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Shats Basoon posted:Posted by a libertarian on another board I frequent in response to me commenting on his post with "great, waiting forward to the next post where you tell me taxation is theft" because ISIL is not recognized as a legitimate state? Like, that's it, pretty much?
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Shats Basoon posted:Posted by a libertarian on another board I frequent in response to me commenting on his post with "great, waiting forward to the next post where you tell me taxation is theft" I mean, on the one hand, he's not wrong. Modern polities absolutely evolved from warlords extorting people. On the other hand, that doesn't matter, and we have to judge modern countries based on what they actually do, rather than what their prehistoric ancestors may have done. There's an obvious difference between my elected representative voting to tax me at an explicit rate, with my ability to vote him out of office or fight it in court if necessary, and which goes to pay for an unfathomable array of services that I take for granted; vs. a group like ISIS taking my money with no recourse on my part and then using it to blow up shrines and kill me. Libertarians would really like it if you consider those the same thing though.
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Feb 5, 2016 23:40
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Also if like, a warlord extorted people for money and then used the money to set up communal services which demonstrably benefit his tribe, that would be good also. Basically there isn't actually something wrong with taking money by force from people who can afford it to improve the living conditions of those who have little and of society as a whole. Rather than disputing the logic of the libertarian viewpoint I can just disagree with its basic premise.
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Feb 5, 2016 23:53
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Shats Basoon posted:Posted by a libertarian on another board I frequent in response to me commenting on his post with "great, waiting forward to the next post where you tell me taxation is theft" Something something Bill of Rights, something something consent of the governed
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Feb 5, 2016 23:57
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E: i should mention, i literally just copy pasta'd Nolamar's post. This guy is way to exhausting to have a discussion with. Consider this a lame troll attempt at him Won't do that anymore if thats not cool.quote:Well, taxpayers don't have standing to sue in court, and your representative is 1 out of 535. What if he opposed it? Shats Basoon fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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Feb 6, 2016 00:02
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Now I'm imagining my city council as a bunch of warlords and I'm pretty sure the skill set for good warlord is the exact opposite of good elected representative.Shats Basoon posted:E: i should mention, i literally just copy pasta'd Nolamar's post. This guy is way to exhausting to have a discussion with. Consider this a lame troll attempt at him Won't do that anymore if thats not cool. The point of collective representation is the same point as not having fifedoms and kings so one idiot can't ruin things for everyone.
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"If you object to the inertia of power as held by those who own the means of production, have you considered communism?"
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Shats Basoon posted:E: i should mention, i literally just copy pasta'd Nolamar's post. This guy is way to exhausting to have a discussion with. Consider this a lame troll attempt at him Won't do that anymore if thats not cool. I'm just happy when people like what I write  But yeah, OwlFancer has it right. He's at the point of bitching that you aren't represented because other people also get a say in democracy, so he's too far gone to reason with. Agree with him about the oppressiveness of the capitalist system and start linking Jacobin articles.
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Feb 6, 2016 00:12
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Nolanar posted:I'm just happy when people like what I write You're a good person, Nolaner, and people say good things about you. People also say bad things about you, though, so I don't know who to trust. Probably best not to think about it.
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Shats Basoon posted:E: i should mention, i literally just copy pasta'd Nolamar's post. This guy is way to exhausting to have a discussion with. Consider this a lame troll attempt at him Won't do that anymore if thats not cool. "But why can't I, personally, pay less taxes?  "Sure he names legit problems but because he, by himself, can't quickly and efficiently change them through the system, throw the entire thing out. I wonder what his response is to the prospect armed groups will demand monetary tribute at gunpoint anyway even in Libertopia.
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Feb 6, 2016 01:25
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I wonder what his response is to the prospect armed groups will demand monetary tribute at gunpoint anyway even in Libertopia. Look at how he deals with the idea of not being the sole vote in congressional elections, and extrapolate. He thinks he'll be the guy with the gun.
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Feb 6, 2016 01:35
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Nobody is gonna violate the NAP guys, it isn't logical to.
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Feb 6, 2016 01:48
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I will violate the nap by banging trashcan lids really loudly on the street I own that goes by everyone's house.
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Feb 6, 2016 03:12
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I will violate NAP by getting jrode to suck mah crip blood purple drank swigging big black dick until he answers my question.
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Feb 6, 2016 03:16
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Should I seriously get the summon Jrode card out again?
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Feb 6, 2016 04:35
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Crowsbeak posted:Should I seriously get the summon Jrode card out again? He's been sorta-responding in the other thread recently, if you care to try your luck there. I had some luck doing the one thing he can't resist replying to: pointing out the disturbing tendency of libertarianism and white supremacy to walk hand in hand.
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Feb 6, 2016 05:13
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This is what happens when you post in this thread:
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Feb 7, 2016 05:37
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We need more communism! MORE drat YOU
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Feb 7, 2016 05:46
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Always always browse libertarian stuff in private mode. One unprotected Molyneaux video will wreck your youtube recommendations for months.
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Feb 7, 2016 14:53
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Nolanar posted:Always always browse libertarian stuff in private mode. One unprotected Molyneaux video will wreck your youtube recommendations for months. This. I also watched a Thunderf00t video to see what was going on during the whole gamergate shitstorm and now my Youtube is STILL flooding me with recommendations of Sargon of Akkad and other bipedal vermin.
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Sephyr posted:This. I also watched a Thunderf00t video to see what was going on during the whole gamergate shitstorm and now my Youtube is STILL flooding me with recommendations of Sargon of Akkad and other bipedal vermin. 
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Feb 7, 2016 15:08
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SedanChair posted:This is what happens when you post in this thread: Titan is actually good, imo.
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Sephyr posted:This. I also watched a Thunderf00t video to see what was going on during the whole gamergate shitstorm and now my Youtube is STILL flooding me with recommendations of Sargon of Akkad and other bipedal vermin. Hell, just watch any femfreq video and don't remember to click away before it autoplays some garbo nerd afterward.
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Feb 7, 2016 18:21
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Nolanar posted:Always always browse libertarian stuff in private mode. One unprotected Molyneaux video will wreck your youtube recommendations for months. It's... Almost like loving without a condom.  Oh well, I guess condoms violate NAP somehow anyways.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:It's... Almost like loving without a condom. it's... almost like injecting bleach into your veins with a used needle
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Shats Basoon posted:Posted by a libertarian on another board I frequent in response to me commenting on his post with "great, waiting forward to the next post where you tell me taxation is theft" Nolanar posted:I mean, on the one hand, he's not wrong. Modern polities absolutely evolved from warlords extorting people. On the other hand, that doesn't matter, and we have to judge modern countries based on what they actually do, rather than what their prehistoric ancestors may have done. To a libertarian, these are totally the same thing.  Shats Basoon posted:E: i should mention, i literally just copy pasta'd Nolamar's post. This guy is way to exhausting to have a discussion with. Consider this a lame troll attempt at him Won't do that anymore if thats not cool. quote:The Iraqi with an AK47 under his bed has more control over his government than you do at the ballot box. It really is amazing that libertarians don't realize just how drat cushy their life is compared to most of the Middle East, and how they take the relative safety of their life completely for granted. If they call 911 for Fire/EMS/Police, those services will arrive generally pretty quickly. They probably don't even think about this, it's just something that happens like magic, not a public service. That is most definitely not the case in Iraq and Lebanon, hell Lebanon has terrible problems with something as basic as loving trash pickup of all things: http://yalibnan.com/2015/08/03/lebanons-garbage-crisis-worsens-amid-rising-heat-anger/ What's the libertarian solution to this? fade5 fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Feb 8, 2016 |
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Also see: "Somalia, the one place on earth that's doing it right"
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Feb 8, 2016 01:00
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Nice burn on this week's Shameless: "You should read it (Atlas Shrugged). She's (Ayn Rand's) got some interesting things to say." "Yeah, no thanks. Every Libertarian was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple."
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fade5 posted:It's almost hilarious how much libertarians conflate things. Refusing to pay taxes in the US will eventually get you fines, warrants, and if you're really stubborn, jail time. Refusing to pay taxes in ISIL territory will get you murdered and your mangled corpse put on display in the street as an example. But if you resist when they show up to take you to jail, they'll shoot you, just because you're shooting at them. Ergo proctor, vis a vis, natural rights, lorem ipsum, holding me at gunpoint! Checkmate, statist (I am so glad that Google doesn't think statist is a word.)
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I still really don't see the problem with pointing guns at people to make them not be dickheads. That's what guns are for, one of precious few sensible uses for weaponry, defence against dickheads.
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Mornacale posted:Hell, just watch any femfreq video and don't remember to click away before it autoplays some garbo nerd afterward. The shitlords appear in your recommendation whether or not you let something autoplay. Just watching an Anita Sarkeesian video means you end up being bombarded with shitlords "responding" to her.
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QuarkJets posted:Okay realtalk now, is Harry Potter more libertarian than Lord of the Rings, or less? Voldemort is basically a John Galt figure trying to crush the state, and he almost succeeds if not for the NAP-violating ivory tower statists at Hogwarts. Sauron is basically just a dude trying to recover his stolen jewelry and he only sends out an army when some statists show up to challenge his property rights. Between the two I feel like LOTR is probably more representative of libertarian society, ergo ipso facto it's the better series QuarkJets posted:Pizza but only if you order an extra large and consume it by yourself while watching TNG 
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Halloween Jack posted:Voldemort is only trying to crush the state so that he can install a race-based aristocracy and satisfy his psychopathic whims, so yes, definitely a libertarian. If you were truly libertarian heroes you wouldn't have actually fought anyone, instead you would have lectured them for seven straight hours about the superiority of your beliefs and they either would have joined you or died to a man by getting eaten by a dragon.
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Feb 8, 2016 20:53
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When's the next Goon podcast gonna be up? The last two were really entertaining.
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Mr Interweb posted:When's the next Goon podcast gonna be up? The last two were really entertaining. Once paragon posts it
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I watched "The Business of Being Born" today and I want to punch Jrod in the loving face because of what insurance companies have done to mothers in the U.S.
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Feb 10, 2016 02:38
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Please stop mentioning weregild when jrod's around I can't stop myself from making kodp posts 
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theshim posted:Please stop mentioning weregild when jrod's around I can't stop myself from making kodp posts Why would you stop yourself? gently caress it, just hijack the thread and turn it into a KoDP Let's Play where the thread collectively rules the tribe like libertarians would.
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theshim posted:Please stop mentioning weregild when jrod's around I can't stop myself from making kodp posts You're not asking us to be...altruistic, are you?!
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Literally The Worst posted:Once paragon posts it i meant to work on it last weekend but real life got in the way. Should be sometime this...uh...month.
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