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zedprime posted:Ben Franklin published his cave dwelling dwarf friend's abolitionist pamphlet which makes him basically even. born undersized, live in a cave breaking the chains is all that I crave
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3D Megadoodoo posted:A decent person has never owned a person. Grant owned a slave for little longer than it took to free said slave. (His in-laws gifted him a slave, which Grant quickly granted freedom). Yeah, doesn't really refute anything you said, I just like Grant.
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Soul Dentist posted:Wow that's rough, but he plays a pretty tight bass line tho I mean, dying choking on your own vomit in a Paris apartment sounds pretty on brand for a 70s rockstar. And I guess the same would go for, uh, some of the other things mentioned also. 
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PharmerBoy posted:Grant owned a slave for little longer than it took to free said slave. (His in-laws gifted him a slave, which Grant quickly granted freedom). Suddenly his in-laws were blowing up his phone, saying he was an rear end in a top hat. What do you think? AITA?
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Honestly trying to apply modern standards of decency and/or morality to anyone born before 1950 is kind of dumb and the further back in time you go the dumber the attempt becomes
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drrockso20 posted:Honestly trying to apply modern standards of decency and/or morality to anyone born before 1950 is kind of dumb and the further back in time you go the dumber the attempt becomes Idk, can you hold anyone to any standard of decency at all? Look at all the racists who approve of slavery irl right now (prison labor etc): is that not a mainstream belief, therefore how can we judge them for holding it?
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drrockso20 posted:Honestly trying to apply modern standards of decency and/or morality to anyone born before 1950 is kind of dumb and the further back in time you go the dumber the attempt becomes John Brown (and a lot of other abolitionists) existed though so everyone could’ve done better.
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InediblePenguin posted:Idk, can you hold anyone to any standard of decency at all? Look at all the racists who approve of slavery irl right now (prison labor etc): is that not a mainstream belief, therefore how can we judge them for holding it? Yes you can, my stance is more a matter of practicality than anything, it's just too exhausting to bother trying to hold all of human history up to exacting modern standards, but little Jimmy Skinhead of Huntington Beach being a racist shithead is someone I can get behind mocking(and maybe pummeling with a tire iron if the opportunity comes up)
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Sure, we all have to draw our own lines. My own feelings are that there were active, open abolitionists throughout the entire period of modern Western chattel slavery and it's fair to judge people for owning people even in 1793 because plenty of their contemporaries were telling them they were wrong and they chose profit anyway
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3D Megadoodoo posted:A decent person has never owned a person. Except for all of the posters who have owned you
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drrockso20 posted:Honestly trying to apply modern standards of decency and/or morality to anyone born before 1950 is kind of dumb and the further back in time you go the dumber the attempt becomes Even back then there were people that knew and understood that slavery was wrong. There have always been people that understood that
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christmas boots posted:Even back then there were people that knew and understood that slavery was wrong. There have always been people that understood that Technically most of them didn't count as people
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3D Megadoodoo posted:A decent person has never owned a person. Grant was given a person by his in-laws. Prior to this he had been working alongside and with his in-laws slaves on their property. In real poverty, selling firewood so his family can eat poverty, he frees that slave.
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drrockso20 posted:Honestly trying to apply modern standards of decency and/or morality to anyone born before 1950 is kind of dumb and the further back in time you go the dumber the attempt becomes Before 1950, good people generally did not know how to read or write. There is a reason historical uprisings have generally included the widespread destruction of documents.
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Whooping Crabs posted:Except for all of the posters who have owned you Snap.
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St. Kilda is also the source of one of the oldest breeds of sheep in the world, the Soay sheep!
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Brawnfire posted:Welp, guess I'm booting up Sid Meier's Pirates! That game has one of my favourite anachronisms in it. One of the things that the game draws from for random ship names is major cities from the country the ship is sailing for. You can encounter a Dutch ship named Lelystad, the provincial capitol of Flevoland, the province that got created in the twentieth century by draining parts of an inland sea. The city of Lelystad wasn't incorporated until 1967.
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Re: civil war talk I'm fond of Brennan Lee Mulligans take on the confederate soldier who has had some time to think (posting from my phone so apologies if I gently caress up embedding this) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAZJVkelgcg
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:ok fair enough This is the John Adams that had people imprisoned for questioning the great President John Adams, right?
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just lmao if you're still trying to make the "well you can't really judge them by modern standards" argument about fuckin chattel slavery there were people back then who knew that slavery and genocide and racism were wrong, people like the aforementioned John "the crimes of this guilty land shall not be purged except by blood" Brown relativism was developed as an academic framework to analyze historical societies within a contemporary context and absolute fuckin dweebs on the internet turned it into "well actually you can't judge people for doing things that we now know are bad" like homie yes tf we can, that's what progress is
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venus de lmao posted:just lmao if you're still trying to make the "well you can't really judge them by modern standards" argument about fuckin chattel slavery Nieuw Amsterdam posted:This is the John Adams that had people imprisoned for questioning the great President John Adams, right?
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venus de lmao posted:there were people back then who knew that slavery and genocide and racism were wrong, people like the aforementioned John "the crimes of this guilty land shall not be purged except by blood" Brown The slaves were presumably pretty vocal about it too I'm guessing
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Nessus posted:At a certain point it kind of shades into "everyone born before a certain date, with certain saintly exceptions, was a wretched bigot and despicable monster," which I don't think is a very useful way to look at history, even on a casual/fun-facts basis.
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I'm sorry bros but these pyramids gotta get built
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venus de lmao posted:just lmao if you're still trying to make the "well you can't really judge them by modern standards" argument about fuckin chattel slavery I didn't say you can't judge them, just that it's too exhausting to do that all the time for all of history Nessus posted:At a certain point it kind of shades into "everyone born before a certain date, with certain saintly exceptions, was a wretched bigot and despicable monster," which I don't think is a very useful way to look at history, even on a casual/fun-facts basis. Exactly
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I mean in the end they are dead so judge them, don’t it honestly doesn’t matter. Unless you want to Cadaver Synod them I suppose
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Both John Adams and Alexander Hamilton would be forums mods
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean in the end they are dead so judge them, don’t it honestly doesn’t matter. The Diet of Worms
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drrockso20 posted:I didn't say you can't judge them, just that it's too exhausting to do that all the time for all of history
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Stop it with the moral relativism or take it to D&D or something.
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Soul Dentist posted:I'm sorry bros but these pyramids gotta get built The pyramids weren't built by slaves
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Barry Foster posted:The pyramids weren't built by slaves Duh, you can't enslave aliens, they would just fly away.
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christmas boots posted:Even back then there were people that knew and understood that slavery was wrong. There have always been people that understood that You can go even further back in time. There's accounts from monks in 870 who were appalled by the viking slave trade and spent all their money trying to buy the slaves' freedom back. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Barry Foster posted:The pyramids weren't built by slaves Not the ancient ones, now get to work!
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Barry Foster posted:The pyramids weren't built by slaves Think you fell for a pretty obvious troll there. It's almost a meme at this point that the pyramids weren't built by slaves. yes we all know it's aliens obviously
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wheatpuppy posted:Duh, you can't enslave aliens, they would just fly away. You don't enslave the aliens, the aliens enslave you. Haven't you watched Stargate?
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Kassad posted:You don't enslave the aliens, the aliens enslave you. Haven't you watched Stargate? *Stargåte
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3D Megadoodoo posted:*Stargåte 
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