the last I'd heard was in early 2012 that it was definitely going to happen by Sports Day and then it didn't, so I assumed it had been shelved forever. Weren't Air France looking at replacing some of their flights with train journeys too? i think the air france thing was just crazy rumours. if part of your EU knocking heads together would be to force everyone on the atlantic archipelago to join Schengen so we wouldn't have to waste so much 'upgrading' stations to include border controls every time you wanted to add a new route that'd be just super. best reason to vote yes in September is the sudden massive increase in inter EU rail services that it'll generate without anyone having to life a finger.
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Bizarre article in the torygraph today from Boris Johnson (not my copy) where he decries railway nationalisation (and rent control) but goes on to say how successful London Overground is. LO effectively is nationalisation.
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Anemone Mine posted:
Private Eye floated the idea that the route still performs that weird slow curve in the direction of Liverpool, (despite not connecting Liverpool properly) before the sharp dogleg towards Manchester Airport: so that it can avoid going through George Osborne's Tatton constituency and irking the NIMBYs. I have no idea if this is the case but the thought of national infrastructure being bent for petty personal reasons is so deliciously British.
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What's with the HS2 lines joining the ECML and WCML at the at the northernmost ends? Is the plan for high speed trains to continue on up the old tracks to Glasgow/Edinburgh at normal speed?
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Mr Crucial posted:What's with the HS2 lines joining the ECML and WCML at the at the northernmost ends? Is the plan for high speed trains to continue on up the old tracks to Glasgow/Edinburgh at normal speed? Most high speed trains won't be able to do that, due being built to European loading gauges, but some trainsets will be available that can run through taking advantage of what should be less congested HS2 tracks as an express route.
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Install Windows posted:Most high speed trains won't be able to do that, due being built to European loading gauges, but some trainsets will be available that can run through taking advantage of what should be less congested HS2 tracks as an express route. fishmech you're a brit 
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Install Windows posted:Most high speed trains won't be able to do that, due being built to European loading gauges, but some trainsets will be available that can run through taking advantage of what should be less congested HS2 tracks as an express route. Also gives access for engineering trains and any other flexibility you might need.
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So can anyone field a question about rail cards because since January I have been getting the runaround from everyone. Last year I received a gold rail card and merrily used it to get cheap colchester returns with first class 5 quid each way, then in January everyone at liv street suddenly found themselves amnesiac about the upgrade telling me I had to get it from a conductor. However every conductor I have asked about it now has given a varied answer from I have no idea what you are talking about to knowing what it is but saying they can't supply it as it is a penalty area to issuing me with one easily. Now the ticket I got 20 minutes ago, the issuer said I had to specify the return leg of my journey for the upgrade which I have never had to so before, I could just get an open return. For added confusion the national rail helpline says I can get it at either the point of issue or a conductor so I as horribly confused. Basically if anyone can explain what is going on and what the truth of the matter is that would be grand. If no one can just consider this an example of the fantastic ticket policies of privatised rail.
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I can't help since we don't have those railcards in my area, but was the railcard itself not supplied with literature? What you need is literature to support your argument, I'd also write to the relevant TOC and complain as I'd imagine they would at least clear things up for you in black and white, usually they dish out free travel vouchers if you have been left out of pocket by their idiocy.
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Stormgale posted:So can anyone field a question about rail cards because since January I have been getting the runaround from everyone. Last year I received a gold rail card and merrily used it to get cheap colchester returns with first class 5 quid each way, then in January everyone at liv street suddenly found themselves amnesiac about the upgrade telling me I had to get it from a conductor. However every conductor I have asked about it now has given a varied answer from I have no idea what you are talking about to knowing what it is but saying they can't supply it as it is a penalty area to issuing me with one easily. On my phone but Google Gold Card First Supplement to get the information. Sounds like you're being done here.
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Bozza posted:On my phone but Google Gold Card First Supplement to get the information. Sounds like you're being done here.  http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ticket_types/46557.aspx#Gold_Card_First_SupplementNational Rail Enquiries posted:Gold Cards may be able to benefit from the Gold Card First Supplement, if they are not travelling on the journey covered by their Annual Gold Card Season Ticket or Travelcard. Yeah they shouldn't be asking you about buying a return as you don't need one yet. That's weird. Also holy poo poo look what's happening in Wales NRE posted:05:32 Holyhead to Cardiff Central 18:21 Cardiff Central to Holyhead 
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Also holy poo poo look what's happening in Wales Hang on, is this only if you go from Holyhead to Cardiff, cos that is an absolute mission of a train, 4 1/2 hours I think as you have to go via Chester.
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Anemone Mine posted:
See I thought they meant HS2 would stop at Manchester Airport instead of Manchester Piccadilly. This way it actually makes sense to connect to Manchester Airport. Look, I spent seven years in Manchester as a history grad student, I take Manchester-London rail connections very seriously. You would too if the best way to visit archives was the 5:05 Pendolino from Piccadilly.
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Let's all laugh at the French today. But at least they've got this much right: quote:Transport Minister Frederic Cuvillier blamed an "absurd rail system" for the problems.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:
It's not that they were asking me about buying a return, it was up until literally the last one I bought, I could buy an open return with the supplement for both journeys (back and forth) but the guy I bought one from on monday said I had to specify My date back. The secondary problem which neither of those websites rectify (I had them as print outs for boarding trains to explain that yes this ticket actually exists) is if I have to buy it before boarding or from the conductor: Liverpool street said conductor, Conductors say Before boarding and the national Rail Helpline say both. (Colchester station staff actually know how to do it so I usually get my tickets from there on my way back each time)
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On further Camden HS2 news. I got a conservative pamphlet with an HS2 "Referendum" card attached to it. Apparently this got kicked off last month but they posted it through to people near where I live last week, presumably for it to be closer to the local elections so that they get to show off them taking action for the borough. The main talking points on it are how this will affect property prices in Camden and noise and air pollution during construction. To not seem totally partial it does also have one small paragraph mentioning that people elsewhere might benefit from better transport links. http://www.camdennewjournal.com/news/2014/apr/tories-launch-unprecedented-local-referendum-hs2-70000-vote-cards
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Hooray, Worst Capital Connect are finally being put out of their misery http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/passenger/single-view/view/govia-wins-thameslink-southern-great-northern-rail-franchise.html quote:Govia wins Thameslink, Southern & Great Northern rail franchise Dunno why they're not giving the Northern City line to London Overground but it's probably got something to do with Boris being a poo poo.
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Northern City trains currently finish at Letchworth and Welwyn. I can see why some people might think that's a bit far for "London" Overground, especially after the squabbling over TFL having trains go to Shenfield and Reading. (They're wrong, but it's easy to see where the argument comes from.)
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Imagine running a huge rail franchise for 8 years without having enough train drivers. Wish they would just take the Wimbledon loop into Overground and cut it off at Blackfriars. Is the current franchise a management contracts? What does this entail exactly?
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east london line closed this weekend for platform extensions. so walking tours of the thames tunnel. can now cross 'touched the third rail' off my bucket list
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Metrication posted:Imagine running a huge rail franchise for 8 years without having enough train drivers. A lot of franchises seem to constantly need qualified drivers. I know in the north, Workington Northern Rail depot suffers from a high turnover, people from away will get a trainee job there and then leave as soon as they can get a move, leaving them forever short.
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Cerv posted:east london line closed this weekend for platform extensions. so walking tours of the thames tunnel. Went for that yesterday, Rotherhithe-Wapping through Brunel's first underwater tunnel. The guide was absolutely terrible, so it's a good job I was with the guy who runs London Reconnections and had the Chief of the Overground telling the back of the tour all these awesome stories associated with it.
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Trin Tragula posted:Northern City trains currently finish at Letchworth and Welwyn. I can see why some people might think that's a bit far for "London" Overground, especially after the squabbling over TFL having trains go to Shenfield and Reading. (They're wrong, but it's easy to see where the argument comes from.) Yeah I suppose so, but soon this 
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Yeah I suppose so, but soon this Cheshunt is only a couple of kilometres outside the GLA boundary, like the other out of London Overground stations (and Chingford is just inside). With Crossrail it makes sense because it's a regional network as opposed to a local one. What would make a lot of sense is to rebrand parts of Thameslink as Crossrail 2 or something like that and put it under TfL control (Sevenoaks to Luton etc, or even Luton Airport Parkway to Gatwick would work), then put a cut off loop under the Overground brand.
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Lofty132 posted:A lot of franchises seem to constantly need qualified drivers. I know in the north, Workington Northern Rail depot suffers from a high turnover, people from away will get a trainee job there and then leave as soon as they can get a move, leaving them forever short. Well, it is Workington...
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