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TL posted:Austin turned heel to win the title at XVII, but the Texas crowd gave him a huge babyface reaction. poo poo. I always forget Austin turned heel at XVII. In addition, I was just looking at the X-7 Wikipedia page, and I'm not going to lie...that picture in the article a several paragraphs down captioned "The Rock makes his appearance at Wrestlemania X-7" is really, really creepy.
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crankdatbatman posted:poo poo. I always forget Austin turned heel at XVII. In addition, I was just looking at the X-7 Wikipedia page, and I'm not going to lie...that picture in the article a several paragraphs down captioned "The Rock makes his appearance at Wrestlemania X-7" is really, really creepy. OH GOD WHAT THE gently caress IS THAT 
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Real questions : 1. Where can I find that hilarious list of backstage WCW notes, from old Observer newsletters? 2. Why isn't Joe vs Angle at Lockdown considered one of the greatest matches of all time? (Serious question)
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SamuraiFoochs posted:OH GOD WHAT THE gently caress IS THAT Sting in his WWF debut.
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Tyma posted:2. Why isn't Joe vs Angle at Lockdown considered one of the greatest matches of all time? (Serious question) The MMA-lite one? It's a divisive match, some people really loved the way it was put together and think it's fantastic, others (like me, for example) were just left cold by the particular style they chose to go for and so the match didn't really have any real sense of impact (no pun intended).
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Tyma posted:Real questions : this one? http://board.deathvalleydriver.com/index.php?showtopic=294
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Meltzer posted:"It wasn't Bret Hart driving the monster truck nor was Sid in the car that was being run over, although both were the original plan. Hart was told what part of the car to drive over and where Sid would be in the car so as to not drive over him. Hart refused saying he wasn't an experienced stunt driver. There was no problem with his decision and he was apologized to for being asked" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 10, 2000. I love this one.
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Tyma posted:Why isn't Joe vs Angle at Lockdown considered one of the greatest matches of all time? (Serious question) I really liked the match, and it's one of the best matches in TNA history, but "one of the greatest matches of all time" is extraordinarily difficult to achieve.
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Have Scott Steiner and the Iron Sheik ever been in the same room together? Or would that cause a singularity to form and the universe to collapse or something?
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Feb 28, 2011 00:37
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IIRC the announcers were largely kept in the dark about most things, even before Russo. See: Heenan screaming WHOSE SIDE IS HE ON when Hogan comes out at BATB96
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It sort of depends on who you want to believe, I guess. According to Heenan and Tenay, Schiavone would get pretty much all the info from the writers/bookers and then keep it to himself because he believed that knowledge was power.
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MrBling posted:It sort of depends on who you want to believe, I guess. Wrestling Dilbert.
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Tyma posted:2. Why isn't Joe vs Angle at Lockdown considered one of the greatest matches of all time? (Serious question) Watching this now, I could really see a worked-MMA-style show being a great WWE alternative. Has nobody tried this yet?
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George Kaplan posted:Watching this now, I could really see a worked-MMA-style show being a great WWE alternative. Has nobody tried this yet?
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Tyma posted:2. Why isn't Joe vs Angle at Lockdown considered one of the greatest matches of all time? (Serious question) Probably because it doesn't even hit the top 50 of the best matches for the last decade.  It's definitely the most successful match in TNA history though.
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Whatever happened to that promotion that the Wilpon's were going to start up?
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Also did wrestlicious die yet.
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Fell through. Most people didn't think it would even get off the ground. And technically I don't think they're "dead" yet but I can't tell you when the last time they had a show was.
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heel turn posted:Whatever happened to that promotion that the Wilpon's were going to start up? It was probably never going to come to fruition, but Bernie Madoff happened.
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heel turn posted:Whatever happened to that promotion that the Wilpon's were going to start up? Seriously, check the Mets Fan Suicide Thread in SAS. The Wilpons had to borrow 25 million from MLB and they've exhausted the line of credit MLB extends to teams. I doubt they're sinking any major money into a wrestling start up.
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It was a different branch of the family than the one that owns the Mets. The Sean Davis Project promotion just kinda petered out, I don't know if it officially still exists or not.
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crankdatbatman posted:Is Wrestlemania 2000 the only WM to have a heel win the main event? If so, are there any other major PPVs that have such a history of heels/faces overwhelmingly winning in such a landslide fashion? I would imagine Survivor Series would be more heels winning, considering that would be a good time to build up to the Wrestlemania face win. Starrcade 1997 was a big cluster gently caress. The NWO(heels) dominated what was supposed to be WCW's revenge show, and what was possibly supposed to be one of the final nails in the NWO's coffin. Sure Sting won the main event, but only after Hogan pinned him clean and convincingly. Plus, Bret Hart suddenly had the power to reverse decisions and restart matches. Buff pinned the total parcel. Vincent and Norton pinned the goddamn Steiner brothers for christ's sake! Most of the actual talented wrestlers sat in the loving stands.
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That other promotion may have died before it started but the Urban Wrestling Federation will pick up the slack! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXxpWlJBUfI I like that they use lots of R-Truth footage in their promotional video. A wrestling fed run by non-wrestling rappers using talent they don't have signed in the promotional video. What could go wrong?
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Mr. Carlisle posted:That other promotion may have died before it started but the Urban Wrestling Federation will pick up the slack! Nothing says "hardcore" and "urban" like a fat, rich white dude in a suit & glasses sitting on a couch in an office explaining what "hardcore" and "urban" culture is all about.
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Ziggy Tsardust posted:It's fun watching late 2000/early 2001 and watching the product and trying to pinpoint the exact moment where they ran out of Chris Kreski's storyboards and had to start booking from scratch. Apart from the resolution of the HHH/Steph/Angle storyline, Steph's early run was alright. It was coherant and there was a lot of continuity. Still had some storyboards left over. But around the Two Man Power Trip vs. Hardyz feud, it all started getting really sloppy and slapdash. It always amazes me that when WWE decided that it wanted to be more like other TV shows and have Hollywood script writers they got a decent writer and he used the tools of the screenwriter including a show bible for continuity, storyboards and building to a peak to cap off a feud etc so they demote him, get in the bosses daughter, throw out all that stuff that the guy had introduced and decided that hiring people who don't give a poo poo about wrestling and taking away everything familiar to the writers about how to write in a group setting was the way to go since seriously, writing things down? gently caress that noise. Ether you adapt to the group writing process and use the methods developed for that environment or you stick to the booker method developed in Pro Wrestling. Can't have it both ways. Seriously, is it any wonder the writers don't do anything big outside of the main event? They're having enough trouble remembering the continuity for the main eventers alone, you give the mid card characters personality and stories and you've already got triple the history to remember in your head. If the mid card titles and the tag team titles were made to mean something then something like Wade Barrett and CM Punk standing next to each other in a tag match would look like nothing compared to the poo poo that they would forget. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Feb 28, 2011 |
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Mr. Carlisle posted:That other promotion may have died before it started but the Urban Wrestling Federation will pick up the slack! As soon as Uncle Murder started talking, I was sold. How do we tell them about Sir William Black?
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Kerck Pnameless posted:How do the ladder matches of other feds compare to WWE's? Because I tend to think of that match-type as their specialty. I didn't see it mentioned and I haven't watched it in years but Scott Hall vs. Chris Benoit back in WCW was a match I remembered loving. At one point people noticed that Hall was wearing his Razor Ramon elbow pads underneath his plain black ones that lead to a ton of speculation in the IWC of the idea of Hall going back to the WWF then.
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Lone Rogue posted:I didn't see it mentioned and I haven't watched it in years but Scott Hall vs. Chris Benoit back in WCW was a match I remembered loving. At one point people noticed that Hall was wearing his Razor Ramon elbow pads underneath his plain black ones that lead to a ton of speculation in the IWC of the idea of Hall going back to the WWF then. Are you thinking of Scott Hall vs Goldberg? Benoit and Hall never had a ladder match.
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LividLiquid posted:TNA did it for their main-event feud of their second-biggest show of the year. It led to the biggest buyrate they've ever done. They dropped the style completely and never did it again.
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Just watched Backlash 2004 (awwwwwwk-ward!), led me to a couple of questions. What went wrong with Shelton Benjamin? Dude was great in the ring, had a great persona that came across without saying a word, and he was actually getting a decent push at one point. Where did it go wrong? What was the deal with Coach? He has a match against Tajiri and actually does some wrestling stuff. Were they trying to turn him into a full on wrestler? With hindsight, how good is the Foley/Orton match considered to be?
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George Kaplan posted:Watching this now, I could really see a worked-MMA-style show being a great WWE alternative. Has nobody tried this yet? isn't this basically what EVOLVE is?
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Rarity posted:What went wrong with Shelton Benjamin? Dude was great in the ring, had a great persona that came across without saying a word, and he was actually getting a decent push at one point. Where did it go wrong? They turned him heel. Rarity posted:What was the deal with Coach? He has a match against Tajiri and actually does some wrestling stuff. Were they trying to turn him into a full on wrestler? This might have been around the point where he was assistant to the GM and he'd have more matches against Batista and was in the Royal Rumble. WWE wanted Coach to originally face Austin and win their feud. Rarity posted:With hindsight, how good is the Foley/Orton match considered to be? It was Orton's favorite match if that means anything.
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Rarity posted:What went wrong with Shelton Benjamin? Dude was great in the ring, had a great persona that came across without saying a word, and he was actually getting a decent push at one point. Where did it go wrong? Thirdly he thought that maybe his reluctance to politic may have held him down as he was never one to lobby for himself he just showed up, did what he was told and did the best he could do in the ring when sometimes it seems like a necessity in the WWE. I'm sure the Momma angle didn't help his credibility either.
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Whatever happened to managers? I know we see occasional non-wrestler characters like Vickie (and Ricardo, although I'm sure we'll see him in the ring fulltime sooner or later), but some of my favourite wrestling characters from the past weren't fulltime wrestlers at all. Jimmy Hart, Bill Alfonso, Dieter Von Steigerwalt in Chikara, Paul Bearer, Bobby Heenan, people who could get a reaction and talk up an angle for a wrestler who wasn't articulate enough to do it for themselves. There's a ton of guys with considerable in-ring talent who I think could hugely benefit from someone to take the brunt of the promo work. Is there a reason managers don't seem to be used as much in modern wrestling?
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Lamuella posted:Is there a reason managers don't seem to be used as much in modern wrestling? Wrestlers in TNA and WWE are expected to be able to talk for themselves. jeffersonlives posted:It was a different branch of the family than the one that owns the Mets. The Sean Davis Project promotion just kinda petered out, I don't know if it officially still exists or not. It's dead, they've passed by the launch date promised to the talent with no word. Someone asked Meltzer on Observer Radio why the wrestlers don't sue for breach of contract and his answer was basically "because it's wrestling." LightsGameraAction posted:Nothing says "hardcore" and "urban" like a fat, rich white dude in a suit & glasses sitting on a couch in an office explaining what "hardcore" and "urban" culture is all about. Isn't that pretty accurate to how the business end of hip hop works?
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MassRayPer posted:Are you thinking of Scott Hall vs Goldberg? Benoit and Hall never had a ladder match. For some reason I always thought Hall and Benoit had a Ladder Match after the "Guys who wash your car" comment from Hall to Ric Flair. I guess my memory is busted. I somehow remember a Hall/Benoit match that never existed. I guess Hall and Bam Bam had a ladder/taser match. Paper Jam Dipper fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Feb 28, 2011 |
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Lamuella posted:Dieter Von Steigerwalt in Chikara Dieter rarely made appearances, and when he did, he didn't talk much. The most "talking" he did was in the blogs that Chikara posts on its website, and a lot of the time, there's debate about whether the wrestlers in question actually wrote them. Now, Jakob Hammermeier, the hilariously entertaining, easily injured German ring announcer in Chikara, on the other hand. He was basically the inspiration for Ricardo Rodriguez, and like Ricardo, he is awesome.
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Jay 2K Winger posted:Dieter rarely made appearances, and when he did, he didn't talk much. The most "talking" he did was in the blogs that Chikara posts on its website, and a lot of the time, there's debate about whether the wrestlers in question actually wrote them. I was confusing the two of them. I feel like a prat.
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