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Scionix
Oct 17, 2009

hoog emm xDDD

Last generation, the 2012-2015 models. Used ones go for 40-45k where I live.

e: oh right its inline isnt it whoops :downs:

Scionix fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jan 25, 2020

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Tremek
Jun 10, 2005

Scionix posted:

There's not really a fun sports car in that high 30's low 50's range that isn't either:

A.) A german timebomb waiting to go off

B.) 20 years old and/or a warranty/insurance nightmare

This is very wrong. You can buy a 2017+ Camaro SS 1LE or a Mustang GT Perf Pack still under factory warranty for under $40k - in the case of the Camaro, so long as the car is stock they will even warranty things that break while on the track. Either can be bought new for under $50k, as can a used ZL1 or GT350. C7 Vettes are also in this price range, all of which are world-class sports cars often under warranty, generally reliable, and will run rings around a Miata.

Scionix
Oct 17, 2009

hoog emm xDDD

Tremek posted:

This is very wrong. You can buy a 2017+ Camaro SS 1LE or a Mustang GT Perf Pack still under factory warranty for under $40k - in the case of the Camaro, so long as the car is stock they will even warranty things that break while on the track. Either can be bought new for under $50k, as can a used ZL1 or GT350. C7 Vettes are also in this price range, all of which are world-class sports cars often under warranty, generally reliable, and will run rings around a Miata.

You're right, I should've been more specific. I was mentally excluding muscle stuff like the mustang and camaro just because I've never had much interest in them. I think the c7 is the most compelling car there for sure. How bulletproof are those?

I'm interested in how the C8 does, it seems like it addresses the problem of corvettes feeling cheap to sit in, and a mid engine 450hp or however much for 60k new is real good. I wonder if they will get big dealer markups

Tremek
Jun 10, 2005

Scionix posted:

You're right, I should've been more specific. I was mentally excluding muscle stuff like the mustang and camaro just because I've never had much interest in them. I think the c7 is the most compelling car there for sure. How bulletproof are those?

I'm interested in how the C8 does, it seems like it addresses the problem of corvettes feeling cheap to sit in, and a mid engine 450hp or however much for 60k new is real good. I wonder if they will get big dealer markups

C7s are pretty reliable. For context a ~$40k C7 Grand Sport is 30 seconds faster a lap around VIR versus a 2019 RF Club, 2:47.1 vs 3:17.2. That difference is measured on a geologic scale it’s so huge. For similar money, if you want a serious sports car and not a weekender pretendomobile, any of the above cars fits the bill.

Also: both Camaros and Mustangs have arguably been world-class sports cars, not muscle cars, for this entire past generation. They’re better M3s than the M3 is.

Also Caymans are a flat 4 or 6 pal

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011

Scionix posted:

I feel like there's this kind of price gap where I'm at in terms of income. I could've stayed within my means and got, say, a used V6 Cayman S, but then you can't thrash it like the ND and not worry about parts or something breaking. There's not really a fun sports car in that high 30's low 50's range that isn't either:

A.) A german timebomb waiting to go off

B.) 20 years old and/or a warranty/insurance nightmare

Apparently people have been dropping 2UR-GSEs from Lexus IS-Fs into Toyota 86es.

Though I guess that falls into the category of "insurance nightmare".

Alternately you could probably import an early NSX from Canada for about 55-60k USD -- they're about 70k CAD and a lot of them were imported from the US in the first place so they tend to have MPH speedos.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

Okay, I knew Fry's was going downhill, but... the last time I went in there, 6 months ago, they had a reasonable amount of stock, and several employees on hand.

I need a power supply. This is the power supply aisle. It had one mini ATX PSU, and three 250W no-name ATX PSUs. The PC case aisle looks similar - the only cases on hand are the ones that don't come with a power supply. The rest of the store looks pretty much the same, even the vendor-owned displays have been yanked out, and the 3 theater testing rooms are bare (1 has nothing at all, the other have a TV, but no speakers, TV isn't on). Car audio is stripped. The only vendor display I saw was for the Nintendo Switch.



I asked about PSUs. Someone who seemed to act like they were in charge said "oh, we'll have more arriving in about 2-3 weeks, please check back then!". The guy behind him whispered to me "Go to Altex if you need one now". I'd heard of them, but never been there.

Also, anytime I tried to take more than 1 or 2 pics in Fry's in the past, I'd get yelled at. Nobody gave a poo poo today. I spent an hour walking around taking pictures. Then I went to the restroom, where 2 out of 3 urinals were broken, 1 out of 3 toilets broken. They didn't have a single desktop PC available for purchase or on display. They had a couple of Surface knockoffs on display, but when I asked, none for sale. I even waltzed into the warehouse portion, and... nothing. Not even a forklift to be found.

$60 later at Altex.. probably a little spendy, but seeing as my PC is powering off whenever the gently caress it wants, and this is exactly the same issue I've had with other PSUs when they were dying, figured it's the cheapest parts canon part from a brand I trust. Finally realized that I have "resume power on after power failure" enabled, which is probably why it's trying to restart several times after it shuts off. :doh:



I got 9 years out of a CX 500. If I get half of that out of another CX I'll be happy.

randomidiot fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jan 25, 2020

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

zoom-zoom
Toilet Rascal
They have stopped paying their suppliers.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

That's what I figured. There's no way vendors would rip out vendor-owned product otherwise, and ESPECIALLY vendor displays. You have to really screw the pooch for a vendor to yank their display models.

The vendor stuff is usually supplied to the store on consignment - the store provides shelf space, but doesn't pay for it until it's either sold or unaccounted for. The newest phone shown on hand was an unlocked Galaxy S9, but when I asked, they didn't actually have any. The only carrier display was AT&T with dummy phones, but they were all long-depreciated Sony Xperia phones.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

Ok then
Internet sales have gutted Fry's. Microcenter has kept up better, afaik, but Fry's is following the RadioShack model of a slow and painful death.

E: spelling.

ilkhan fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jan 26, 2020

Somewhat Heroic
Oct 11, 2007

(Insert Mad Max related text)



Tremek posted:

C7s are pretty reliable. For context a ~$40k C7 Grand Sport is 30 seconds faster a lap around VIR versus a 2019 RF Club, 2:47.1 vs 3:17.2. That difference is measured on a geologic scale it’s so huge. For similar money, if you want a serious sports car and not a weekender pretendomobile, any of the above cars fits the bill.

Also: both Camaros and Mustangs have arguably been world-class sports cars, not muscle cars, for this entire past generation. They’re better M3s than the M3 is.

Also Caymans are a flat 4 or 6 pal

I agree with all of this but will add an M3 can be had with four doors. Speaking of things with four doors why not a CTS-V?

Seriously in the range of 30-50 there is SO MUCH you can buy. I think even Hellcats are less than $50k now which is hilarious to consider.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Used 911's come to mind for me immediately....I'd get the best 911 I could find for 50k.

everdave
Nov 14, 2005
STR I know you needed it now but that price makes me cringe dawg, I regularly get 5-600 watt evgas on sale for 35-45 amazon. I’d say I’ve used over 100 easily the past 3-4 years and no one has come back to me for a replacement.

NitroSpazzz
Dec 9, 2006

You don't need style when you've got strength!


I just bought a car from my couch through an app on my phone. I do not mind this future we live in but it did feel a little weird.

everdave
Nov 14, 2005

NitroSpazzz posted:

I just bought a car from my couch through an app on my phone. I do not mind this future we live in but it did feel a little weird.

I have it streamlined where I can buy cars from Japan, get them shipped in a boat across the ocean, cleared by customs and deliver from port to my driveway without ever talking to anyone except by computer or text. It’s actually pretty terrifying if you think about it.

Scionix
Oct 17, 2009

hoog emm xDDD
yall are way braver than me if you're willing to daily a 911 lol

trouser chili
Mar 27, 2002

Unnngggggghhhhh

NitroSpazzz posted:

I just bought a car from my couch through an app on my phone. I do not mind this future we live in but it did feel a little weird.

Makes one wonder; Why buy a car at all?

everdave
Nov 14, 2005

trouser chili posted:

Makes one wonder; Why buy a car at all?

Cars good talking to people bad

trouser chili
Mar 27, 2002

Unnngggggghhhhh
Taking to cars ok? I talk to my cars.

everdave
Nov 14, 2005

trouser chili posted:

Taking to cars ok? I talk to my cars.

Oh i do as well, usually “why are you doing this to me, after all I have done for you?” Fun times.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

The multi-millionaires I used to live next to had an unassuming house in a new no name suburb out on the fringes (or at least it was the fringes 40 years ago) with a basic no nonsense V8 Commodore sedan bought second hand. The other seriously wealthy family I'm aware of drives about in a 10 year old Ford Falcon. Instagram flash bullshit ain't real, plenty of actual wealthy folks that aren't living on loans secured against shares or other non-liquid assets that have book value only choose to drive shitboxes and live in quiet suburbia and you wouldn't have a single clue they have the cash to do whatever the gently caress they want... and they stay utterly silent about it.

That's the thing. Conspicuous consumption is for up-jumped commoners playing at being rich.

Most of the actual wealthy people have exceedingly comfortable but in no way flashy lives because they don't need to give a gently caress who thinks they're rich besides their accountants. Everyone they interact with regularly knows they can buy and sell people's lives casually.

Elviscat posted:

The closest they're coming to Seattle is loving LA, I'm so mad.

I'm driving to Minneapolis to see them in August, because it's been drat near 20 years and they still kick rear end.

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Jan 26, 2020

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012


STR posted:

Okay, I knew Fry's was going downhill, but... the last time I went in there, 6 months ago, they had a reasonable amount of stock, and several employees on hand.

I need a power supply. This is the power supply aisle. It had one mini ATX PSU, and three 250W no-name ATX PSUs. The PC case aisle looks similar - the only cases on hand are the ones that don't come with a power supply. The rest of the store looks pretty much the same, even the vendor-owned displays have been yanked out, and the 3 theater testing rooms are bare (1 has nothing at all, the other have a TV, but no speakers, TV isn't on). Car audio is stripped. The only vendor display I saw was for the Nintendo Switch.



I asked about PSUs. Someone who seemed to act like they were in charge said "oh, we'll have more arriving in about 2-3 weeks, please check back then!". The guy behind him whispered to me "Go to Altex if you need one now". I'd heard of them, but never been there.

Also, anytime I tried to take more than 1 or 2 pics in Fry's in the past, I'd get yelled at. Nobody gave a poo poo today. I spent an hour walking around taking pictures. Then I went to the restroom, where 2 out of 3 urinals were broken, 1 out of 3 toilets broken. They didn't have a single desktop PC available for purchase or on display. They had a couple of Surface knockoffs on display, but when I asked, none for sale. I even waltzed into the warehouse portion, and... nothing. Not even a forklift to be found.

$60 later at Altex.. probably a little spendy, but seeing as my PC is powering off whenever the gently caress it wants, and this is exactly the same issue I've had with other PSUs when they were dying, figured it's the cheapest parts canon part from a brand I trust. Finally realized that I have "resume power on after power failure" enabled, which is probably why it's trying to restart several times after it shuts off. :doh:



I got 9 years out of a CX 500. If I get half of that out of another CX I'll be happy.

Bwahahaha, oh god. My first job was at the Fry's. That black friday the computer department (computers and accessories only, no components, that was a separate department) turned over a million in sales. We had every member of staff working 18+ hours. 4am to 10pm for me and the other openers, 4am to 2am the next day for everyone else. One person complained that violated labor laws and was dared to report them. Not a thing came from it.

I'm glad those dipshits have crashed their company through their own stupidity.

Elmnt80 fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jan 26, 2020

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Scionix posted:

yall are way braver than me if you're willing to daily a 911 lol
911s are put together exceptionally well and pretty reliable. My 99 literally has less squeaks, clunks and general strange noises than my 2019 Silverado.

e:
The Art of Self Defense was pretty strange. Not entirely sure how it got 7 stars/Fresh rating. It's different, certainly a little of kilter, but I don't think I could call it good.

slidebite fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Jan 26, 2020

Somewhat Heroic
Oct 11, 2007

(Insert Mad Max related text)



Scionix posted:

yall are way braver than me if you're willing to daily a 911 lol

Another decent talking point is of every car we listed a 911 will likely hold value the longest particularly because you’d be buying one in a sweet spot.

You should buy a 911.

Scionix
Oct 17, 2009

hoog emm xDDD

Somewhat Heroic posted:

Another decent talking point is of every car we listed a 911 will likely hold value the longest particularly because you’d be buying one in a sweet spot.

You should buy a 911.

I know jack poo poo about 911's other than the engine is in the back, what years are now in the "you could maybe afford this, peasant" category? From just perusing, I tend to like 993's. Lookit dat widdle widebody :3:

slidebite posted:

911s are put together exceptionally well and pretty reliable. My 99 literally has less squeaks, clunks and general strange noises than my 2019 Silverado.

what is the cost of upkeep on something like that? Do you track it?

e: holy moly the depreciation on the 996 model lmao

Scionix fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Jan 26, 2020

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer

Scionix posted:

Last generation, the 2012-2015 models. Used ones go for 40-45k where I live.

e: oh right its inline isnt it whoops :downs:


:ughh:

everdave
Nov 14, 2005
Air cooled Porsches will continue to appreciate until the earth goes dark.

freelop
Apr 28, 2013

Where we're going, we won't need fries to see



trouser chili posted:

Taking to cars ok? I talk to my cars.
A short prayer to the machine spirits before starting is essential

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I missed out on being an organ donor by a few minutes. Guess I am not allowed to get a motorbike again. Now I'm fighting the universe and trying to find me a cheap bike to defy my 3 strike rule of bike crashes. It's Aussie day and especially tempting fate racing a quad bike against my neighbour drunk.

slothrop
Dec 7, 2006

Santa Alpha, Fox One... Gifts Incoming ~~~>===|>

Soiled Meat

Humphreys posted:

I missed out on being an organ donor by a few minutes. Guess I am not allowed to get a motorbike again. Now I'm fighting the universe and trying to find me a cheap bike to defy my 3 strike rule of bike crashes. It's Aussie day and especially tempting fate racing a quad bike against my neighbour drunk.

stay safe East Coast not-yet-ghost

NitroSpazzz
Dec 9, 2006

You don't need style when you've got strength!


Liquid Communism posted:

Most of the actual wealthy people have exceedingly comfortable but in no way flashy lives because they don't need to give a gently caress who thinks they're rich besides their accountants. Everyone they interact with regularly knows they can buy and sell people's lives casually.
I had no idea until recently my neighbors growing up were multimillionaires. Very simple ~2k square feed house, always just a couple year old but not flashy cars. She was a stay at home mom, he was a college professor. They were just very frugal and had inherited a decent amount in their mid 30's. Nicest people and you never would have known.

Scionix posted:

yall are way braver than me if you're willing to daily a 911 lol
I really tried to justify a 997.2 for daily use, wife was all for it but I couldn't do it.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
:siren: Paging Citroen BX fanboys :siren:

Just saw this, and all it said in the link was "Citroen BX"

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/citroen-bx/324052272537

Then I saw the boot badge and muttered "gently caress me". It's a 4x4 GTi. That's proper rocking horse poo poo territory now.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Scionix posted:

I know jack poo poo about 911's other than the engine is in the back, what years are now in the "you could maybe afford this, peasant" category? From just perusing, I tend to like 993's. Lookit dat widdle widebody :3:


what is the cost of upkeep on something like that? Do you track it?

e: holy moly the depreciation on the 996 model lmao

Everyone likes 993s.

996s are the bargain entry level 911, both NA and Turbo.

No I don't track mine. Upkeep is nothing crazy, but I did a fair amount of maintenance after I bought it to get back where it should be. If you can't work on it yourself or have a local indy that is reasonable that knows them and trust, they will be very expensive for dealer repairs/maintenance. I would never recommend one to a normal guy that has to plan on a dealer to service.. although to be fair that goes with any near 20 year old car. OEM parts can be quite costly.

If you're seriously interested, do some homework. While you should absolutely not be scared of one that isn't fully documented (Porsche-philes seem to turn their nose up at a car that doesn't have a receipt for the air freshener from the local Porsche dealership) an overly cheap beater 911 can quickly become a very expensive one.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


slothrop posted:

stay safe East Coast not-yet-ghost

Crashed through fence but home. Now I'm playing with my 3D printers that arent playing nice with me. Also My trip to Sydney has got a LOT more interesting. Metal concert trip has turned into quite a tour of the city. Involves the keywords: comics, swimming, fishing, surfing, fetish/sex clubs, DJs, BASE Jumping, bridges, R31 Skylines.

Humphreys fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Jan 26, 2020

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Scionix posted:

yall are way braver than me if you're willing to daily a 911 lol

911's are well known as one of the best daily driver sports cars you can own.

They are way more forgiving than you think, I would rather daily a 911 over a Corvette all day long.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

ilkhan posted:

Internet sales have guess Fry's. Microcenter has kept up better, afaik, but Fry's is following the RadioShack model of a slow and painful death.

Even 6 months ago, a courier service I contract with regularly sent me to Fry's to pick up online orders and deliver them. Given the amount of stock they had, I'm guessing that's gone now.

everdave posted:

STR I know you needed it now but that price makes me cringe dawg, I regularly get 5-600 watt evgas on sale for 35-45 amazon. I’d say I’ve used over 100 easily the past 3-4 years and no one has come back to me for a replacement.

The exact same one is $58.54 on Amazon, $59.99 on Newegg, and I like Corsair power supplies. :shrug: I know they don't actually make them (much like EVGA doesn't make theirs), but IIRC it's a pretty respectable vendor making them (even the bottom of the line CX). I got 9 years out of a CX 500, and this one is modular.

I almost got a $45 500W EVGA, but I wanted modular cables this go-round. With 3 internal HDDs, 1 internal SSD, a DVD-RW, and multiple case fans, cable management is challenging. And I think 450 should be enough.

Somewhat Heroic
Oct 11, 2007

(Insert Mad Max related text)



Applebees Appetizer posted:

I would rather daily a 911 over a Corvette all day long.

:same: plus I’d hate to wear jorts and New Balance trainers every day.

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

InitialDave posted:

:siren: Paging Citroen BX fanboys :siren:

Just saw this, and all it said in the link was "Citroen BX"

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/citroen-bx/324052272537

Then I saw the boot badge and muttered "gently caress me". It's a 4x4 GTi. That's proper rocking horse poo poo territory now.

I didn't even know they did a 4x4 GTI, I'm going to keep an eye on that and try not to remember to check until after it sells because that's incredible.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

cakesmith handyman posted:

I didn't even know they did a 4x4 GTI, I'm going to keep an eye on that and try not to remember to check until after it sells because that's incredible.
Let me know if you're intending to bid on it, it'll save me from myself if nothing else.

Scionix
Oct 17, 2009

hoog emm xDDD

flat. flat six. yeah. meant that all along.

Applebees Appetizer posted:

911's are well known as one of the best daily driver sports cars you can own.

They are way more forgiving than you think, I would rather daily a 911 over a Corvette all day long.

today I learned :monocle:

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FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



rip kobe

dont go in helicopters folks

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